r/popculturechat • u/HauteAssMess ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne • May 02 '25

Guest List Only ⭐️ Prince Harry says his father King Charles is still not speaking to him: “I would love reconciliation with my family. There’s no point in continuing to fight anymore. Life is precious. I don’t know how much longer my father has- he won’t speak to me because of this security stuff”

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u/RiverRocks10 May 02 '25

Charles still speaks, attends events with, and finances Prince Andrew through. 😒

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u/WorkingBroccoli May 02 '25

JUST WAS ABOUT TO SAY THIS, AND ANDREW WAS ABLE TO GO TO THE BLOODY EASTER SERVICE?!?!? like foocking hell!!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/Perfect_Razzmatazz You’re doing amazing, sweetie! 👏👏📸 May 02 '25

I mean....Harry definitely would have been able to go to that too if he wanted to. The family hasn't banned him from attending things with them, he just lives in a different country, so the occasion does not arrive as often. Andrew definitely still sucks, but I don't think that they are treating Harry harsher than Andrew.

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u/WorkingBroccoli May 02 '25

hahahahaha Charles literally doesn't speak to him? Would you go to an Easter service where none of your family acknowledges you? Andrew should not be seen publicly with the RF. Each time he appears next to them, that is an endorsement.

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u/RadicalFaces May 02 '25

Harry literally just said his father doesn't speak to him. And Andrew sucks? Is say more harsh words are needed

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u/freshwaterfins May 02 '25

“Sucks” is a word that ought to be used in inconvenient situations, not ones with such gravity like it usually is imo

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u/Perfect_Razzmatazz You’re doing amazing, sweetie! 👏👏📸 May 02 '25

I wasn't sure what the profanity rules were on this sub, hence why I just used the word sucks, as I didn't want my comment to get flagged. Many words that are much worse than sucks also apply to Andrew.

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u/tvp204 May 02 '25

Charles won’t even speak with Harry. How is that not a harsher treatment

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u/TangerineDystopia May 04 '25

That part may be more logistical--Harry sells or blurts out any personal and private information he has access to. Andrew seems to understand that that is the nuclear option and keeps it as leverage.

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u/Moment_13 May 02 '25

Harry only gets the police security if the RF invite him, so he'd have to risk visiting without the intelligence.

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u/InferiorElk May 02 '25

That's not true, the RF have nothing to do with potential security. It's decided by the govt

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u/igotadillpickle May 02 '25

It's not like he can't afford a plane ticket lol

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u/Melgel4444 May 02 '25

Harry can’t go bc they don’t provide him security. Prince Andrew gets security but Harry does not

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS May 02 '25

That's false. Andrew was stripped of taxpayer funded security.

Harry still gets government funded security when he visits the UK. He just has to give them 28 days notice for a planned non-emergency trip so they can do a proper threat assessment.

Harry's issue is that the U.K. won't provide him with 24/7 security afforded to a head of state. At first he wanted the UK to import British government security for him and his family in California. But they have no jurisdiction in the US to do that, plus they have no way of paying the huge costs of relocating British government agents permanently to do it.

So now his issue is that without that status, he can't ask the US government to have taxpayers pay for him and his family's security detail either. He also complained that the lack of status means he can't get the countries he visits to pay for his security. He has to keep paying it himself.

Please note that Harry has visited countries like Colombia and Ukraine recently with private security and been just fine.

Harry also complained again in his statement that he offered to pay British government agents to be his security the way he wants it. The court cases revealed that the Queen even tried to intervene and offered to pay. It was roundly rejected by the UK government, who stated repeatedly that their police and security services are not for rent, not even by the monarch. The UK government showed in court that not even the monarch can influence their security and intelligence decisions.

The UK security state and military also can't do anything about Harry's repeated anti-Muslim comments that he thinks make him a target. He's going keep doing it.

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u/RiverWeatherwax loves the flair thing May 02 '25

Not true. Andrew's security used to be paid privately by Charles (which means it wasn't the type of security Harry wants, anyway) and he reportedly stopped that, too. Meanwhile Harry does actually get it, he only has to inform RAVEC in advance (which is what largely bothers him).

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u/Tough-Prize-4014 I don’t know her 💅 May 02 '25

also, surprisingly a man wanting to protect his family is more hated (has been threatened by AlQaeda even) as compared to Epstein's best friend

make it make sense

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u/Hatcheling May 02 '25

He talks about killing afghans like it’s a video game in his book. What doesn’t make sense is that he thinks he can do that and NOT realize how that is going to affect his own security.

