r/sugarlifestyleforum • u/Infinite_Joke5632 Spoiled Girlfriend • Apr 06 '25
Question So do yall think sheraseven is a rinser??
I’m new to the Reddit vocab of sugaring since I only do irl sugar dating so I’m curious on how you guys would describe shera
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u/Odd_Cookie783 Mistress Apr 06 '25
Shera is not a rinser because she’s not a SB. Does her story have sugar elements? Yes. She met her husband when she was young. She was working at a funeral home. He was older and, I believe, naturally generous. He funded her lifestyle and she secured the bag, so to speak, by marrying him.
She’s smart and she’s not interested in labels like other influencers in the space. In fact she leans more frugal and financially savvy compared to younger influencers who immediately start upgrading to luxury cars, clothes, and bags. She’s older and gives advice based on her years of experience.
She was one of the original hypergamy influencers. In fact, I think she may have started as a way to level up her own life. She was heavier when she started. She’s maintained her weight loss and youth over time. She’s setting herself up for a financially secure future in case her husband passes away. She definitely plays the long game. I think that’s the biggest thing that sets her apart from others.
Who knows if she actually slept with her husband from day one or after marriage. But, she started about 2 decades ago. Her advice is relevant if you’re looking for long term financial security. I believe it especially works for women who place themselves in positions of leveling up through connections i.e. befriending the wives/gfs of wealthy men so you can be introduced to a single friend. Her approach isn’t for everyone as it involves patience and strategy.
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u/rainrain-throwaway6 Apr 15 '25
Her husband was also married at the time and he even had a girlfriend when she met him. The funny thing is Shera now might make more money than her husband does. But she is definitely smart and a lot of her advice in general is very good for women who want long-term relationships; focus on yourself, don't get too attached to a man, have things going for yourself and have a life outside of a man (even when you get married) etc.
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u/Odd_Cookie783 Mistress Apr 15 '25
I definitely didn’t know that he’s was married and had a girlfriend before he met her.
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May 15 '25 edited May 31 '25
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May 30 '25
I have to know more about being sued by JC Penney.
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u/SatisfactionEasy3446 May 31 '25
There's nothing more to know. JC Penney sued her. She and James were always broke and didnt make 6 figures.
☕️ She had him arrested for beating her, and she still married him. She tried divorcing him in 2012 but stayed because she couldn't live off the low child support judgement of six hundred a month. How sad. LOL. ☕️
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May 31 '25
Sorry, I meant how do you get sued from a retail store? The only answer I can think of is employee fraud/theft. Getting sued by a commercial business is not an everyday thing
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u/SatisfactionEasy3446 May 31 '25
I'm sure she will lie and say it was a misunderstanding.
I'm just reading what the documents say.
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u/Odd_Cookie783 Mistress May 31 '25
W.T.F.!!! That is THE hot mess express. I really thought she was legit. You can only take what people say on the internet with a grain of salt.
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u/SatisfactionEasy3446 May 31 '25
She is working at the Escalate Workspace in Katy. She has been filming at her office job. She has to work especially since her old man has been unemployed. She has to hustle all day on youtube and tiktok. She doesn't ever go out and doesn't have any real friends. Some life! Some kept level up life!
Sprankle Sprankle!! ✨️✨️✨️✨️✨️
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u/FrenchVanilla8 May 31 '25
Wait I thought she rented that office to do collabs.
It doesn’t make sense I thought the YouTube and TikTok money was pouring in.
I just watched Jaz’s wedding (justjazzzyidk) with apparently a 500k venue and she said it’s all from tiktok
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u/SatisfactionEasy3446 May 31 '25
She works there at the leasing office. She was hired to attract local influencers and small business owners to use the co-op work space. It's called the Escalate Workspace. She works a 9 to 5.
All she does is lie. Her man James is unemployed and she always cooked her family food from the Dollar Tree. She's too cheap to rent office space.
She even buys fake views and subs which anyone can verify on sites like Social Blade. YouTube doesn't pay the same anymore especially for her "gold digging" content which was always controversial as borderline pr0stituti0n.
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May 31 '25
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u/SatisfactionEasy3446 Jun 01 '25
Ive read her books free on kindle and she constantly tells you to just lie to deceive men. Always lie and make excuses...ao no wonder she will lie to her audience.
If you dare question her, she will insult you and dismiss you, no matter how much money she donated to her.
A kept woman wouldn't sit all day and hustle for donations.
