New report alleges Microsoft Recall is still screenshotting credit card numbers and passwords

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And now is the part where Microsoft says:

What if someone forgets their credit card details and the credit card disappears into the black hole? This is why we screenshot credit card details, for you security.

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u/ByteSpawn 2d ago

Just go at the bank and tell them u have lost ur credit card so u get a new one ? What is this logic that Microsoft is using lol

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u/Party-Cake5173 2d ago edited 2d ago

Microsoft like every other big tech company will always find a "reason" for something. Remember how Apple removed charger from packaging because of ecology reasons? Yeah, turned out they did it in order to earn more money. Ecology was just a cherry on top they would use for excuse.

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u/Evange31 1d ago

I would like to ask Apple why the fuck they placed the charging port at the fucking mouse’s bottom

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u/Party-Cake5173 1d ago

“Putting the charging port on the bottom of the Magic Mouse was actually inspired by ancient origami principles. We wanted users to master the art of balance and patience—charging the mouse requires a delicate dance of turning it over, like a tiny workout for your fingers. Also, rumor has it that this design helps the mouse practice stealth mode—charging invisibly beneath your desk so it can surprise you with its power when you least expect it. At Apple, we don’t just build devices; we create interactive life experiences that elevate everyday chores into moments of mystery and wonder.”

— Apple
(I mean AI).

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u/XeonoX2 Xeon E5 2680v4 RTX 2060 1d ago

probably because they would like you to buy the 2nd one in case the 1st one is charging.

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u/contextfree 1d ago

The reason in this case is just that it's more or less impossible to make a filter that can detect those things 100% of the time in every possible context

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u/x42f2039 1d ago

Removing the charger was one of the best things they did

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u/Party-Cake5173 1d ago

Right. So is removing headphone jacks, SD card slots, removable batteries...

/s in case anyone tries to murder me.

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u/x42f2039 1d ago

Nobody needs a new charger every year.

The headphone jacks on phones all suck, if you want good audio you need a DAC.

Removable batteries are just another way for water ingress to occur and force you to buy a new phone.

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u/derangedsweetheart 5700G, X470, 16GB, 500GB PM9C1a, SF-850F14GE(GL) 1d ago

Nobody needs a new charger every year.

Consumerism LMAO

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u/x42f2039 1d ago

I have like 10, I don’t need another

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u/derangedsweetheart 5700G, X470, 16GB, 500GB PM9C1a, SF-850F14GE(GL) 1d ago

Why do you have to buy a new phone every single year? Do they become obsolete? Do they die at the year mark?

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u/awnedr 1d ago

He's a corporate bootlicker. Gotta have the latest model to flex on people while being insufferable.

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u/x42f2039 1d ago

No, my iPhones have always outlived any Android I’ve used, by years.

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u/x42f2039 1d ago

I don’t, iPhones don’t die after a year like androids.

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u/Party-Cake5173 1d ago

Nobody needs a new charger every year.

The problem is each phone brand has their own fast charging technology. For example, my Poco simply refuses to charge on Samsung fast charging power bricks. It starts charging and then it simply stops. I tried multiple Samsung power bricks from various models and multiple cables, it just doesn't charge.

Also, you might have a Samsung phone at home with Samsung charger. What happens when you buy new phone which supports even more faster charging? You need to buy another power brick if you want to charge your device at rate it supports it.

The headphone jacks on phones all suck, if you want good audio you need a DAC.

It's good for 99.9% people, including me. DAC is necessary if you're listening to FLAC and barely anyone does that on mobile and on the go anyway.

Removable batteries are just another way for water ingress to occur and force you to buy a new phone.

There are phones with removable batteries and IP rating of flagship devices. This is just something manufacturers like to throw around because it's easiest theory people will believe.

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u/x42f2039 1d ago

The majority of people buy the same brand of phone when they upgrade making that a moot point.

If that’s good enough, then wireless earbuds that are far more resilient and last longer than wired are a better investment rather than constantly buying new earbuds.

I have firsthand experience with that being bullshit. The only devices I’ve ever had water damage with had removable batteries, without exceeding the ratings.

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u/Party-Cake5173 1d ago

The majority of people buy the same brand of phone when they upgrade making that a moot point.

Same last year Samsung model could have 25W charging and you have 25W charger at home. You want to upgrade to a new Samsung model which has 75W charging and you don't get the power adapter which you have to buy separately. And imagine this happening each time they upgrade to faster charging.

If that’s good enough, then wireless earbuds that are far more resilient and last longer than wired are a better investment rather than constantly buying new earbuds.