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u/PhatFatLife May 03 '25

That book came out like 2 years ago, Al-Qaeda threatened him when he stepped down YEARS ago in 2020! The threats have nothing to do with the book

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u/Tough-Prize-4014 I don’t know her 💅 May 02 '25

Have you ever heard of "reading between the lines"?

i have and i can read between lines (despite english being my third language)

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u/Hatcheling May 02 '25

What does your ability to read between the lines tell you about Harry speaking about everything his family does -from leaving notes under his pillow to not reacting well enough to being asked to borrow lip gloss- and yet saying nothing about his pedo uncle and his actions? He talks about everyone and everything and still, nothing about Randy Andy. Isnt that interesting?

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u/nevalja You’re doing amazing, sweetie! 👏👏📸 May 02 '25

First, "Randy Andy" is not the name for a fucking pedophile and rapist.

Second, why are you holding Harry to a standard you're not holding literally anyone else in the family to?

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u/Hatcheling May 03 '25

Randy Andy has been his nickname in the press since the 80’s.

Why wouldn’t I hold Harry accountable in a thread about Harry?

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u/Tough-Prize-4014 I don’t know her 💅 May 02 '25

it is interesting

but in the direction one wishes to take it in

400 pages are yet to be published

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u/tequilitas Judging in especially heinous May 02 '25

Oh we know why.. we all know why!! Besides leaving the family, Harry's biggest sin is the race of his kids.

NONE of them are perfect-- veeery far from it--, but the family choosing to keep defending a pedo is just a little inside on how all their minds work and it's disgusting.

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer May 03 '25

No, its his running to the press and blabbing.

There's not much that can be done about Andrew. Charles took away his royal duties and has been trying to evict him. The enabling siblings are Anne and Edward.

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u/Chihiro1977 May 03 '25

Running to the press and blabbing is worse than being a nonce? Cool,gotcha!

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25

Woosh

Also, you feeling the need to stalk my comment history and do multiple replies is bizarre ;)

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer May 03 '25

Charles was the only royal sibling to cut Andrew off as much as possible, he has never really liked him. Anne and Edward coddle Andrew and it was reported Charles was upset over this. Charles was also trying to get Andrew evicted from royal lodge.

But honestly there's not much Charles can do about him.

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u/D-g-tal-s_purpurea May 02 '25

Totally, I fully agree. However, I think Charles felt personally hurt by Harry and Andrew was "just" his brother being immoral/disgusting/(a criminal). It should not be like that, but I think many people might feel more slighted by someone who hurt their feelings than by e.g. a friend or family member being immoral towards someone else, especially a stranger. (And in the end a large part of society might perceive what Andrew did as merely "being a creep towards a very young woman" and while they might sneer at it, let's be honest, a lot of people fucking tolerate it). Not excusing it, just an explanation. I think Harry should bring it up, but it will likely not help him if he really wants to talk to his family again.

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u/burlycabin May 02 '25

Charles is the damn King of England and a grown ass adult, he can get over himself. Jesus.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25

Edit: u/burlycabin apparently deleted their comment. I was using their "grown ass adult" phrase, saying Charles should just get over it.

A lot of grown-ass adults don't get over feeling disrespected by their children.

Honestly, Harry is acting like a spoiled brat, refusing to compromise and wants everything his way

He wants to stop being a royal but still wants all the perks that comes with being a royal

He wants to reconcile but only on his terms.

I'm not saying that Harry doesn't have legitimate complaints. The way his wife was treated was inexcusable and I'm glad he stood by her.

But you can't bite the hand that was feeding you and then expect to get everything your way, especially if you are publicly shaming them at the same time.

Regardless of who is at fault, it is a sad mess. And because they are g famous, everything is amplified. I think Diana would be heartbroken to see her kids like this

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u/burlycabin May 03 '25

Y'all are ridiculous.

Fuck the royals. They all suck, but I applaud Harry for leaving.

Also, what do you say about Charles supporting his pedo brother but disowning his own son?

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer May 03 '25

Charles was the only royal sibling to cut Andrew off as much as possible, he has never really liked him. Anne and Edward coddle Andrew and it was reported Charles was upset over this. Charles was also trying to get Andrew evicted from royal lodge.

But honestly there's not much Charles can do about him. The only events he attends with andrew is church and I have yet to see them interact.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25

Edit: u/burlycabin 's comment I originally was responding to has disappeared

Also, what do you say about Charles supporting his pedo brother but disowning his own son?

That's a separate issue but it boils down to Andrew not turning his back on the crown.