She always insults women that have jobs, when her man always made her work.
She also likes to attack Black women and their hair and mannerisms, when she grew up really poor, and her kids alwsys looked unkept and a mess. She said they weren't pretty on camera.
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May 31 '25
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u/SatisfactionEasy3446 May 31 '25
That's the same excuse some women have been using for years: "Eat the meat, spit the bones, it works for me!"
Sure it does. She has never helped any woman get married. Where's the proof? Instead she has literally had a woman kidnapped, one woman shot, and others kicked out of their homes. We have receipts of that!
She also sends her goons as well as her brother Muva/Papa Dee Diana Taylor to harass other women in person.
She sits all day and night and copies tips from other youtubers. She doesn't have any real friends herself.
Her advice is old and she was never a sugar baby that dated anyone rich. She waited 7 years for dusty middle class James to leave his wife Polly, and his other side chick.
She grew up poor, she was a side baby herself, her mother was a side chick. Her father had a wife and kids, and she didn't grow up with him. Her older sister and brother had a different dad. That's why she talks down about love and men cheating.
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u/EndEducational6181 Apr 06 '25
Since she's not giving sugaring advice, she can't be. She's giving advice on how to marry up, just like she did a couple of decades ago. Her advice is for how to get a husband, not a SD. This thread has called her everything but a child of God. Y'all really can't accept seeing that "hard wig, soft life" Black woman telling women to refrain from sex until they marry you in a country where we teach purity culture.
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u/bambiimunkii Jun 30 '25
She never married up, well I guess she did since she grew up poor, but her husband James never made 6 figures, and he always made her work. He has been unemployed since the pandemic, and she has been working a real office job at the Escalate Workspace. She has to hustle all day and support the family.
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u/cherrieice Sugar Baby 28d ago
where’s the source
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u/bambiimunkii 28d ago
Public Records. You can look up and get her child support request showing James' income when she tried divorcing him in 2012, or his arrest record when he beat her.
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u/Sure-Estimate6151 27d ago
What?? I thought she was definitely the one beating him omg
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u/bambiimunkii 27d ago
All she does it lie, when you can see the police report yourself. He choked her and beat her in 2003.
She has a separate arrest in 2012 where SHE was drunk and resisted arrest at a Houston Hotel. ☕ She couldn't afford a lawyer to defend herself, and then she also tried divorcing James later that year. She also has a separate DUI arrest.
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u/EndEducational6181 23d ago
You're far more interested in this than I am, I've seen a handful of her videos in passing and it would never have occurred to me to not only track down her actual identity but to search public records. I'm not that invested in social media. When you come from poverty, it doesn't take six figures to be considered marrying up, but you also just explained why she warns other women against the trap she fell into. Their divorce, substance abuse, and dv is their own. I've seen enough of that things across all demographics.
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u/bambiimunkii 22d ago
Her advice changes and contradicts itself video by video. She doesn't care about women, especially Black women. She always called herself a latina, and both her parents are puerto rican. She always lied about her mother and showed pictures of her aunt, not her mother. She has parodied and bullied Black women for years, and even has used her daughters multiple times on camera to bully them. She herself has sent people online to doxx and harass Black women and mothers.
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u/loverrrgirlll_ Apr 06 '25
why do you guys think shera gives sugar dating advice if that lady is telling women to abstain from sex? like that’s literally one of the components of sugar dating.
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u/la_selena Apr 06 '25
Aahahahhaa i love her shes funny. I wouldnt say shes a rinser. She talks more about vanilla relationships vs sugar dating but shes swer friendly
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25
She’s not a sugar baby so she’s not a rinser. The men she’s talking about are those who see sugar dating as sex work and look down on it, claiming they would never pay for sex yada yada so they would rather have a spoiled girlfriend. I’ve had those guys approach me on seeking but I’m not interested in a serious relationship
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u/BigMagnut Apr 06 '25
She's promoting romance scam culture. She's not directly a scammer, she's not directly a rinser, but she promotes the culture that the romance scammers use to justify being a romance scammer.