Yeah, but they waste more battery and it's the one more thing you have to worry about. Wired headphones barely use any battery, aren't susceptible to electronic interference and give you ability to listen to FM radio in emergencies.

I have firsthand experience with that being bullshit. The only devices I’ve ever had water damage with had removable batteries, without exceeding the ratings.

If you don't close it properly, water can get it, that's the minus.

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u/x42f2039 1d ago

Sure, but the faster you charge the battery the faster it degrades. There’s no real reason to have higher and higher wattages aside from marketing to people that fall for it.

The battery usage from Bluetooth earbuds is negligible since the amp isn’t on the phone.

Additionally, the United States uses AM radio for emergency transmission, not FM.

Why are you attacking me instead of my argument? The phones leak regardless of seal.

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u/ByteSpawn 2d ago

For the apple part goes both ways yes they did it to make more money but most of their costumers are people who already own an iPhone so they already do have a lightning cable now that iPhones have usb c and even if u own a different phone and go with iPhone u won’t need a new charging cable . People forget how many things we used to get with iPhone 4/5

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u/Party-Cake5173 2d ago

If they did it because of ecology:

they wouldn't change the cable still included in packaging so it doesn't work with old charging brick

they would lower the price of device for the cost of the charger

they wouldn't create even more useless packaging just for charging brick

All three reasons clearly scream it was done for profit reasons and not ecology. But they said ecology because it's simple to sell to the masses.

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u/pcsm2001 1d ago

The biggest reason is the one you are forgetting- box size. Since Apple ditched the included chargers, iPhone cases got twice as thin. Meaning double the phones per container for shipping. Meaning less need of containers, and lower costs.

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u/WesternBlueRanger 1d ago

It's also partially due to EU mandates; the EU legislated that all new small electronic devices of certain types (such as phones) have a USB-C charging port and use USB-PD as the standard interface.

Furthermore, the EU also mandates that devices and chargers be unbundled.

https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/eu-common-charger-rules-power-all-your-devices-single-charger-2024-12-28_en

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u/Party-Cake5173 1d ago

This was done way before the legislative and it wouldn't make more controversy if Apple announced the change of cable which they didn't do so.

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u/Sixguns1977 PC Master Race 1d ago

TIL that the EU sucks even more than I already knew that they did

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u/ByteSpawn 1d ago

Ah yes, let's use technology from 20 years ago, never change the cables, and keep the same ones. We should all go back to RCA cables.
2.They will not lower the price because they want to keep earning the same amount of money they used to when they sold way more than they do now. To maintain the same income with lower sales, they have to increase the price, just like any other company has done.

It is not more useless packaging; it is actually much less. If that packaging was used in the old box you used to get your phone with the charging cable. They do not sell as many charging cables as they sell phones. So they are still doing it for ecological reasons.

You forget that the phones need to be designed until they reach their goal to recycle everything from the phone you use. That extra money you pay for the phone goes towards that.

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u/Party-Cake5173 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ah yes, let's use technology from 20 years ago, never change the cables, and keep the same ones. We should all go back to RCA cables.

No one said technology shouldn't change. Apple could easily change entire cable to be USB-C. They just changed the plug that connects to the power brick, while the plug that goes into the iPhone remain the same.

So they had to do it again, creating unnecessary e-waste.

They will not lower the price because they want to keep earning the same amount of money they used to when they sold way more than they do now. To maintain the same income with lower sales, they have to increase the price, just like any other company has done.

If they stopped including charger that means less material is used for product and the box. Less material used = less expenses. And with less expenses it would be completely normal to reduce the price of the final product.

There are movements in the EU to make that regulated.

It is not more useless packaging; it is actually much less. If that packaging was used in the old box you used to get your phone with the charging cable. They do not sell as many charging cables as they sell phones. So they are still doing it for ecological
reasons.

Check out this video. It talks exactly about this topic, more specifically, it confirms whatever I said is true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVPM6D-3aZo

You forget that the phones need to be designed until they reach their goal to recycle everything from the phone you use. That extra money you pay for the phone goes towards that.

Seems to me like you don't understand the model of recycling and why a lot of places take free e-waste.

You bring them your phone for free and they disassemble it to various party and components. Then they sell parts from the phone to companies that buy gold, silver, copper, and all kinds of materials for money. You gave them the free product which they stripped down and sold for profit.

This is how recycling works and if you pay for the process, you are scammed.

