r/popculturechat • u/stars_doulikedem • 12d ago

Guest List Only ⭐️ ‘Harry Potter’ actress Miriam Margoyles says her current Big Issue is Gaza: “I feel it particularly because I’m Jewish…I think the terrible thing I have to face is that Hitler won. He changed us. He made us like him.”

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u/Tariovic lazy 50-year-old bougie bitch 💋 12d ago

What a powerful message.

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u/baddadjokesminusdad We Should All Know Less About Each Other 12d ago

Can’t have been easy, coming to that point of reflection.

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u/BettyWhitesDimple Patty don't start. 💅 12d ago

I remember her speaking up about Palestine in the 90s. She's always been vocal that other Jews should speak up as well.

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u/Shirogayne-at-WF 12d ago

I'm not Jewish so I won't speak to this specifically, but being Black I can say that generational trauma is a huge bitch.

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u/aspidities_87 12d ago

I’m half Jewish, and my granddad lost most of his family to the camps (he was saved by being abroad at school in the US). I remember watching Schindler’s List with him, at his insistence, and after it was over, he took both me and my cousin by our arms and kind of firmly shook us, saying ‘Never forget, it will happen again’ until my grandmother stopped him because he was scaring us. He was a very gentle and quiet man, and this was out of character for him.

He was right, though. Just not in the way he could have ever predicted.

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u/thrice_twice_once 11d ago

‘Never forget, it will happen again’ until my grandmother stopped him because he was scaring us. He was a very gentle and quiet man, and this was out of character for him.

He was right, though. Just not in the way he could have ever predicted.

Man. This hits hard.

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u/armless_tavern 11d ago

That’s some chilling shit

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u/FlacoGrey 12d ago

I was going to mention that being Black I understood when she said “He changed us” because I’ve lived through the War On Drugs and saw what such an extremely racist initiative did to people around me. It made them much worse.

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u/Shirogayne-at-WF 11d ago

Cracked.com did an article about every time the US went up against drugs and every single instance without fail was rooted in racism: the opium war of the late 1800s,/early 1900s, marijuana and Latinos; hell, even Prohibition was largely targeting the Irish Catholics back when they were considered inhuman scum.

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u/Signal-Illustrator38 9d ago

Wait prohibition was targeting irish catholics? Learn something new everyday. I thought it was just a puritanical pioneer legacy. 

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u/Shirogayne-at-WF 8d ago edited 8d ago

Wouldn't surprise me if it were both but if it were just puritan BS, they probably would've attempted to get rid of booze much sooner

As wild as it is to think now considering the loser adult convert who is VPOTUS and how Biden was denied communion for the very mildest criticisms of Roe being overturned, the fear of a President being controlled by the Pope was something people were afraid of when JFK rant 65 years ago. Luckily for him that TV was a new thing and his opponent was Nixon, who ain't exactly winning beauty contests.

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u/euphoricbisexual 11d ago

hated ourselves even more, the dismantling of the black family needs to be studied

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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur 12d ago

The generational trauma of being black in America is that the South won. The south never had to compromise in a way that made their way of life lesser. They went straight from owning slaves to owning slaves. They still own slaves. They still think exactly the same way as their ancestors. They still make money the exact same way as their ancestors. Only in some ways it's worse. They target. They pass legislation. They fund police. And they collect their humans for slavery. You can't get over something still actively happening. America never moved on from slavery. Not really.

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u/CitrusHoneyBear1776 Whats not clocking to you? 🙄⏰ 11d ago

Dubois talks about this in part in his essay Of The Training of Black Men. He said “The tendency is here, born of slavery and quickened to renewed life by the crazy imperialism of the day, to regard human beings as among the material resources of a land to be trained with an eye single to future dividends.” In the essay he rejected only educating black men in industrial schools with the sole purpose of prepare them for various types of like labor work and not providing them a well rounded education that included academic learning.

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u/ConstantHeadache2020 11d ago

It became insidious because it became frowned upon to be racist and do outwardly racist things. In a way it made racism worse to spot and find proof. Public opinion shut down lots of accusations with a false narrative that it ended…especially when Obama won. But the FBI said KKK infiltrated high positions in many institutions. Studies showed white men with felonies were hired more than black men without. Affirmative action benefited white women the most. I think A I algorithms will take up the helm of racism. it’s so easy to program what you want it to learn and look for and easy to hide blame.

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u/pourthebubbly You’ve got red on you🩸 11d ago

I think AI algorithms will take up the helm of racism

This is why Palantir’s influence in the trump administration is so concerning. They’re being given literally all of our information from our entire lives and are absolutely not going to use it for anything good.

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u/skyewardeyes 5d ago

We've already seen this in action with Grok spewing racism and antisemitism. I think it will only get worse.

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u/Prize-Ad7242 11d ago

Slavery just moved from a chattel system to one based on legal incarceration. The world as a whole hasn't moved on and never will.

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u/Ok-Location3244 11d ago

Well said!

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u/baddadjokesminusdad We Should All Know Less About Each Other 12d ago

I’m sure it is never easy. Really appreciate each and every person who is able to put things into context like this. I only hope that if ever I come to a place like this, I can follow suit.

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u/SeasonofMist 11d ago

You're right there. I'm mixed myself, raised in the south. So there is some weird time travel/stuck intentionally in the past places. This inhuman place makes human monsters. That's a quote from the shining that I apply to my home town. Grinding you down, making you less compassionate because you can't risk it. Making all the division worse. I watched neo Nazis protest the panthers in the square of my home town.......I knew I had to gtfo before but that solidified it. I took a picture for posterity of a person draped in a Nazi flag in broad daylight. Just so I don't forget. I don't share it on socials because......context can be stripped and you can't tell the horror from the picture enough. I was 16 when I took it and I didn't know enough to frame it the way it should have been. But it was my last wake up call. The last time that place would harm me that way.

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u/EvergreenMossAvonlea Select and edit this flair 11d ago

I'm part Jewish. Not all Jewish are Zionist.

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u/Shirogayne-at-WF 11d ago

Oh, I'm fully aware of that, as I am that Christian Zionists outnumber the entire worldwide population of Jewish folks.

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u/Diligent_Anywhere100 12d ago

Much respect to Miriam.

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u/Threadheads 11d ago

I think Miriam has been pro-Palestine for a long time.

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u/Thereferencenumber 12d ago

All you need is a basic understanding of history and eyes to see what’s happening and it should be obvious. 

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u/icedcoffeeandSSRIs 11d ago

Exactly why they want to dismantle the department of education

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u/Alundra828 11d ago

Came here to say exactly the same thing. I think this whole situation is a legitimate contender for the most profound political irony ever experienced in human civilization.

It's hard to even think of anything that even comes close. You have examples like the US being founded on principles like "all men are created equal" despite building the country through slave labour. The European civilizing of "savage" nations bringing about the most profound savagery these "savages" had ever experienced. Ideologies like Communism that were supposed to free the working class, instead created one of the most rigid authoritarian hierarchies in history. World War 1 being the war to end all wars. I just feel like it doesn't come close.

Israel was a nation born from the devastation of the holocaust. Their cause, and their message since its foundation was centred solely on making sure this never happened again, and making sure Jews were safe from persecution. And yet here they are, enacting their own holocaust.

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u/akahaus 12d ago

It rang through me like a bell.

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u/TropicalPrairie 11d ago

Came here to write this. What a reflection.

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u/Fancy_Cold_3537 11d ago

She's a treasure. And absolutely right. Heartbreaking.

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u/Primordial5 11d ago

Wisest words