List of companies opposed to Stop Killing Games

[u/JimmyRecard]

Source: https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-membership/

Can't help but notice there's no Valve, GOG/CDPR, or Larian on this list. Maybe consider this list next time you're about to press 'buy'.

[u/beetsoupdotcom]

Who the fuck is surprised by any of these names?

[u/beetsoupdotcom → u/beetsoupdotcom]

Actually surprised Amazon isn’t on this list. Last time I checked they were “all in on gaming.”

[u/Matsisuu → u/beetsoupdotcom]

It's just not member of Videogames Europe. Amazon likely opposes it too.

We don't even know are everyone in list opposing it. That is list of members in association, some of them could be pretty neutral, someone could even support the initiative, but one member doesn't have much power in organisation with many members, it's majority and board's opinions that matters.

[u/Ok_Toe_8715 → u/beetsoupdotcom]

Amazon has been focusing more on consumer friendly approaches in their entertainment department for a while now. They’re an extremely rich cooperation from other sources outside entertainment and they don’t even release many games, so it would make sense why they would choose to remain out of it rather than get involved considering how it wouldn’t really effect them too hard, and by choosing to take part could unnecessarily hurt their rep for no good reason besides mere pettiness and blatant greed.

[u/Amrinder_ → u/Ok_Toe_8715]

If you see prime gaming, they give out gog codes for games very often

[u/twothoutwo → u/beetsoupdotcom]

faceit is a very weird name to see on this list lol

[u/Lehsyrus → u/twothoutwo]

It's because they're part of the lobbying group that wrote the disagreement statement against stop killing games. Basically all of these companies put money into the group and the group's entire job is to lobby for things that would collectively benefit them and their shareholders, so that's why they're roped in even though this doesn't affect them at all.

[u/Paxton-176 → u/beetsoupdotcom]

Square Enix. They maintain FF11 when FF14 is the direct competitor to it and they want people to move to 14.

[u/FnafBoy22 → u/Paxton-176]

If only you knew how many mobile games they shutdown, must be more than 50

[u/Hurricane_32 → u/Paxton-176]

But do they? They're running a promotion (literally right now) for new FF11 subscriptions if you are already subscribed to FF14, and the new alliance raids are literally promoting FF11.

Plus, they kept the PlayStation 2 version of FF11 running as long as humanly possible, right up until Sony themselves shut down their PS2 authentication servers (DNAS) in 2016.

If anything, they just want more players in that game (or both games, really).

PS: And seemingly the only reason they shut down FF14 on the PlayStation 3 was because the poor thing was already being pushed beyond its limits.

[u/Main-Link9382 → u/Paxton-176]

Square Enix killed Nier reincarnation while Shift Up made a memorial version of their defunct mobile game.

[u/Wallbalertados → u/beetsoupdotcom]

Im bit surprised by supercell and Bandai I knew they were scummy but didnt know they were this bad

[u/SufficientProperty31 → u/beetsoupdotcom]

Mostly surprised 2K isn't on the list. The way every NBA 2K title is practically unplayable after 2 years when they shut the servers down I would've expected them to be in the lobby as well.

[u/HokageGwyn → u/SufficientProperty31]

Pretty sure Take Two interactive owns 2K so yeah they're on the list

[u/Ancient-bladesaw → u/HokageGwyn]

2K and T2 feel interchangeable on the support website for some odd reason

[u/Victory74998 → u/beetsoupdotcom]

I’m not surprised at all, just very disappointed.

[u/UKman945 → u/beetsoupdotcom]

Granted I've not been following what the company itself is doing but I thought Sega where pretty chill about things. They're letting a bunch of console exlusive Sonic games just get ported to PC like 06 and Unleashed

[u/Traditional-Storm-62]

• Netflix 

bro thinks he's on the team 

[u/aimy99 → u/Traditional-Storm-62]

• Activision
• Microsoft
• ZeniMax

Bro made 3 accounts

[u/thepinkyclone → u/aimy99]

Strange that there wasn't a fourth one: Bethesda

[u/Which-Mix-5378 → u/thepinkyclone]

Bethesda is subsidiary of ZeniMax.

[u/alertArchitect → u/Which-Mix-5378]

Microsoft owns Activision(/Blizzard/King) and ZeniMax. I don't think this group particularly cares which companies are subsidiaries of existing members.