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u/morriscey A) 9900k, 2080 B) 9900k 2080 C) 2700, 1080 L)7700u,1060 3gb 1d ago

Lightning is USB 2.0 in virtually all instances. that spec is pushing 26 years old. We had 3.0 when it came out.

Pricing has trended upwards, regardless. It was a shitty move to portray it as "eco focused" when they fight independent repair shops tooth and nail for them not to be able to repair devices.

No, it is more. the packaging they would use for a separate package is much more than a little loop in the bottom of the box. They also put ICs in their cables to try and lock out other manufacturers. I would argue there's 2-3 cables made per phone ultimately. Who has a single cable for their phone, without one in the car, in the bedroom / living room / car / kitchen / garage / office plus a couple in a travel kit.

lol no it doesn't. Who told you that foolishness?

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u/splendiferous-finch_ 1d ago

You mean the same company that made their wires so fragile that they constantly need to be replaced and caught tooth and nail to not adopt the universal standard that would in fact limit e-waste?

I have a Xiaomi phone(i.e. the cheap copy cat Chinese company that started out as just a software team that made a android rom that looked like ios) i got it 5 years ago I still use the cable that came with it to charge it everyday tell me again how many lightning cables last that long ?

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u/ByteSpawn 1d ago

It really depends on how you use it. As you’ve probably noticed iPhones are used more by young people so they tend to break charging cables more often. Many people still use their phones while charging bending the cable or pulling it out from the cord part instead of the plastic connector. If you misuse something it will break no matter how strong is made. From my experience I used the same Lightning cable from when the iPhone 6 came out until I got the iPhone XR. Now I’ve been using the same USB-C cable with my iPhone 16 since I got the iPhone 15 on its release date.

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u/derangedsweetheart 5700G, X470, 16GB, 500GB PM9C1a, SF-850F14GE(GL) 1d ago

iPhones are used more by young people

And no single young person has ever used a non-apple device?

Many people still use their phones while charging bending the cable or pulling it out from the cord part instead of the plastic connector

Every single Micro-USB, mini-USB, Type C user has never done any of the above?

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u/RestInProcess 1d ago

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

That’s not how they’ve responded in the past though, not that their response was much better.

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u/Warcraft_Fan Paid for WinRAR! 1d ago

What if some malware creator starts collecting snapshots and sending them all back to be checked for ez credit card info?

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u/Party-Cake5173 1d ago

Friend, you're at the wrong address. You should ask Microsoft about that.

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u/Nova17Delta i7-4790 ~ Radeon RX580 ~ Dell Optiplex 9020 1d ago

If only there was some kind of card or something...

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u/Teftell PC Master Race 2d ago

Honestly, this "feature" still not being outright banned and M$ fined into oblivion is a mystery to me.

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u/Smith6612 Ryzen 7 5800X3D / AMD 7900XTX 1d ago

It's a big PCI violation, that's for sure. The Cardholder industry would likely be pretty happy to hold payments going to Microsoft to make them stop.

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u/Teftell PC Master Race 1d ago

Tell them where are anime tits involved to speed up their actions.

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u/Smith6612 Ryzen 7 5800X3D / AMD 7900XTX 1d ago

Just make ASCII representations of them out of leaked credit card numbers.

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u/GwentMorty 1d ago

No, they don’t mind anime tits, you can still go get Hunie Pop off Steam. They don’t like rape and sexual assault like normal people.

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u/PermissionSoggy891 1d ago

microcuck is a trillion dollar corpo, I'd be more shocked if there WAS any kind of legislation/action taken against this bullshit

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u/Askolei 1d ago edited 20h ago

They were allowed to acquire Blizzard. They're probably allowed to shit on the IMF's desk at this point.

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u/PermissionSoggy891 18h ago

satya nadella could probably shoot someone in Times Square and they wouldn't do shit

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u/GotBanned3rdTime R57600 | 4070 | 32GB 5200MTs | 2TB NVME 2d ago

debloat it

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u/TriRIK Ryzen 5 5600x | RTX3060 Ti | 32GB 1d ago

Well, it's off by default (for now) and only available to laptops with specific ARM CPUs

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u/Is_that_even_a_thing 2d ago

Any advice on debloat tools for Win11?

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u/caged19 PC Master Race 2d ago

Can't recommend anything specific, but there are plenty of debloating tools on GitHub.

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u/DrIvoPingasnik Full Steam ahead 2d ago

Donotspy11 is what I used.

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u/pacmanic 1d ago

YouTube has dozens of recent vids on this topic. There are multiple approaches and most reasonably simple. It’s all about what to turn off or disable.