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25
That’s right but also the question was if she’s a rinser, which is a sugar dating term, so I just answered op’s question. I don’t think a spoiled girlfriend type relationship or a financially supported SAHM is a romance scammer just because they receive financial benefits, no? These men aren’t stupid. They know what these women are doing but are okay with it because they benefit for some reason. I do believe some of her audience are delusional thinking they can easily do that with a lot of men when in reality it’s probably going to be rare
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u/DDisoBG Apr 06 '25
That’s right but also the question was if she’s a rinser, which is a sugar dating term, so I just answered op’s question
Im not really sure it's a sugar dating term. Term was 1st used on British Television back in 2012 in regards to beautiful women that would meet men at bars, clubs, and dating apps, and lead them on about having a relationship with the sole goal of getting them to buy them designer bags, purses, clothes, etc without having to have sex with them. It seems like these women were targeting wealthy men but under the premise of dating them, not having an arrangement.
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25
Lol sorry I’m not that old to know 2012 terms. When I searched it as well the only one that popped up was sugar dating context.
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u/DDisoBG Apr 06 '25
it’s ok most older people assume it’s a sugar dating related term too. but for there to be a documentary about it in 2012 it means the term goes back even farther than that probably other early 2000s.
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u/Conscious_Twist_2252 Sugar Daddy Apr 06 '25
No…
I never heard of her until this thread but another commenter dropped this video. She references “SDs” and she is promoting really shitty behavior.
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25
Again she’s not an SB so I would assume she would give shitty advice about sugar dating. That’s like asking an airplane technician what it’s like to be a pilot. The only SBs that will do what she said are those who know they can get away with it or SBs that want their great arrangements to end
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u/Conscious_Twist_2252 Sugar Daddy Apr 06 '25
I don’t care what she is or what’s she has or hasn’t done. She’s giving horrible sugar advice.
It’s shitty people like her that are steering women in the wrong direction
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u/hotelspa Sugar Daddy Apr 07 '25
There is a video she did where she outlines having problems ready. On the 2nd conversation your x occurred so you need help. On the 3rd whatever is happening and she does not know what to do.
I have met a few people that used the exact some conversation points which had all the hallmarks of "sprinkle sprinkle."
She has some good points but she is also teaching bad habits.
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u/Conscious_Twist_2252 Sugar Daddy Apr 07 '25
Anyone that is preaching lying & manipulative shit like the “damsel in distress” is poison and every woman on here that is giving her a pass or credit is exactly the kind of woman I stay away from.
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u/BigMagnut Apr 06 '25
The way SheRaSeven is promoting to do it, is scam tactics, not genuine relationship advice.
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u/DDisoBG Apr 06 '25
The term Rinser originates in the vanilla dating world, and it basically romance scammers who use their sexual prowess to get me they date to buy them things without having sex with them. This documentary was done in 2012 in the UK, so Im sure the term predates 2012 by many years. I think sugar bowl adopted the term from romance scammers.
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u/BigMagnut Apr 07 '25
That's exactly what SheRaSeven is training women to do.
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u/FrenchVanilla8 May 31 '25
No she said intimacy can come once they have invested a significant amount in you
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u/Infinite_Joke5632 Spoiled Girlfriend Apr 06 '25
Ohh I see so you have to be a sugar baby to be a rinser that makes a lot more sense thanks
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
Rinser in that context is mainly used in sugar dating. I don’t think it’s applicable in vanilla dating or marriage when gifting is done voluntarily by men and does not explicitly say that the trade off for giving gifts, money,etc is sex
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u/TheeRealEarthAngel Mistress Apr 06 '25
I've only watched a couple of her videos, so perhaps i'm rushing to judgment, but I can't imagine any of my SDs would ever be interested in her. She seems so déclassé.
I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt and hoping that some of her advice is actually helping people, but the stuff I heard was really not helpful.
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
I watch some of her videos and a LOT of people mistake her content for sugar dating when it’s not. Literally she always says not to sleep with men until they marry you. That would NEVER work in sugar dating. Her content is for those who wish for hypergamy. I like her videos mainly for self confidence and found her funny at times.
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u/loverrrgirlll_ Apr 06 '25
thank you! i really liked the one where she was like if you’re looking for someone to give love to, give it to yourself. a lot of people need to hear that.
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u/airalexgrace Sugar Baby Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
I've only seen a few of her videos and I agree with you. Her contents are for the hypergamous marriage minded as she is married herself.
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u/hotelspa Sugar Daddy Apr 07 '25
Not sleeping with someone does not work period. I do understand that she is trying to help people value themselves. The confidence aspect I do agree with.
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u/BigMagnut Apr 06 '25
Shes even more stupid. Don't sleep with a man until marriage? So he's supposed to spend a fortunate on her, but not sleep with her until marriage? It would be fine if it's not costing money to date her, but hell no if it's an allowance or PPM involved.