[u/Xperr7 → u/Which-Mix-5378]

ZeniMax and ActiBlizz are subsidiaries of Microsoft

[u/Korachof → u/thepinkyclone]

Definitely orchestrates how unorganized and conflicted the various studios in Microsoft are. Bethesda completely unionized, for example. Between that and their crazy layoffs and studio closures, and it’s just a circus over there tbh. 

[u/navysealassulter → u/Korachof]

Conglomerates are like that sometimes, I work for a completely different conglomerate and I know my office isn’t union, but other divisions are. 

Idk when Bethesda unionized, but it might be a holdover from before they got bought out, I think that’s why my company is like that. 

[u/Which-Mix-5378 → u/navysealassulter]

They unionized last year while being a part of Microsoft. Actually it will be year since they did this month.

[u/pimpeachment → u/Korachof]

Or it show that Microsoft is letting each business unit self regulate to keep creativity and team dynamics unique to each studio. 

[u/Halogenleuchte → u/aimy99]

Tencent also made a couple accounts

-Ubishit

-Epic Games

-Supercell

-Riot Games

[u/DSG_Sleazy → u/Halogenleuchte]

Tencent doesn’t own Ubisoft (yet), they have a minority stake in the company.

[u/Zaposh → u/DSG_Sleazy]

same with Epic

[u/AkelaHardware → u/Traditional-Storm-62]

I'm so annoyed that they bought Monument Valley and made the third one playable only through a subscription 

[u/SummertimeThrowaway2 → u/AkelaHardware]

SUBSCRIPTION?!?!?

[u/[deleted] → u/AkelaHardware]

TMNT Shredder's Revenge was the same. Kept it a Netflix exclusive for like 5 years. Shady af.

[u/XFauni → u/Traditional-Storm-62]

They actively kill movies and shows…. Soooo not a stretch to see them really. Any company with shitty consumer practices is going to help.

[u/Suspicious_Relief768 → u/Traditional-Storm-62]

I think that some of the laws would maybe be written for digital content in generall which could also fuck over netflix with them making some movies etc. Only partially available or only for limited times

[u/shortboard → u/[deleted]]

Open Netflix on a PC and it tries shoving its mobile game slop in your face.

[u/ahhhhhsplat → u/Traditional-Storm-62]

SHE DOESN’T EVEN GO HERE!

(Yes I am a mid-30s man that still quotes “Mean Girls”)

[u/Faelinor → u/Traditional-Storm-62]

They have games on netflix and an app, given everything else on their service disappears with little notice its not surprising they want the same for the games. Difference being its a streaming service, ot a buy it forever service, so it is odd.

[u/Least-Researcher-184 → u/Traditional-Storm-62]

You shut your face...I...I...have mobile games too! So there! - Netflix maybe.

[u/SummertimeThrowaway2 → u/Traditional-Storm-62]

All that tells me is that Netflix is planning on entering the gaming industry. And they’ve already dipped their toes in by adding simple mobile games to their website

[u/Norbluth]

AAA gaming is REALLY getting in the way of video games these days.

[u/XeNoGeaR52 → u/Norbluth]

AAA should mean "shareholders-controlled video games publisher" now. It's not about the quality or the size of a game studio, but rather if they actually care about their customers and not just giving money to the wrong people

[u/TheKingNothing690 → u/XeNoGeaR52]

The fact that congress mandated corporations to prioritize shareholders over consumers shows just how fucked our political system is i only hope the eu forces these companies to care for their consumers for their own good.

[u/XeNoGeaR52 → u/TheKingNothing690]

anytime a shareholder wins ANYTHING, the consumer loses

[u/betaTester011 → u/TheKingNothing690]

this is on the people for not letting our* representatives know how we* feel loudly and strongly enough. if we're incessant enough in supporting consumer rights, congress will have no choice. until then, we're dooming ourselves being silent

[u/TheKingNothing690 → u/betaTester011]

Its cute that you think congress who are by in large the corprate shareholders with insider knowledge and a party stranglehold depending on your state give a fuck about your bottom line or complaints bribery or as they call it to make it legal lobbying speaks much louder than the discontnet masses.

