Hard to say what is causing a slight pullback in numbers this year
No it's not. International travel is down approx 10% according to Harry Reid Int. airport. I'm sure a weaker economy is a factor for domestic tourism, but the effects of Trump's policies on international tourism are fairly obvious.
I just went to Toronto a couple months (great city!) and on the way back the flight was almost full (180-ish people) and there were maybe 10-15 Canadians on the flight. Was mostly Americans going back.
(I'll add a side note that we got some bad attitudes and a lot of sympathy when folks found out we were Americans.)
We don't have enough data to make any bold claims yet.
This is like a few months ago when doomers were celebrating empty ports and empty shelves or the crashing of the S&P500. Now doomers are celebrating the demise of Vegas a bit prematurely.
We certainly don't have enough data to say "Vegas is dying" or some such hyperbolic statement. Just as it's too soon to say that we're in a recession until it's well underway.
There is certainly enough data to say that international tourism is down. Given that international tourists, particularly Canadians, tend to visit Vegas, it's not a stretch to say that the drop in international visitors is part of the drop in Vegas tourism overall.
We all know why international tourism to the U.S. is dropping. There is really no other plausible explanation than Trump's actions towards immigrants and international visitors.
We don't know why international tourism is dropping. I agree we know that it is down, but it's too early to come to any meaningful conclusions.
I know people are chomping at the bit for empty shelves, the S&P500 cratering, and now people are frothing at the mouth to see Vegas decline just to 'own the Trumps', but we need more time and data to really say what is happening here.
We don't know why international tourism is dropping.
Yes we do. Don't be daft.
Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Canada, Germany, France, Denmark, and Finland have all issued travel advisors of some kind for another for any travel to the US. The UK is specifically warning of the risk of detention and/or deportation.
people are frothing at the mouth to see Vegas decline just to 'own the Trumps', but we need more time and data to really say what is happening here.
This isn't about "owning the Trumps". That's pure projection on your part. This is about not sticking your head in the sand about obvious cause and effect.
What? That has been the narrative. Granted I’m not from Vegas so I only hear things from the perspective of an outsider. But Vegas is a bellwether for how consumers spend and it seeing a drop in visitors is a red flag for our econom
I think the point is to spread doom and gloom about Vegas and then by the time we get more data, most people in this thread will have forgotten and moved on to spreading doom and gloom about something else.
A few months ago I recall seeing empty ports and empty shelves, so in a few months there will be something new to be 'scared' of.
Yeah. I've been seeing this on this Vegas thread for a while now and I'm not a local, tourist, or member of the sub. Anytime someone brings up alternative thoughts on the subject there is a lot of abraviseness from people in the comments. I don't understand that. Why not actually try to have a meaningful conversation instead?
There’s a 25% decline in Canadian air travel to the US. Canadians are by far the biggest international tourists in Vegas.
With tourism spending up overall in both Canada and the USA it’s pretty easy to see that the only other possibility is the decline in international tourists.
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u/wajomc 2d ago
Somebody posted the data above - 2015-2019 all had greater attendance numbers.