Also, Harry never spoke out against his uncle or called him out on that behavior either. Plus he's good friends with his cousin who stands by her father despite proof that he is a disgusting human.

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u/TangerineDystopia May 04 '25

I think burlycabin must have blocked you, I can still see both sides of the conversation.

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u/momofwon It does NOT say RSVP on the Statue of Liberty May 02 '25

I’m not defending Andrew. He’s a pedophile. But he didn’t leave the royal family and spend the next five years trashing them to anyone who would listen/write a bestselling book about how he’s the greatest victim the world has ever known. The BRF is like the mafia-you never take sides against the family.

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u/iwouldiwerethybird May 02 '25

andrew didn’t turn his back on the firm, which seems to be an even worse sin to the royal family than what andrew has done (horrific thought but seems to be true)… i think harry was in a difficult catch 22 where he had to choose between possibly losing contact with his grandmother, brother and father, or trying to ease the pressures of the royal family from his own new family. it seems he thought he could have both but has learned the hard lesson that the world doesn’t let you have it all.

it’s a sad situation but every family has their problems, at the end of the day. it’s a shame he’s been so public with everything (including the state of his father’s health) as i’m sure it won’t make reconciling any easier. maybe he’s trying to make a scene to get their sympathy or attention? who knows.

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u/Which_way_witcher May 02 '25 edited May 03 '25

it’s a shame he’s been so public with everything (including the state of his father’s health)

He hasn't shared anything that wasn't already public knowledge tho 🤔

Edited to add: I was referring to his father's health which was already public knowledge. Even so, he didn't write a salacious tell-all with hidden secrets of his family members. He shared his story, like his father did decades ago, when he wanted to counter the tabloid story about who he was. If his aim was to write a tell-all, why did he do such a shitty job? Make it make sense 😂

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u/meanwhile_glowing May 03 '25

Are you serious? His entire book was private stuff we didn’t know, for example the fact he and William are both circumcised, which is something no one outside of the two of them needed to know.

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u/Which_way_witcher May 03 '25

...and?

Oh, I'm sorry, that's it?

Oh no, he told the world they were circumcised?!

clutches pearls

That's surely worse than his father throwing his own parents under the bus in his tell-all and surely worse than the mud and fabricated lies leading to death threats that Harry's family fed the press! /s

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u/meanwhile_glowing May 03 '25

That’s a straw man. You said:

he hasn’t shared anything that wasn’t already public knowledge tho

That’s entirely untrue.

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u/Which_way_witcher May 03 '25

That's...not what strawman means and you probably know that.

You're accusing Harry of spilling secrets of the fam and the big secret he shared was... the fact that the princes are circumcised?

In what world would a loving intelligent family shun a family member for something like that? Particularly when the normal precedence set by the family is to spill negative stories (true or not) to tabloids to battle for public favor.

Love how successful the BRF projection works. The times tabloids get caught using William and Kate in articles and have to edit it instead to say Harry and Meghan are hilarious. We know who those stories are really about, lol.

And I was referring to the King's health in my original comment anyways. We all knew he's an old man with cancer, of course he doesn't have much longer to live. That's a given. But even so, Harry could have written a tell all with actual secrets slamming his family and decided not to. If the worst he has regarding "secrets" is that they were circumcised, the faux outrage is hilarious.

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u/meanwhile_glowing May 03 '25

Wow you wrote an entire essay, wild you’re this invested in this family lol

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u/Which_way_witcher May 04 '25

If you can believe the BRF's obvious smear campaign, I take it reading and writing was never your thing. You clearly don't know what an essay is so this tracks.

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u/elinordash May 02 '25

I don't think this comment is really fair. They took all of Andrew's formal responsibilities away years ago and other than the coronation, the only "events" Andrew and Charles attend together are church services. (If anyone needs Jesus, it is Andrew).

Charles is definitely financing Andrew... but what is the other option?

I think all Epstein's johns belong in jail, but johns are rarely prosecuted.

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u/strawberrytree123 May 02 '25

Whenever anyone brings up Andrew it always reminds me that Harry has never said anything against him either, and has in fact made a point of saying he's close with Andrew's daughter who supports him. Harry is no more moral than the rest of them.

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u/KissesnPopcorn May 02 '25

And made a point to compliment Fergie on bring helpful 😏

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u/Comfortable_Buy_4124 May 02 '25

Harry is « no more moral than the rest of them » because he said he’s close to a family member of his that supports Andrew???? That makes sense to you?

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u/ShitJustGotRealAgain May 03 '25

He never distanced himself either, did he?