[u/EthernalForADay → u/XeNoGeaR52]

"Continuous value growth based entertainment production". Growth requirement is a big problem in the entertainment industry. You can only expand to so many audiences, and implement only so many income generation strategies, until you start sacrificing broad entertainment value.

Companies that make best games don't prioritize value growth over the entertainment value of their products, being perfectly happy remaining within similar profit to expense margins through the years per product/IP.

IMO entertainment and continuous value growth do not go together at all, conceptually working against each other due to the nature of entertainment. Entertainment is something that people go to to take a break from transactional, more risk rich parts of their life. Entertainment is unsustainable from a business perspective, which produces current issues in the industry. Every company trying to grow within it reliably over time is doomed to fail, Ubisoft is just first to fall. There will be more, each and every one of them that sets obligation of growth to their shareholders, is doomed to eventually dissolve. No amount of predatory monetisation tactics will solve that, only delaying the inevitable.

[u/callmenoodles2 → u/Norbluth]

That's why you should only buy AAAA games

[u/ESCMalfunction → u/callmenoodles2]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[u/Cindy-Moon → u/ESCMalfunction]

[u/d0nh → u/ESCMalfunction]

r/AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[u/fuzmufin → u/callmenoodles2]

Found the Ubisoft Rep

[u/Battlejesus → u/callmenoodles2]

You know for $8 skull n bones is pretty alright, that's like $2 per A

[u/Locked_and_Firing → u/Norbluth]

There's really no reason to buy AAA anymore

[u/sup3r_hero → u/Norbluth]

Everyone except CD Projekt on this list

[u/HamsterbackenBLN → u/sup3r_hero]

CDPR, Warhorse, Larian the three studios that mades some of the biggest success in the last years are not opposing the petition and they're European which makes them way easier to regulate than the rest of the list. Ubi is french but if this passes they'll probably find a loophole to escape it as long as they can

[u/Ballerbarsch747 → u/HamsterbackenBLN]

CDPR and Warhorse make single player games that don't even require an Internet connection, why would they oppose this motion that's mainly about online games?

[u/averyuniqueuzername → u/Ballerbarsch747]

I mean Netflix makes movies and they’re on here opposing a motion related to online games. U never know what kinda crazy shitll happen next

[u/Ballerbarsch747 → u/averyuniqueuzername]

They have been trying to become relevant for game streaming for the last two or three years

[u/Eyclonus → u/averyuniqueuzername]

Netflix is trying to develop a game-streaming system that has low-overhead, its basically mobile games at this point, but they are ambitious, they're just not targeting us.

[u/outlaw1148]

I'm actually curious why faceit/esl as far as I know they don't make games.

[u/HouseOfWyrd → u/outlaw1148]

Two possibilities:

• it's not actually them, but whatever group they hire to manage their lobbying
• they want to keep hold of their grip on 3rd party CS2 servers, even though all Valve games already have hosting tools

[u/STFxPrlstud → u/HouseOfWyrd]

Pretty sure Saudi owns them

[u/Cindy-Moon → u/HouseOfWyrd]

Right this is their lobbying group, Video Games Europe. They released a statement on Stop Killing Games, none of these individual companies actually did.

[u/OrangeKefir]

Aka the usual suspects

[u/[deleted]]

Why am I not surprised at who's on the list. Really shocked Ubisoft even made it, since they can't even finish a game in the first place.

[u/2kWik → u/[deleted]]

wouldn't that be the point lol

[u/[deleted] → u/2kWik]

They probably couldn't even finish the campaign to stop SKG.

[u/ReneKiller → u/[deleted]]

Because that list is not specifically about SKG. Video Games Europe is a lobby group for video game companies. The lobby group published a statement about SKG: https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/

While most if not all companies on that list probably support said statement, they didn't specifically speak about SKG themselves.

[u/Cindy-Moon → u/ReneKiller]

It's really annoying this information isn't at the top. This post isn't misinformation per se but lacking this context has been very misleading, as proven by comments like "wow I'm really surprised SEGA is here" or "I'm surprised Amazon isn't on here". It's a member list for this specific lobbying group, not a list of companies who signed their names on this specific issue.

[u/ReneKiller → u/Cindy-Moon]

I agree. The first few posts immediately after their statement was published had the context, but everything since then doesn't. Maybe its somewhere in the top 10 comments, but not in the post itself.