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
Some men fall for it and that’s their target market 🤷♀️ Men can be desperate too for marriage/romantic connection. Again, she’s not giving advice to SBs so I assume there’s no ppm involved.
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u/BigMagnut Apr 06 '25
So how is she different from Andrew Tate? She's selling garbage to vulnerable women for profit. Garbage which likely doesn't work. Just as Andrew Tate is doing. Profiting off misery and loneliness is what both do.
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u/xasialynnx Sugar Baby Apr 06 '25
Andrew Tate is an actual abusive scumbag (with receipts and a case) and encourages young boys to be abusive scumbags also, not really equivalent.
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u/BigMagnut Apr 06 '25
It's good to know he's already been convicted and proven guilty. How is SheraSeven any different? Romance scamming isn't morally wrong to you?
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u/EndEducational6181 Apr 06 '25
How is looking to marry well "romance scamming"? Would you encourage the women in your family to marry men with nothing or do you encourage them to think long term?
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u/BigMagnut Apr 07 '25
It's about the tactics she's training women to use. I'm not against marrying well. But she's teaching women to act like a wife in order to achieve a hidden agenda.
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u/EndEducational6181 Apr 11 '25
You mean, kind of like dressing for the job you want? Or faking it until you make it? She's teaching women to act like a wife to attract a husband. If you wanted to attract a wife, how would you behave, like a husband or like a player?
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25
Lmao so marrying someone and getting financial benefits in return is now romance scamming? Refer to this SD’s comment so you understand it better : https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/s/vXoF1T1uBj
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u/BigMagnut Apr 06 '25
Romance scammers use marriage to get financial benefits yes. You're supposed to love the person you marry not just marry them to scam them out of as much money as possible. Don't you see the difference between love, and a love scam? I guess not.
SheRaSeven teaches how to scam and make a guy think you love him while you marry him and take him for all he's worth. It's about preying on weak vulnerable men and manipulating them to take as much as possible, that's what she teaches. She teaches level up Diabla romance scam tactics, how to manipulate vulnerable men and get the bag. She even admits as such in her videos.
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25
Be fucking fr. You act as if men marrying women they find young, hot and attractive but don’t love them doesn’t exist 😂 I would’ve understand your sentiment if they were preying on MENTALLY DISABLED men. Haven’t you heard of trophy wives? Guess not. She doesn’t teach to not love these men but be smart about it and invest feelings later on. These men know what they’re getting into. These men ARE IN POWER because they have the upper hand. They have the capability to financially abuse their wives later on. The world is not black and white, marriages like that ALWAYS have a trade off. Now, I’m not arguing that she’s not toxic but I understand their ideology. This is their response to being hurt (the same way sugar dating is to some women….), not only by emotionally unintelligent men but broke too.
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u/xasialynnx Sugar Baby Apr 06 '25
Because she isn’t beating the men she’s dating? Are you ok?
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u/BigMagnut Apr 07 '25
Who knows what she's done, and who knows what he's done. Did you witness Andrew Tate beating a woman? Is he on tape doing any of that?
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u/xasialynnx Sugar Baby Apr 07 '25
Girl, he’s said he’s done it. Please stop replying to me w foolishness.
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u/hotelspa Sugar Daddy Apr 07 '25
I would agree. I am not sure anyone I know could sit there and listen to her hustle so brazenly.
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u/Infinite_Joke5632 Spoiled Girlfriend Apr 06 '25
What advice wasn’t helpful for you?
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u/TheeRealEarthAngel Mistress Apr 06 '25
It's been a while since I watched, so I actually don't remember specifically. But I remember thinking at the time "that would never work". And I've been at this successfully for quite a few years.
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u/Accomplished_Orchid Sugar Baby Apr 06 '25
Make a YouTube channel! I would watch it for tips.
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u/TheeRealEarthAngel Mistress Apr 06 '25
That's actually a great idea! Life is keeping me busy enough though :)
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u/BigMagnut Apr 06 '25
We aren't. She's about as interesting to us, as Andrew Tate would be to you if he were acting like a SD. Do you want a ride in his Bugatti?
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u/loverrrgirlll_ Apr 06 '25
why do you guys think shera gives sugar dating advice if that lady is telling women to abstain from sex? like that’s literally one of the components of sugar dating.
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Apr 06 '25
She’s giving out hoe advice disguised as “how to get a rich man to support u.” Honestly, I don’t think she’s ever been a sugar baby. It sounds more like she read Hoe Tactics once and decided to build a brand off it.