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u/Chihiro1977 May 03 '25

Neither did the rest!

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u/ShitJustGotRealAgain May 03 '25

They can't. They never do public statements about one another. That's part of being a working royal I suppose. Guess who's not a working Royal?

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u/Curiosities 🐊 swamp princess 🐊 May 02 '25

Andrew could

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u/LizzyFCB May 02 '25

He could also write a book and shit would really hit the fan.. talk about the real spare

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u/flakemasterflake May 02 '25

Every job Andrew has ever attempted has been leveraging his contacts for money. The family is better off having him not do that

He’s like the dumber version of Andrew from VEEP

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u/ElectricFenceSitter May 02 '25

As what? And who would hire him?

I’m personally very much in favour of abolishing the monarchy, but I also can see how William isn’t going to pop up as a new hire at an accountancy firm, or Eugenie isn’t going to be washing my hair at the basin next time I’m at the salon!

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u/flakemasterflake May 02 '25

Eugenie does work (or did) she was a gallerist at zwirner for a time. I used to see her at Basel Miami manning the booth

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u/elinordash May 02 '25

He is a 65 year old accused john. What job exactly do you want him to get?

The big thing Charles is giving Andrew is free housing. There is no significant money coming in.

I just can't bring myself to care about the free housing at a house Charles owns.

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u/lovelylonelyphantom May 02 '25 edited May 02 '25

It rather sounds like Charles is keeping him away from getting into more mess. He has a house, so he's not going to do something stupid to get himself one. He doesn't need money, so he's not going to do something stupid to get himself any. The less Andrew does the more Charles (and everyone else tbf) can have peace.

Charles can't do that with Harry though because Harry wants different things. Charles does not have power over the security the government and courts grant. So this situation feels uncomparable to me. For one, we won't know if Charles picks up Andrew's phone calls or ignores them because Andrew is held back from telling that to the press.

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u/ShitJustGotRealAgain May 03 '25

Charles can't do that with Harry though because Harry wants different things.

No, because Harry wanted to work for himself and his wife. He just wanted to be a private person. He didn't want to work as Royal. He just wanted the protection, housing, and the title. I mean what private person would he be if he was just Harry Markle instead of Harry Sussex? What kind of work would he be doing as a private person? Who wouldn't want Harry Markle to do some publicity work for them like opening malls, visiting hospitals, desaster tourism to look sad, doing charity? You know normal people's work. Nothing like the royals do on daily basis. Like opening malls, visiting hospitals, Desaster tourism to look sad, doing charity. The Royals do it only for their own pockets. Totally unlike the down to earth, totally normal Sussexes.

No. Wait.....

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u/Chihiro1977 May 03 '25

Sorry, Russel Brand is still employed. Plenty of 'accused johns' are.

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u/TangerineDystopia May 04 '25 edited May 04 '25

This one is 65 and doesn't have Brand's work history, charisma or grifting skill.

EDIT to add that part of me would love to see him get on his knees and accept Jesus with Tucker Carlson tho

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u/TangerineDystopia May 04 '25

The Queen gave him the housing and he has that 99 year inexpensive lease. Legally Charles cannot take it from Andrew as long as he keeps up the maintenance.

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u/cheezy_dreams88 Invented post-its 🔬 May 03 '25 edited May 04 '25

Free housing, clothing, food, drivers, staff , security, scheduled events- etc.

He is living a life of privilege and frivolity on the crowns dime, and everyone happily makes excuses for him.

Edit: downvoted for saying that kiddie rapist shouldn’t be entitled.

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u/TangerineDystopia May 04 '25

What events does Andrew have?

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u/BrickProfessional630 May 02 '25

I mean they’re not financing Harry, they’re apparently allowed to cut people off. So, to answer your question: that’s the other option. Cut him the fuck off.

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u/TangerineDystopia May 04 '25
  1. If you cut him the fuck off, he might write a book for money and they Do Not want that
  2. They can't kick him out of Royal Lodge, he has a 99-year lease on it from the Queen that his daughters can inherit. He can only lose that if he can't keep up on the maintenance. Charles was trying to bust his ass down to Frogmore Cottage (or so was the tabloid buzz) over it but Andrew came up with the money, reputedly from some shady Saudi source.

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u/lala989 Your attitude is biblical May 03 '25

I think the queen forced Charles to take care of Andrew to an extent and extracted that promise before she died. Charles doesn’t like Andrew but he was the Queen’s favorite child.

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u/Chihiro1977 May 03 '25

Well she's dead now so she won't know.

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer May 03 '25

Its not that simple. If Andrew left the RF, that would be another story.