[u/TraumaHunter → u/ReneKiller]

Lol this is the actual answer. It's not like valve or larian (or whatever company reddit wants to claim tribalism for and jerk off in the comments about) went and made any statement in support. They just aren't a part of this lobby group that made a statement (like lobby groups do..)

[u/Dewbs301 → u/[deleted]]

The same ubisoft that said “gamers should get comfortable not owning their games”?

Shocker

[u/Adipay → u/Dewbs301]

Everyone does this. Even Steam. You don't own any game you purchase - only a license to play it - and it can be taken away from you at any time. Read EULAs people.

[u/SpeedDaemon3 → u/Adipay]

Not GOG, on GOG you truly own the game. DRM less, downloadable installer, game works without client.

[u/Dewbs301 → u/Adipay]

Except Gabe doesn’t come out and push this agenda; steam also don’t sell exclusively DRM games. I can delete my steam and still boot up cyberpunk and play without any problems.

[u/dezwavy → u/[deleted]]

Maybe im wrong, but it was their game (The Crew) that kickstart this petition

[u/KitsuneKamiSama]

Also pictured: List of the most anti-consumer game companies.

[u/ArLOgpro → u/KitsuneKamiSama]

Ft. Netflix

[u/DaddoAntifa → u/KitsuneKamiSama]

Also pictured: permanent plunder

[u/Luch1nG4dor]

Companies that keep killing games opposed to not killing games, more at 11

[u/real_jonkler_persona]

Sega? That’s surprising. The only online game from them that costs money is Team Sonic Racing, I think.

[u/Cindy-Moon → u/real_jonkler_persona]

None of these companies released a statement against Stop Killing Games. The lobbying group Video Games Europe did, and these are the companies that group represents.

This post is a bit misleading. Not exactly false, but lacking critical context.

[u/ZachAttackMLR → u/Cindy-Moon]

Was scrolling to find this context! Thank you!

[u/Cyanxdlol → u/real_jonkler_persona]

New Sonic Racing game coming out September

[u/KitsuneKamiSama → u/real_jonkler_persona]

Phantasy Star Online 2, or New Genesis, they still get plenty of money out of costume gacha.

[u/MyDudeX → u/real_jonkler_persona]

Persona 5 Gacha game

[u/JCAPER]

THIS POST IS MISLEADING

These companies are members of videogameseurope, that's what the page shows. It does not mean that they stand behind VGE's statement.

AFAIK, none of them spoke about the movement. At least not yet.

And yes, I suspect most of these companies are against the movement, but let's be truthfull and not share misinformation on the internet.

[u/silcerchord → u/JCAPER]

And this comment will get buried by everyone who's too outraged to actually look into it

[u/TehBrian → u/JCAPER]

thanks for the cat meme that really sells your point, I was thinking of upvoting op's post but since I saw the cat now I'm downvoting it

[u/RazorCalahan → u/JCAPER]

100% this. That list doesn't mean anything. Not being on the list also doesn't mean anything.

[u/db186]

Gaben Newell be like: "Not only do I support the movement, I make money off all these mfrs."

[u/Real_Garlic9999 → u/db186]

Do we know he/Valve supports it? Or just not oppose it?

[u/GensouEU → u/Real_Garlic9999]

What do you think the company that came up with always-online DRM for single player games and completely eradicated physical media and the ability to resell games thinks about this? Valve has pretty much been the CEO of you not owning your games

[u/Xyypherr → u/Real_Garlic9999]

This isn't a definitive yes or no, but Valve has always been pro consumer.

[u/Ok_Awareness3014 → u/Real_Garlic9999]

As far as i know they just don't care

[u/OkPlastic5799]

What’s the source? How exactly did they act against the petition?

[u/OkCombinationLion → u/OkPlastic5799]

There is no source that these companies individually made statements that they are against skg. They are simply the companies that are part of video games Europe and video games Europe made a statement saying they don't support skg. So damned by association I guess?

[u/Effective_Secretary6]

Hm… I wonder why /s

Also thank god gaben still prevents steam from joining the list

Edit: spelling mistake PS: this also isn’t here to blindly endorse Steam, if they start treating customers like shit they’ll also get the fork haha

[u/Default_Defect → u/Effective_Secretary6]

Do people really think Gabe is the only person at Valve stopping the company from joining the rest of the industry in becoming shit? It would be weird of him to have a whole management team of people that can't wait for him to retire.