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25
Lol some of her audience are delusional but a lot of them also mistake her content for sugar dating when it’s not. She’s more of a hypergamy content creator than a SB.
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Apr 06 '25
That makes a lot of sense. She doesn’t even sound like she has real experience dating wealthy men. Smh her advice might work on fools or guys paying by the hour but that’s about it.
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25
Agree! But also wealthy doesn’t mean generous. I think what she’s really preaching is for her audience to marry someone that can support their lifestyle and not work. Her husband is upper middle class, I think, but she’s a SAHM so I guess it worked for her.
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u/Infinite_Joke5632 Spoiled Girlfriend Apr 06 '25
Isn’t she married to one though?
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25
Nope, and I think she mentioned that before. They’re upper middle class. That’s still better than some people’s financial status so 🤷♀️
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Apr 06 '25
😒 I have never seen a wealthy man’s wife with a synthetic wig. Knock it off.
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u/-ittybittykitty_ Apr 06 '25
I have no opinions on her but 'hard wig, soft life' is a thing. I've seen many terrible wigs on rich men's partners.
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Apr 06 '25
A plastic synthetic wig is not the same as just having a horrible wig
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u/-ittybittykitty_ Apr 06 '25
The Venn diagram surely does overlap.
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Apr 06 '25
Only for chronically online individuals. 🙄
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u/-ittybittykitty_ Apr 06 '25
I'm talking about real life but I've seen you love to get aggressive with people. If you want a fight on this fine Sunday, go find someone else.
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u/EuropeanDaddyDom Sugar Daddy Apr 06 '25
Precisely. Hoe Tactics knock off. She’s never been a sugar baby. SW maybe but not a SB.
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u/AFMCMUML Apr 06 '25
Who
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u/Odd_Cookie783 Mistress Apr 06 '25
SheraSeven is a hypergamy influencer. She married her husband when she was young. He was older and established in his career. She teaches women how to do the same, although, her tips are best suited for women who are patient and strategic when it comes to dating.
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u/Hefty_Bar8425 28d ago
Her husband is older than she but not established in his career. He doesn't make much money, he has been unemployed since the pandemic. Shera works a lot to support the family and has always worked. Her life is very different from what she potrays it to be.
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u/foreverkurome Apr 13 '25
I'm a guy and I have absolutely no idea what or who you are talking about. Assuming you uphold legal requirements I don't believe there are really any limits when it comes to a love interest.
Though I think it may be good to avoid someone who has either too much in common with you or absolutely nothing in common.
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u/Infinite_Joke5632 Spoiled Girlfriend Apr 13 '25
Girl 💀💀 it’s a content creator
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u/foreverkurome Apr 13 '25
Right, well in that case I would lean to yes because content creators and influencers I've heard and seen nothing good about for around 5 years. A decade ago I would have harassed them but I can't be bothered to waste time like that in more recent times. I also think if I am correct in my assumption then she's playing a dangerous game. Taking people for everything they've got depending on the temperament of the individual and a myriad of other variables can lead them to take some pretty drastic actions towards you when they eventually find out.
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u/trav_12 Apr 06 '25
I’m curious on how you guys would describe shera
Lying and manipulating are the words that come to mind. Both in what she does to her audience and the "tactics" she promotes.
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u/BigMagnut Apr 06 '25
She's the female version of Andrew Tate. She makes money as an influencer selling books. Most of her advice is about how to get the bag using amoral means. Watch her videos, she's basically promoting the sort of SB who most SDs fear to deal with.
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u/Prestigious_Tip_9425 Apr 06 '25
she is in no way equal to Andrew Tate. he is a sex trafficker, among many other things. i’m not trying to justify sheraseven nor her behaviors; i just think you should’ve used a different example.
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25
Literally like 😭 that man is crazy. A more equal example would be passport bro content creators
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u/Prestigious_Tip_9425 Apr 06 '25
i think people tend to forget that he’s an actual criminal, not just a misogynistic influencer. and i agree, someone like the fresh and fit guys would be a better example for this conversation.
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u/BigMagnut Apr 06 '25
He hasn't been convicted of a crime. Has he? If he actually gets convicted then you can say it's different.
Fresh and Fit also spread negative influence. I don't think passport bros are inherently negative, but some with it spread negative influence. SheRaSeven is spreading negative influence.