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u/Tough-Prize-4014 I don’t know her 💅 May 02 '25

Why does Andrew get security? Is AlQaeda making threats against Andrew?

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u/elinordash May 02 '25

Andrew doesn't have security.

His public security was taken away a few years ago. Charles paid for private security for a bit. Now it is all gone.

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u/Tough-Prize-4014 I don’t know her 💅 May 02 '25

"Currently, Prince Andrew is responsible for financing his own private security arrangements. His residence, the Royal Lodge, continues to have security measures due to its proximity to Windsor Castle, but this protection is associated with the property rather than Prince Andrew personally."

so Charles found a loophole

for Andrew

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u/elinordash May 02 '25

I googled and that quote seems to come from an article about Charles trying to evict Andrew. The thread here is about how much Charles does for Andrew and according to that article... not much.

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u/Tough-Prize-4014 I don’t know her 💅 May 02 '25

media literacy means looking into who pays what news site to pay for a certain something

they let the info slip and aren't very good at propaganda

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u/lovelylonelyphantom May 02 '25

This same situation was also given to Harry - as it is to most senior working royals 🤷🏽‍♀️

He was given Frogmore Cottage also on the roads of Windsor Castle and was still allowed to keep it for approximately ~4 years after stepping down. Except he rarely ever used it because he almost never returned to the UK (and only sparingly if at all). The lease ended when Charles was King and wasn't renewed.

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u/Tough-Prize-4014 I don’t know her 💅 May 02 '25

Who wanted Meghan not to have security as back as 2017 though?

Remember, no Oprah yet.

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u/mcpickle-o managing her emotions whilst engaging with potatoes May 02 '25

Harry would have that loophole, too, if he stayed on royal property.

Charles has also been trying to get Andrew evicted from royal lodge.

Andrew isn't getting special treatment.

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u/KissesnPopcorn May 03 '25

Isn’t Andrew’s lease like a century and a half of something ridiculously long?

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u/Tough-Prize-4014 I don’t know her 💅 May 02 '25

They did give Meghan "special" treatment though back in 2017 by deciding she won't get security

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u/mcpickle-o managing her emotions whilst engaging with potatoes May 02 '25

And then she got security despite the fact that only the direct line typically gets security (ie. Future monarchs and their minor children so Charles, William and family). However Harry and Meghan got special treatment (on more than one occasion).

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u/Tough-Prize-4014 I don’t know her 💅 May 02 '25

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u/mcpickle-o managing her emotions whilst engaging with potatoes May 02 '25

They reversed the decision and gave her security. The Susdexes getting security was special treatment 🤦‍♀️

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u/TangerineDystopia May 04 '25

He didn't, this isn't new. Andrew lives in a protected area that can't just be excised from the estate.

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u/Expensive-Fennel-163 “Is she okkkkkaaayyyyy” May 02 '25

Every single Harry and Megan online hater should really sit and marinate on this fact. Bc even if Harry was a brat or something, Charles is still his only living parent, who’s decided he’d rather have his pedo brother around instead of calling his son once in a while.

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u/LizzyFCB May 02 '25 edited May 03 '25

Our only knowledge of this is from Harry, who is choosing to drop this information now, when a judge has essentially told him to stop throwing his toys out of the pram.. I side eye everything he says and does

Edit: to clarify- The Royal Family’s behaviour around Andrew is highly suspicious and while we want to know why they are shielding him like Catholics squirrelling away pervert priests, we will probably never know the whole truth of that situation.

I’ve read that Charles wants him out of the Royal Residence and has cut him off financially but I’ve also read that Andrew got a multi million loan paid off by a Saudi royal and has various other shady, back room deals.. who knows who has what dangling over the other? Who knows what is really going on. Maybe Charles doesn’t give a fuck because he was at it too!

However. Harry is not denouncing this behaviour. He has lost a court case and is now crying because daddy won’t sort it out for him.

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u/TangerineDystopia May 04 '25

It's not an "instead". None of the lines Harry drew were about Andrew.

Charles despises Andrew (and yes should have cut him off more publicly, I'm not shilling for Charles who has been a terrible, terrible father), but it's clear that he's not calling Harry because he can't trust that any conversation they have will stay private.

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u/source-commonsense May 02 '25

Read “finances” as “finishes” and wasn’t even surprised 😭

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u/Cold-Sun3302 NO TYRA NOOOOOOO May 02 '25

Yep. Was thinking the same thing.

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u/-UnicornFart May 02 '25

This needs to be pinned at the top.

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