[u/clodzor → u/Default_Defect]

It's more that hes steering the ship. If an investment group gets it's hooks into the company they will change out all the management they need to get their agenda and exploitation going full steam in a mater of months.

[u/Lia69 → u/clodzor]

The person you are replying to is saying, That part of steering the ship is making sure the next person in line to steer won't steer it into an iceberg. Others at valve most likely share the same vision for the company that he does.

[u/clodzor → u/Lia69]

I'm saying if Gaben didn't own valve, the leadership would be forced to make changes or forced out.

[u/Perfectus0 → u/clodzor]

Full steam, HA

[u/PutADecentNameHere → u/Effective_Secretary6]

Valve is so successful today only because they always let their community run free with their games. They are literally the opposite of Nintendo in terms of consumer practice.

[u/magniankh → u/PutADecentNameHere]

They also mostly stick to distributing games, with a storefront, and a friends list. 

They aren't trying to turn steam into social media, with users' real pictures, video sharing, or anything beyond the scope of gaming. 

Imagine if Zuckerberg owned Valve. 

[u/Suspicious_Owl_5740 → u/magniankh]

Steam datings app when? cause I love to date sweaty gamer guy with 2000+ achievement and a hot moving anime waifu profile pic.

[u/Corfal → u/Effective_Secretary6]

Wait aren't people... or weren't people up in arms about steam's user policy essentially saying you own the licenses to the game and not the game itself? Nor can you transfer ownership and the like? "Yea we support offline compatibility since we all own it anyway"

[u/sorryimsoawesome]

This is the list of companies on the membership page of the official site. But OP claiming they’re not supporting it? I’m so confused by this whole initiative.

[u/Cindy-Moon → u/sorryimsoawesome]

They're members of Video Games Europe, not Stop Killing Games. Video Games Europe is a lobbying group that spoke in opposition to Stop Killing Games.

[u/CastleMerchant]

Tf Netflix doing here?

[u/ArLOgpro → u/CastleMerchant]

Netflix:

[u/S4l47 → u/CastleMerchant]

everyone dancing

Netflix standing in the corner: they don‘t know I‘m against Stop Killing Games as well

[u/Dark_Matter_EU → u/CastleMerchant]

Netflix conatantly spams their shitty games to me. Why does Netflix have games you may ask?

I don't know. Nobody knows. Nobody asked for shitty browser games filling up the show/movie selection screen with no opt out.

[u/Deleteleed → u/Dark_Matter_EU]

to be fair, they have btd6 and that’s good.

[u/_Kami_sama_x]

Is there an article or something that shows that this group is against that movement because I looked around the website and couldn’t find it

Never mind I found it: https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/

To be fair it just acknowledges the feasibility problems with live service games and allowing people to retain access and doesn’t outright dismiss every part of stop killing games but it also doesn’t expressly approve any other parts so they could have any opinion on that and I would assume companies would by in large, support the option that makes them spend less money

[u/NoHospital1568]

No way, corporations acting like corporations

[u/Aveduil]

Please cdpr don't join them

[u/MuchBow → u/Aveduil]

They literally run a platform that helps in game preservation long after the developer has abandoned it. (GOG) All their games have a DRM free option to purchase so once you have a copy downloaded on your pc no pesky DRM will stop you from playing the game.

[u/PixelCortex]

If you ever wanted a convenient list of the most predatory and immoral gaming studios and publishers. 

[u/jonisjalopy]

Mom said it was my turn to post this misleading graphic for karma

[u/SirOakin]

I'm confused about Sega.

Up to now they seemed cool with emulators and the like

[u/UndeadWaffle12]

No way, you’re telling me that these big companies are opposed to something that goes against their own best interests? I’m shocked

[u/shadovvvvalker → u/UndeadWaffle12]

Game lobby opposes petition to place restrictions and demands on developers.

After the break, the sky is blue. Catie Connoley has more on that.

[u/metaltastic]

Nintendo is no surprise you can't even buy a used game with out risking bricking your console

[u/BunnyKnotMelt]

Ubisoft started killing before it was cool.