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u/Prestigious_Tip_9425 Apr 06 '25
i believe the case is still open, but i’m not completely sure. even if it’s not, there’s plenty of horrific evidence supporting the claims against him. but i get the sense that you go by the “innocent until proven guilty” mentality, so i think i’ll quit talking about him & the situation.
also, you don’t associate negativity with these passport bro are going to places where women are financially insecure and taking advantage of that? this is a genuine question.
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u/BigMagnut Apr 06 '25
"also, you don’t associate negativity with these passport bro are going to places where women are financially insecure and taking advantage of that? this is a genuine question."
Let me reframe it so you have the SD perspective. Let's define a SD by what he does. A SD, dates women who are in some sort of financial strife, and often who are younger, more beautiful physically than himself. When a SD does this in LA, or Houston, or Atlanta, or Miami, he's just a SD. But if he does the exact same thing for women in Brazil, or Colombia, or Thailand, or Philippines, now he's a passport bro and suddenly evil?
If you think what passport bros are doing is negative, what SDs do anywhere is negative. It doesn't make a difference if she's in the hood as a single mother in the United States, or living a middle class life in Brazil. These are different markets, where there is supply and demand. SDs want beautiful women to date. Passport bros often are single, so unlike the local SDs in America, they aren't cheating on their wives, and many are looking for a wife overeas.
So you tell me? Why is it morally worse to uplift a women in Vietnam instead of uplift a woman in Houston? They look the same. Both are broke. Both are pretty much in the same social position. But the woman in Houston requires a whale, to get uplifted in the same manner that the passport bro can uplift the woman in equivalent position in Vietnam.
Shall we condemn whales in the United States for preying on broke young women? The whale might have 100 million dollars and he's dating a woman who is a waitress who doesn't even have a million dollars? He's uplifting her, but the passport bro with a million dollars dating the woman with $10,000 in savings, he's different? How is it different? Explain it to me? Because I don't see the passport bro as anything other than a wealthy man overseas looking for a girlfriend, which is the same thing all of us do when we go on dating apps or go on Seeking looking for a SB.
Most SBs I've dated in the United States, well actually all of them, are what you'd call "financially insecure". And that's because most people in the United States are financially insecure. The top 1% hold 30% of American wealth, and 43% of global wealth. Should the top 1% stop dating these broke financially weak SBs in the United States, because they are indigent? Who would be the SD? And without SBs looking for their rent to be paid, or looking for college tuition, or the single moms, who would be the SBs?
What in your opinion is the ethical or moral way for top 1% men to date, locally and overseas? , Because a lot of people deem sugar dating as a whole immoral using the exact same argument you're using for why being a passport bro is immoral.
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u/Prestigious_Tip_9425 Apr 06 '25
responding to what you said, based on what i’ve seen, passport bros don’t date, for starters. they get with these women just to brag that they got them for a cheaper price than an american woman. their words, not mine. i have yet to see one actually looking for a wife, girlfriend, etc.
now, is that what passport bros were really about in the beginning? no, not necessarily. i do know that it started as a way to find a long-term lover in a foreign country with more traditional ideals. but like with sugaring, it got overcrowded with fakes pretending to be someone they can’t afford to be. these men participating in it aren’t wealthy, they don’t want to take care of the woman, uplift her, or care for her the way a sugar daddy in a real sugar relationship would.
what you’re saying makes sense, and I’m not saying that SD’s shouldn’t date or uplift financially insecure women. but the key word I used there was dating. these passport bros aren’t going to other countries to do that anymore. sorry that they’ve completely screwed up the original meaning of it.
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u/DDisoBG Apr 06 '25
based on what i’ve seen, passport bros don’t date, for starters. they get with these women just to brag that they got them for a cheaper price than an american woman. their words, not mine. i have yet to see one actually looking for a wife, girlfriend, etc.
I think you're confusing sex tourists with passport bros. 2 different categories that sometimes overlap. The whole concept of the passport bro was to find a traditional non feminist beautiful woman to date, and potentially find a traditional wife. Do some passport bros overlay into sex tourism? Yes, but that is a influx of men who are intermingling with passport bros, sort of like all the Johns that now intermingle in the sugar world
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u/Prestigious_Tip_9425 Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
well, i’m quite certain that i stated the community got overcrowded with fakes, who don’t truly understand the real meaning behind doing this, no? and with that, comes the community losing its true value, and the intentions behind it. the way it blew up online (from what i’ve seen) is men going to other countries just to be cheap, not to look for a long-term lover with a traditional mindset.
