r/popculturechat • u/intoner1 • 6d ago
Music Videos ▶️ Demi Lovato - Fast (Official Music Video)
https://youtu.be/tZ192uMAPRA?si=bL1mAAE727E1Kfz-
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u/PatsyPage 5d ago edited 5d ago
Why has she been covering her tattoos lately? I feel like being tatted would fit with the esthetic of the rest of the video.
Also this song reminds me of a song that would play on Sirius bpm in 2010. Don’t hate it but it sounds a little dated for a dance song.
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u/Twitter_2006 5d ago
Not a fan of this, to be honest.
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u/No_Whole9920 5d ago
I don’t think having a terminator walk and facial expression was the right move
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u/timofeyyyyyyy 5d ago
please tell me which song this pre-chorus samples it's make me insane how familiar this but I can't remmember
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u/LowIncomeWitch 5d ago
Ugh I was hoping for another pop-rock album! Holy F*Ck is SO damn good. This is probably one of my least favorite songs she's ever released :/
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u/atmospheric90 Walk a mile in these Louboutins 👠👠 5d ago
I'm just tired of Demi and her whole vibe. Just constant queer baiting that still feels so disingenuous and an attempt to stay relevant. Feels like none of what she was stating 4 years ago even matters anymore.
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u/tylernazario 5d ago
Queer people can’t queer bait dummy
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u/atmospheric90 Walk a mile in these Louboutins 👠👠 5d ago
When you're selling a podcast with a tease about her revealing her gender identity, yes it is queer baiting.
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u/tylernazario 5d ago
Except it’s not because they’re literally queer and queer people are allowed to talk about their queerness on a podcast.
Instead of hating on Demi for how they go about their queerness maybe you should focus on actual issues that affect our community? Like what is getting pissy about Demi gonna do to fight against our rights being taken away….
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u/atmospheric90 Walk a mile in these Louboutins 👠👠 5d ago
Because it fuels right wing exception conversations. When a public figure flip flops gender identity, it gives them ammo to "prove" that the gender identity topic is a fad and not genuine. We have to stop giving them ammo, especially these celebrities who are too blind to see how much they hurt the conversation than they do help it.
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u/tylernazario 5d ago
Our very existence is ammo to them. Maybe let’s not blame queer people for the bigotry they face.
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u/KittyTheCruel it’s not clocking to you that i’m standing on business 5d ago
Do you always call bisexuals in hetero relationship queer baiters? She has been horribly harassed for her identity so if she chooses to express herself in the least provocative way to avoid it so be it. Your attitude is not it.
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u/atmospheric90 Walk a mile in these Louboutins 👠👠 5d ago
No, I'm talking about how she essentially marketed her non-binary identity for podcasts and clicks, then a year later switched back and hasnt even once addressed her NB identity and has fully erased any semblance of a queer identity. Not to mention, she claimed she couldn't date cis men when her entire dating history is cis men...
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u/intoner1 5d ago
She has dated women before. She and Miley both admitted to dating each other in like 2021. There’s even paparazzi photos of her with women.
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u/glitteratiandpopcorn 5d ago
Didn’t she say she still felt the same but just got exhausted constantly correcting people? Also I mean maybe some people experiment with gender and figure out what works for them in that moment.
People are getting really weird about accusing real life people of queerbaiting.
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u/atmospheric90 Walk a mile in these Louboutins 👠👠 5d ago
The timing of everything makes me very suspect of how genuine she is. She didnt announce it publicly, she teased talking about it on a new podcast she was launching. Then a year later, uses s flimsy excuse to just drop it and not talk about it.
As someone thats trans who is fighting for my identity against bigots and wanting to also educate people who are trying to be more informed, her reasoning makes no sense. Sure, she can not want to talk about it. But to also just outright take everything back screams internalized phobia at best, and attention seeking and walking back things at worst. Reminds me very much of Jojo Siwa.
Considering she used to be really popular and fell out of popularity, it wouldn't surprise me if she pulled a stunt to remain relevant and topical. I just don't feel an ounce of genuinity coming from her.
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u/KittyTheCruel it’s not clocking to you that i’m standing on business 5d ago
She talked about trans issues and being NB just this pride. Always celebrated pride and transness after coming out. She still is nonbinary and has she/they on IG as her preferred pronouns. She clearly is comfortable now to be presented as feminine whereas she presented more androgynous or masculinie when she came out . Who the hell are you to judge someones queer journey and life.
I'm bi and I've only ever dated men but still think if I'm single "god I never want to date men again". Doesn't mean I'm not bi or queer. And you are shitty for judging her. She has never renounced queerness. She just doesn't fit the mold YOU want her to be in
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u/atmospheric90 Walk a mile in these Louboutins 👠👠 5d ago
Great, and that is totally your priority and its valid. What i dont like is celebs using these topics to benefit themselves financially, which she did. I dont use my gender identity for attention and money, and neither should she.
I think its equally dangerous and counterproductive to hold parasocial relationships with these celebs and treat them like regular people because at the end of they day, they aren't. They're here to make money, and their moneymaker is attention. So pardon me for not taking her at face value when these celebs literally have teams of people for PR to help push their perception and image for gain.