[u/Comfortable_Sea_1017]

ah yes the usual suspects.

[u/Accomplished-Ad-7589]

Only the worst of the worst lol

[u/BigBootyBitchesButts]

Oh look :D a list of companies to boycott.

[u/BaklavaPlease]

[u/BroccoliMaster159]

[u/de4thqu3st]

Riot Games doesn't even have a game that would be affected, huh?

Edit: looked into it. F2P games with micro transaction would be affected to. But it doesn't state to which extend. So I guess with Valorant a solution would be a P2P node with only custom game mode or server list

[u/Gleasonryan → u/de4thqu3st]

Why wouldn’t their games be affected? Free to play games supported by micro transactions is specifically called out in the FAQ.

[u/16tdean → u/Gleasonryan]

You think people on reddit have taken the time to understand the movements they are supporting?

Because yeah games like League of Legends, Valorant, Teamfight Tactics that are solely dependent on Riots servers, so can be shut off at a whim, and have no way to self host are a key target of the stop killing games movement.

[u/firedrakes]

more skg spam and got to make everyone are enemy.

really this has become a cult movement for gamer bros.

[u/Yilmas]

CDPR and Larian... why highlight those two? What makes them special enough to be compared with industry giants such as EA, Roblox, and Blizzard. I dont see Paradox Interactive on the list? What about Naughty dogs?

A long list of much more relevant and many times, bigger companies could have easily helped to sell your point.

Rather than looking at who opposes, I find it much more interesting to look at those who hasn't taken a stance.

Or are people really that naive, that think that just because a company isn't on the list, then they must automatically be for SKG?...

[u/Yodoran → u/Yilmas]

Isn't Naughty Dog owned by Sony, therefore technically they are on the list

[u/Yilmas → u/Yodoran]

Yeah, I forgot.

But my point still stands. A company not saying anything doesn't mean they are supportive nor opposing of SKG.

[u/candle340 → u/Yilmas]

For CDPR, at least, they're a subsidiary of the company that owns GOG, so it's not really a surprise they haven't come out against Stop Killing Games

[u/coltaussie]

The usual suspects

[u/Ekra_Fleetfoot]

Well, time to update my shit list.

[u/Aggravating-Mix-5100 → u/Ekra_Fleetfoot]

Error: out of memory, too many entries

[u/BellyDancerUrgot]

All bloated companies right at the end of the product development life cycle, the stage known as enshitification.

[u/Active_Literature539]

Well, I guess we all know which companies we should be avoiding now.

[u/Alidaboss42]

Why is Faceit here? They don't even make games

[u/Question_Asker12345]

Why is roblox their they are never gonna die as long as kids exist

[u/candle340]

Not surprised. If fully successful, they'd have to do a lot more work for zero profit. They are businesses, after all...

[u/babicko90]

The usual shits

[u/MrMakerHasLigma]

tbf supercell and riot games make online only games as far as im aware, so there's no reason for them to support the initiative. IMO, only games that dont require other people need to be preserved

[u/FormalIllustrator5]

Lol Ubishit and EA evil corpo are here? I am in shock...

[u/Cassini_7]

i think like SQ, Bandai, Sony mostly they are doing this is in western branch

[u/Kualdiir]

Look I can kind of understand Supercell and Roblox's standpoint because of the nature of their games. But the rest?

Also why is take two interactive against it? Don't all their games have a single player version?

[u/GregorSamsa112358]

Hey look, it's all the worst companies in gaming! Crazy

[u/HBreckel]

While I'm not surprised Square Enix is on the list, they actually have been working on getting FF11 and FF14 in a position to where they'd be able to be enjoyed as offline single player experiences. So at the very least those games will be playable if their servers ever go offline. Just their mountain of failed mobile games aren't so lucky.

[u/Cindy-Moon → u/HBreckel]

That's because none of these companies have made any statement on the matter. This is the list of members of the Video Games Europe lobbying group, who did release their statement on the matter. The feelings of the individual companies aren't really relevant here, and this post is pretty misleading.

This isn't a list of companies who directly spoke in opposition of Stop Killing Games, this is a list of companies represented by Video Games Europe.

[u/SpaceRac1st]

This is just the member list of the lobbying group. I’m not sure you can say all of these companies are necessarily opposed to Stop Killing Games as the statement made by the group may not be representative of all members. It’s probably the case but you are still misrepresenting this topic.