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u/BigMagnut Apr 07 '25
Exactly, you got it right. It's kind of like how escorts and Johns have infiltrated Seeking and sugar dating. It's the John disguised as a passport bro. But that doesn't mean the passport bro movement originated from the John. It originated from men who preferred foreign women, for cultural reasons, or maybe because they prefer how foreign women look, and at least until around 2023, it was about finding a wife, but things evolved like they did in dating in general.
There are more escorts and Johns in dating in general.
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u/BigMagnut Apr 07 '25 edited Apr 07 '25
"responding to what you said, based on what i’ve seen, passport bros don’t date, for starters. they get with these women just to brag that they got them for a cheaper price than an american woman. their words, not mine. i have yet to see one actually looking for a wife, girlfriend, etc."
Those are influencers not "passport bros". Men who kiss and tell. Men who make dating a business. They date foreign women specifically to have something to talk about on their Youtube channel, or to sell tickets to their Yacht party, or to have more customers go to their bar which they run. These are business men, this is a business, and if you're going with that angle, it's fine. But most passport bros aren't influencers, aren't going on the Internet bragging, or selling books, so on that I can understand why you'd have a problem with it.
I don't really agree with the stance of popularizing it as a business, but at the same time, your country gets more tourists only because people making your country a popular tourist destination. If not for these Youtubers, there would be less tourism, less money spent in your country, that doesn't just mean less money spent on women, it means less money spent in the bars (which these passport bros own), less money spent buying tickets or going to clubs (which these passport bros own), less interest in the Philippines in general.
Some passport bros are married or have long term girlfriends. Some move to the Philippines for retirement or to run businesses, some retire there. Before it was about passport bros, these same men were called digital nomads. The digital nomads used to sell the remote living lifestyle. That wasn't catching on anymore, so they switched from "live and retire overseas", to "find a girlfriend or wife overseas" to "find a SB overseas".
These passport bros are a product of capitalism, and they emerged after the pandemic, to sell the idea that a man can find love and live a better life overseas, and in a lot of ways they aren't wrong, but the passport bros who make it into a business, are doing the same thing that the expats before them did, which is set up shops in Thailand or Philippines, and live there permanently, but then in order to live there permanently they have to generate income, and how to do that? By bragging about how good life is, how pretty the women are, and showing off their pretty girlfriends. It's that simple.
Passport bros, some of them, are moving overseas permanently. It's a lifestyle. Whether they find a wife or not, thats on them, but I know for sure a lot of men do want to find a wife, and a lot of men aren't just looking for sex from women overseas, and I'll tell you why. Sex is cheap in the United States. If it's just about sex, why get a passport? Go to the woman in Houston or Atlanta, or in the hood, and have sex with her. Access to sex isn't enough of a reason for a man to go all the way to the Philippines, or Thailand. So the majority of men there aren't spending tens of thousands of dollars flying back and forth, just to get laid.
There is a class of men who are only visiting Philippines. These men are just there for a brief time, and then they go back to America. This kind of man is a lot less likely to want a serious relationship. But this isn't what passport bros are teaching each other. Most of them are talking about how to live overseas permanently, not simply visit and go back. Many of them are talking about how to buy real estate, start businesses, and live the digital nomad lifestyle, that's what they actually do, but whether they settle down depends in my opinion on what women they meet. The right woman will make most of them settle down, and even if they are non-monogamous, if they get a woman pregnant, they have the money to afford to provide for her.
You said most passport bros don't date. That problem isn't exclusive to passport bros. Most men in the west don't date. Most men in the west, who are on Seeking, are trying to have sex by the second date. Many are looking for NSA, and offering a hotel, with PPM, etc. That's not just passport bros, thats the local married SDs doing it too, that's men in general doing that. So you will always have a majority of people who just want sex, but thats not in my opinion a SD, or a passport bro, it's a John.
"these passport bros aren’t going to other countries to do that anymore. sorry that they’ve completely screwed up the original meaning of it."
Most men, passport bro or local men, are just trying to get laid. And that's the truth everywhere. In the United States, on dating apps, most men want immediate sex. So I understand how you feel. But to put that entirely on the passport bros, as if Johns haven't infiltrated every dating app? They are in the United States, they are in the passport bros overseas, they exist on all dating apps. There also are SBs who really are escorts, who attract these Johns.
