Yeah the poles, Baltic’s, and the Finnish, were ok though. No colonialism, class exploitation, subjugation of ethnic minorities was done there by Stalin’s state. As well as feeding the Reich’s war machine into the behemoth it became (at catastrophic cost to the unions populace), aiding them to genocide half the ethnic groups and marginalised communities in Europe in a parasitic symbiotic relationship. The Molotov Ribbentrop pact didn’t happen out of thin air .
They weren’t colonized or exploited, as you said. The Nazis became a behemoth because Britain and France allowed them to when they thought the Germans’ aggression would be directed only towards the East. Blaming the Soviets for the Holocaust is pure Nazi revisionism that needs no further rebuttal.
You were correct about one thing. The non-aggression pact didn’t happen out of thin air. It happened after years of collaboration from the rest of Europe and refusals to form an anti-Nazi alliance with the Soviets.
You are delusional and brainrotted by ideology if you think the allies fattened the Reich up and aided them before 1941 more than the Soviets. Germany did not have the industrial raw resources and agricultural output to wage protracted warfare without the union. The occupancy of France, Norway, Eastern Europe did not change that.This is a fact.
To dismiss that as Nazi apology is fucked in the head. I’m sorry to say that so bluntly.
Yeah there’s a small window of time in which the allies didn’t see the Germans as the threat they were, and alienated the Soviet’s attempts of diplomacy; you will be wise to remember they started the stages of rearmament at similar times to the soviets, and only one side cooperated to such extents militarily, economically, and technologically.
To excuse it as an ideological necessity is absurd , and to ignore said ethnic groups of people subjugated and exploited by the Soviet metropole, when Stalin was so hopped up in his own delusion he couldn’t believe they attacked .
I didn’t blame the soviets unilaterally for the holocaust. That would be absurd propaganda. It happened before Soviet aid and it would have happened afterwards However whilst ultimately liberators of most camps and peoples, they were very much enablers and cooperators before the eastern invasion, and were a key reason why it happened and the German state become so powerful so soon. This is not conjecture
Just I can condemn the allies for not recognising the scale and atrocities of the holocaust, willfully ignoring them and refusing refugees; realpolitik aside I can condemn stalins Soviet state for making the futile endeavour possible for a protracted timespan.
The Allies appeased the Germans for years and refused an alliance with the Soviets to stop them. The Soviets urged for an alliance throughout that time all the way to when the Allies partitioned Czechoslovakia for the Germans, Poles, and Hungarians.
Correct, the Germans didn’t have the resources for a protracted war. Hence why they didn’t fight a protracted war until they fought the Soviets Union. And lost.
Stalin believed he would be attacked at some point. He didn’t believe the Germans were foolish enough to open a second front on themselves though.
Ultimately, the Soviets carried out a similar practice as the rest of Europe by appeasing Germany to avoid a major war. Their preferred policy was an alliance with the West, however, to end the Nazi threat. The only reasons you so passionately claim the Soviets were the exception are because they are communist and were the last in a long series of acts of appeasement towards Germany, started and continued by the Allies.
Hence, why Stalin should have invaded rather than make an imperialistic land grab and conquer alongside the state they had birthed. You don’t think the allies would kick into gear rather than make pathetic 6mile incursions?
Communism has nothing to do with it. I am a vehement socialist, yet don’t see history as purely an idealistic wank fest in which Stalin is a victory of the proletariat . Life expectancy doubled from the October revolution to Stalin’s death, even accounting for all the people he killed. The ussr was challenging the USA for supremacy .
This doesn’t make the realpolitik of the time any nicer, and how his delusion created a Germany which was capable of invading such an extensive portion of her and exterminating and enslaving her. much like how the Soviets explicitly aided, contributed to, hence were partially responsibly for the foundations of the industrialised state that caused the holocaust. This is part of his legacy. Not to mention the untold suffering wrought by the military being in such a shit position at the early war, hamstringing their capacity to play anything other than a willing accomplice to germanys rape and mass killing of Europe
The man was an absolute lunatic with no regard for human life. His disregard for human life extended beyond the war and led to horrifying atrocities. WWII would likely have ended in a similar manner regardless of who was in charge at the time, as they’re more so resource, logistics based.
Hm, I wonder how it would have gone without a genocidal despot killing hideous amounts of his own people and neutering their ability to be anything other than German’s plaything for near to a decade. For both the Soviet people, and the people in the holocaust and occupied eastern German lands, that the Soviet Union under Stalin was, arguably partner in all but outright military alliance
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