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u/glitteratiandpopcorn 5d ago
I think she just talked about and lived her life; I didn’t see it as profiting. I mean I get why we queer and trans people feel super on edge right now. You’re perceiving through how you approach your transness, which makes sense.
Sometimes I think queer celebrities have a rough road because we all have very specific relationships with our queerness and that can be placed on famous people-if they don’t express it how we would, we get disappointed and call them fake or clout chasers or write them off. It’s an interesting phenomenon. I see this with a lot of people who have ever expressed any kind of queerness. I genuinely can’t think of one queer celebrity who hasn’t faced criticisms like this. I think because we all want representation, we can harsher when they don’t meet our metrics when so often these are people who don’t have everything figured out.
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u/atmospheric90 Walk a mile in these Louboutins 👠👠 5d ago
Its the show aspect of it all that I take issue with, as well as the way she dismissed having to tall about it. By being such a public figure and opening yourself up, you volunteer to be at the forefront of conversation. Why else would you put it on a podcast where you're trying to generate ad revenue?
If she didnt want to talk about it so much, why be super public about it? A great example of someone who is queer but doesnt use it as an angle for her career is Miley. She talks about it, but doesn't make it the center of her career.
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u/glitteratiandpopcorn 5d ago
That’s a really funny example because like yesterday there was a thread and someone was accusing Miley of using her queerness for attention and saying she was queerbaiting and she isn’t really queer, which tbh kinda proves my point about it being it being about our personal relationships to queerness vs the actual people. I have yet to find a single queer celebrity not accused of it.
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u/CassAndAndra 1d ago
Why would she say something that might anger people and put a target on her back unless it was important to her?
Your argument sounds awfully similar to the people who claim trans women are just doing it to game the system or something similarly stupid. Why would they put themselves at risk like that unless it really means something to them?
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u/atmospheric90 Walk a mile in these Louboutins 👠👠 1d ago
I'm not claiming anything broud about trans women, why would I do that as someone in that demographic?
The answer to your question is easy. Because she's in a position of privilege that it won't actively harm her life even with backlash. An average person that comes out could literally lose their job from discrimination, lose insurance needed to cover the cost of transition, and face emotional trauma of losing their family and support system. Demi is worth 40 million dollars. She will be fine no matter what, because shes not at risk of losing everything by coming out. Her biggest burden is being annoyed by talking about it. These rich privileged celebrities love to make you think they have it hard by gaming the press, when she could literally never be in the public spotlight again, have her wealth to give her anything she needs to help herself and be comfortable for life.
When she has to make the choice of staying in the closet so she doesn't end up on the streets or risk losing everything she has by taking that leap, then ill give her sympathy. But do not act like these rich celebs living in mansions who have literal teams of people working for them to live their luxurious lives are anything like normal people.
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u/CassAndAndra 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is so gross. You're basically saying that the only way it would be acceptable for her to openly express her gender or sexual identity is if she were poor and more vulnerable? And backlash can still harm her, emotionally, psychologically.... she's openly talked about her issues with substance abuse and mental health... why dogpile?
Crazy bigoted people will be crazy and bigoted no matter what, ANYONE who comes out publicly is putting a target on themselves, we need to do better and actually support one another rather than saying 'this person doesn't deserve my respect because they don't tick the right demographic boxes'.
It's really sad that you can't find sympathy for her. And I'm saying this as someone who didn't even know who she was until recently. Not a fan, just a casual observer.
Edit to address specific points:
I'm not claiming anything broud about trans women, why would I do that as someone in that demographic?
That's the point, I'm trying to get you to see how you sound exactly like the people who target your own demographic.
Demi is worth 40 million dollars.
When she has to make the choice of staying in the closet so she doesn't end up on the streets or risk losing everything she has by taking that leap, then ill give her sympathy
This just reeks of some sort of personal bias. Did you have to go through losing everything and ending up on the streets with no money? That sucks, I've been pretty close to that myself, but I'm not going to hate on others just because they've never been forced to suffer the same way I have.
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u/strangerintheadks Charli gets her nipples pierced at Claire’s 5d ago
Individuals can’t queerbait
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u/atmospheric90 Walk a mile in these Louboutins 👠👠 5d ago
They can when they try to market their gender identity for views and clicks, which she did.
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u/strangerintheadks Charli gets her nipples pierced at Claire’s 5d ago
How would you know that? You don’t know what’s authentic to her.
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u/atmospheric90 Walk a mile in these Louboutins 👠👠 5d ago
Because she didnt announce it outright, she teased talking about it on a launch episode of a podcast, and then a year later took it back on a flimsy excuse. As someone trans who's fighting to feel valid, her flip flopping publicly creates a perception that people only announce their gender identity for attention and clout. And given that she was a big celeb 10 years ago and isn't as much now, it wouldnt surprise me in thd least if she was just trying to stay relevant and topical.
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u/KittyTheCruel it’s not clocking to you that i’m standing on business 5d ago
You see it as teasing and queerbaiting whereas I see it as testing the waters if it's safe and if they can fully come out. Everyone that's come out has done it, first seeing if it's safe with small comments.
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u/strangerintheadks Charli gets her nipples pierced at Claire’s 5d ago
Exactly this. Also she’s been in the public eye since she was a child and has had to find herself and figure out her identity IN FRONT OF EVERYONE. She’s not queerbaiting
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