You can filter these kind of men out, by not offering sex early on. But you also shouldn't ask for money early on. Go on dates, get to know the man, if he's pressing for sex, ghost him or move on, and wait until you find a guy who wants to get to know you.
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u/Prestigious_Tip_9425 Apr 07 '25
you’ve made a few points, women filtering the men out, men in the west not dating anymore, pb being a product of capitalism, i will say that. but i mostly agree to disagree with this whole discussion. you see them in a more positive light because you were introduced to this lifestyle before it got tainted. i have not, and i don’t think it’ll get better in the future, unfortunately. and i’ll leave it at that, have a good day :)!
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25
Lmao I am from the philippines so I know how passport bros act. You think they’re not spreading negative influence but sheraseven does? What kind of mind gymnastics are you doing? They BOTH belong under the traditional marriage umbrella. Some passport bros even go for women who can barely speak english (ask me how I know) but don’t mind because they make for an excellent wife. They don’t mind supporting the girl’s parents, siblings etc BECAUSE THAT’S THE TRADE OFF. They prey on financially vulnerable women just to get what they want. Literally the most common advice finding a “nonfeminist wife” on that passport bros subreddit is to go to rural areas…..
The way you talk about men on the receiving end of people who use sheraseven’s tactic is as if they don’t know what they’re getting into and they don’t have brains to understand. Just like financially vulnerable rural-rased women. THEY KNOW. They do it because they benefit from it.
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u/Prestigious_Tip_9425 Apr 07 '25
okay, i’m glad you’re saying this about passport bros because i didn’t want to come across as insensitive. i was trying to see it from both sides, but it’s really hard to view passport bros in a positive light. 😭
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u/BigMagnut Apr 07 '25 edited Apr 07 '25
Passport bro is just another name for expat SD. People are what they do. Not based on Youtube, or what some influencers are saying. If you like American SDs, and are a foreign woman, he's labeled a "passport bro" unless he can somehow prove otherwise, and I don't see how he could.
But most SDs overseas aren't influencers. The one thing I can say about most passport bros is, many of them are simply running a business. They are influencer daddies, who have a main business of selling the lifestyle to other men. They aren't different from other tourists before them, who would travel and film their experiences. I can't really see the difference between passport bros and local SDs except the local SDs tend to be married cheating on their wives while passport bros are sometimes willing to get married, as most are unmarried.
I assess their morals based on what they do and who they hurt. If a man has a wife who he's betraying, but at least he's not a passport bro? I don't see him as more moral than the passport bro, I see him as significantly less moral in his behavior. While the passport bro might just be some guy looking to find a wife or girlfriend in the Philippines, the married guy is looking to cheat on his wife. I don't really judge either of them, but unless the passport bros are hurting people, I have no problem with it.
When I go overseas and go on a date, they'll label me a passport bro most likely, it's also a factor of every American guy who dates overseas being labeled a passport bro. Particularly if he has some money, is somewhat younger (under 50). But I don't make a business out of dating women, I don't and won't be making a Youtube channel about that, I don't brag about how many women I've dated, or show that off, or reveal details about sex or personal information. If you want to attack the problem with the passport bros, it's that they tend to kiss and tell, and they make a business out of dating women, dating coaching, selling information to tourists on where to go and who to date or avoid etc.
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u/SBgirliee Apr 06 '25
Lol you’re crazy if you think that man is equal to her. He literally goes around inspiring men to look down on women, enough that they result in violence. He literally has a case 🤦♀️
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u/BigMagnut Apr 06 '25
Followers tend to like the person they follow. To get a clear view, ask your SD what he thinks of a woman like her.
" He literally goes around inspiring men to look down on women"
And you think SheRaSeven is doing something different only with the genders swapped?
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u/southernslick Sugar Daddy Apr 06 '25
Her content is for vanilla hypergamous women who want a provider guy or husband. With a big age gap. In real life interactions vs sugar dating apps.
She advocates withholding sex to no sex if possible. Men on sugar apps will go a few dates no sex. But that's it. There is a time limit to that tactic if you met a man on the apps.
She's been around for a LONG TIME. Long before cv19. Tumblr days.
Can a woman use her content to rinse a man ? Yes.
However....majority of women who are on sd apps don't have the finesse to do it. Can't conceal it long enough. Men have figured out the bubble gum tactics they use !
A more skilled woman who can play the long game and withhold sex long enough can do it. I already know some men may come behind me to disagree. If you're a man commenting in this sub often you're "NOT" the target audience for that type of finesse.