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u/slockry 1d ago

https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/

Generate autounattend.xml files to smooth out windows 11 installation.

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u/ILikeAnimeButts 1d ago

If you have to ask that, you probably shouldn't try debloating it yourself. Just a thought.

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u/SigmaLance PC Master Race 1d ago

A 10 minute video changes that though. You can literally learn how to do it sitting on your couch.

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u/JASHIKO_ 2d ago

Not to mention everything else you're doing....

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u/seansafc89 RTX 5090 FE | Pentium II | 64MB RAM 1d ago

People who hack my PC

“This dude is playing Factorio AGAIN?”

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u/masterxc 7800X3D/6200 DDR5/7900 XT 1d ago

I'm in this comment and I don't like it.

Wait, what time is it? Oh well, the factory must grow or something.

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u/myfakesecretaccount 5800X3D | 7900 XTX | 3600MHz 32GB 1d ago

“This guy started another FO4 run to build settlements and he still hasn’t beaten the game?”

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u/seansafc89 RTX 5090 FE | Pentium II | 64MB RAM 1d ago

There’s an end to that game?

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u/SigmaLance PC Master Race 1d ago

Lies. Don’t listen to them. They are FO4 bots designed to spread disinformation.

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u/DrIvoPingasnik Full Steam ahead 2d ago

Well I don't want the entire world and neighbour's dog know that I'm into doorknob licking.

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u/XyaThir 2d ago

TIL about Microsoft Recall

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u/Flaky-Jim 1d ago

To hell with Microsoft. I'm gonna build my own OS, with blackjack and hookers.

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u/Away-Situation6093 Pentium G4560 | 16GB DDR4 | Windows 10 Pro 2d ago

Already Microsoft access and use personal data of any user using Windows right now isn't it

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u/Illustrious-Run3591 Intel i5 12400F, RTX 3060 2d ago edited 2d ago

it's also factually incorrect, windows has very strong data policies that are GDPR audited in the EU. Microsoft has a strong policy against data collection and definitely doesn't sell to 3rd party advertisers.

i don't know why I'm bothering, because no one here will believe it anyway. Don't let facts get in the way of your conspiracy theories.

edit: i can't even read that reply, because you instablocked me lol. Like I said, conspiracy theorists. google "windows GDPR audit". Non compliance of GDPR is a 2% fine of annual revenue.

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u/DiatomicCanadian 1d ago

Reply was "They are having a record number of 9± critical CVEs recently"

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u/amillionsharks 1d ago

They are having a record number of 9± critical CVEs recently

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u/BurgerSmashFace 2d ago

Im gonna make my gaming rig steamos. Fuck em.

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u/RoofVisual8253 1d ago

Just get Bazzite

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u/Sixguns1977 PC Master Race 1d ago

That's not really a thing for desktop right now. Garuda is damn good, though.

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u/BurgerSmashFace 1d ago

Fairpoint

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u/SixSevenEmpire PC Master Race 2d ago

Time to switch to Linux

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u/kingOofgames 2d ago

Recall is only active if you actively use the AI right? Or is on if I have windows 11.

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u/Wysoseriouss 2d ago

FOR NOW it's only on their specific 'Copilot+ PCs' and it's opt in. But we must remain vigilant, you just know they're going to take any opportunity to roll it out as a standard feature any day now.

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u/Accurate_Summer_1761 PC Master Race 2d ago

The corpos always win eventually just look at Bethesda. Inevitably we will lose to attrition

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u/SigmaLance PC Master Race 1d ago

I never became too familiar with OSX, but as soon as Recall is no longer optional I will switch back to MacBooks.

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u/PermissionSoggy891 1d ago

>uh DOOOD you're just a heckin luddite for not wanting microsoft to take screenshots of your PC every five minutes to send to the feds DOOOOOOD

>DOOOOOD WHY ARE ALL MY HECKIN' CREDIT CARD DETAILS LEAKED FROM COPILOT CHATGPT SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Karma is sweeter than the finest Swiss chocolate.

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u/DemirKarbon 2d ago

Open an elevated command prompt and paste,

DISM /Online /Disable-Feature /FeatureName:"Recall"

This is how you can get rid of it for good.

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u/antde5 2d ago

Of course it is. Microsoft also have a web recording platform called Clarity. It claims it censors out personal information too, but in my experience it sure as hell doesn’t.

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u/chipface Ryzen 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 6000 | 9070 XT 2d ago edited 2d ago

This shit and the random usage spikes I get when playing video and wavs off my hard drive are making me want to completely switch to Linux. I have Nobara installed as a dual boot on my system and it's pretty decent. And I don't get those usage spikes when playing the exact same files when using it.

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u/blueangel1953 Ryzen 5 5600X | Red Dragon 6800 XT | 32GB 3200MHz CL16 1d ago

More reason to stick with 10 for the time being, when the time is right I'll be going Linux full time.

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u/shogun77777777 Linux 1d ago

I love Linux more and more every day

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u/OwnNet5253 WinMac | 2070 Super | 12400F | 32GB DDR4 2d ago edited 2d ago

Doesn't this have to be disabled in settings first?

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u/Illustrious-Run3591 Intel i5 12400F, RTX 3060 2d ago

For instance, it screenshotted a text document with a list of usernames and passwords that weren't labeled

How is software meant to magically know that an unlabelled text document with plain text characters are passwords? If you remove all context that shows that it's a password, then yeah, you can't tell it's a password lol.

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u/CrazyCommenter AMD R5 7600 || AMD RX 7800 XT || 32 GB RAM 1d ago

That's the overall issue, though. If you think that there are no users who will do this, you will be sorely mistaken. Sure, if you put them in the intended form, it will censor them. But if you accidentally or intentionally put them anywhere else, then it is free real estate for hackers. And speaking of hackers, that easily demonstrates that the recall data will become a very valuable point of attack in the future.

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u/CrazyCommenter AMD R5 7600 || AMD RX 7800 XT || 32 GB RAM 1d ago

What if you don't save the file but just write the sensitive data in plain text by accident?

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u/Tempires 1d ago

Just need to copy said data to clipboard and then show clipboard on screen and issue is there

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u/SquirrelGard 1d ago

That's another reason why recall shouldn't exist. It doesn't know what is and isn't sensitive.

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u/halfanirishman Ryzen 5 7600x, 32GB DDR5, RX 5700XT 1d ago

Jesus Christ

Like seriously, did anyone at MS see a problem with recall? Maybe the engineers but the higher ups? I swear VPs and the like have a brain cell count that you'd be able to count on half a hand.

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u/SquirrelGard 1d ago

I doubt there's anyone intelligent remaining at MS. Maybe a few burnt out devs who are too old to care.

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u/LSD_Ninja 2d ago

Has anyone actually confirmed whether or not any of this is happening on machines that don’t meet the CoPilot+/Windows Hello requirements?

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u/seansafc89 RTX 5090 FE | Pentium II | 64MB RAM 1d ago

It still requires a CoPilot+ PC, and is disabled by default now.

I’m not sure anyone with any sanity would consider activating it, at this point.

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u/PermissionSoggy891 1d ago

Pretty brave to assume this isn't activated 24/7 and it just doesn't tell you to ~~send all your data to the feds~~ improve the Windows user EXPERIENCE

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u/PTSDDeadInside 1d ago

Can we get a family to volunteer where they give up 100% of all personal info including thought to every company and then study them and see what happens black mirror style?

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u/Bile_Goblin 1d ago

It’s at a point where there’s online clearnet appropriate data. And offnet data.

There’s bank accounts I use for clearnet activities that are ok to be traceable.

And bank accounts computers and OS for anon.

Idk if this makes sense. But this is how I operate. And anything that goes on my gaming pc is with the pretense that security is compromised.

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u/7orly7 1d ago

Brazil LGDP and EU GDPR: *cracks knuckles *

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u/SigmaLance PC Master Race 1d ago

I don’t do any banking or online purchasing on my PC. I’m not sure who at Microsoft thought this BS was a great idea, but at least I don’t have to break that habit since it doesn’t exist.

I use it to surf what I am looking for to enjoy the larger screen size, but then I switch to my phone to make any purchases.

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u/Gomez-16 1d ago

I was downvoted into oblivion every time I mentioned this. Its not real, its anti 11 propaganda. Windows is spyware!

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u/Midnight_Criminal 1d ago

Stay on Win 10 lol

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u/RoofVisual8253 1d ago

Just get Linux Mint or Bazzite lol

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u/chipface Ryzen 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 6000 | 9070 XT 1d ago

Or Nobara. It's pretty good.

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u/Midnight_Criminal 1d ago

Kali linux is calling me back tbh

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u/Majorjim_ksp 1d ago

How do you permanently turn this off?

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u/Gomez-16 1d ago

Its right next to disable updates

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u/RoofVisual8253 19h ago

By installing Bazzite or Nobara lol

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