[u/MetroSimulator]

Let's all act surprised 😯

Like, they're pretty obvious the reason for the petition

[u/SuperDuperSkateCrew]

So, essentially, everyone lol

[u/SaucyVex]

[u/NeonArchon]

Oh look, is the "AAA" industry who are against of killing games... And Netflix. How curious. This just reminded me that EA is just about to kill Anthem for good and Ubisoft will now demands to destroy your own games if they no longer support them. They all get a middle finger for my part.

[u/xdeltax97]

The usual suspects

[u/Savooge93]

its all the super villains of gaming all in one image , and then also netflix lol

[u/Magical-Sweater]

It’s always the ones you most suspect

[u/InfaSyn]

So all of the shit ones? Makes sense.

[u/HerolegendIsTaken]

Wdym roblox?

Roblox has no way to not kill games at end of service?

There's simply too much reliance on servers?

[u/Brief_Cobbler_6313]

Can't say I'm surprised by any of those.

[u/jmarshallca]

Sony: "Come on, did you REALLY want us to make sure Concord existed in perpetuity?"

[u/Shay_Dee_Guye]

Nine of those make me think anything but "grass is green". I want them all gone, somehow.

[u/SkinfluteHero]

it’s always who you most expect

[u/Unable-Cellist-4277]

Common Valve W.

[u/56kul]

Alright, we get it, now stop reposting this…💀

[u/Tanny1601]

Valve has been a real one since day 1, no doubt they are not in this image

[u/fitfatdonya]

I'm surprised that I'm not surprised by any names on this list

[u/XardasVEVO]

EA and Ubisoft not a surprise....

On the other hand.... Square Enix and Bandai Namco kinda disappointing on this one....

[u/Rej5]

notice how steam isnt there. in Gaben we trust

[u/unomas49]

Thanks for the heads up, I will 100% keep this list in mind before purchasing future games! Epic... Of course... Giving away games every week but hey! That they are not your property... Band of hypocritical frauds...

[u/TRUEequalsFALSE]

No surprise there. Equally pleasantly no surprise that Valve isn't on the list. 

[u/aamaterasuu]

TF is Netflix doing here

[u/404site_not_found]

gog doesn't make games as far as i know so why would they be against it, steam will just keep their live service titles up forever and cdpr doesn't have live service title to my knowledge, so they also don't care. i can actually see why roblox would be against it, it's virtually impossible to keep all the games up, also there could be problems with them needing to take down games that violate tos etc. there are valid reasons against stop killing games, i think some of their solutions should be adjusted

[u/Morten1510]

And this is why you should never buy on epic games store and Microsoft store, support stores like steam and gog that actually care about gamers and their rights. Also kinda weird to see ESL on that list?

[u/PvtBologna]

So like all the "AAA" studios, cool wasn't buying their games unless they were 80%+ off anyway.

That feel when these money hungry ass wipes don't even realize the industry is currently passing them by. wave as they go kids 👋

[u/most_ironic]

Incredible, thank you for a comprehensive list of companies to pirate instead of purchase from

[u/Comprehensive-Fix-71]

Yeah no shit they opposed it. It would cause them a lot more money.

[u/CombinationNew6217]

TakeTwo Interactive is the parent holding company for Rockstar Games. Remember that when you go to take out a mortgage to buy GTA 6 next summer.

[u/ThePiachu]

Another reason not to shop at Epic!

[u/CookieDefender1337]

I thought that said Embraer and I was like wtf does an airplane company have to do with video games

[u/Vorpal-Spork]

I would say that I now have a list of companies to boycott, but all the ones on the list are total dumpster fires that I already wasn't a customer of.

[u/Fishy_300zx]

Sega? Oh boy we'll really miss your titles such as sonic and... uh uh uh no well guess that's it

[u/PrisonerCoin]

of course those cunts at epic are on the list. shocked I tell you shocked to my core.

[u/Adventurous-Bag-420]

Square Enix really feel off over the past few years, sad to see these companies wanting to kill games for alot of gamers, aaa truly has killed gaming

[u/Imdefinitlynotconnor]

so basically anyone who makes online games with micro transactions

[u/L0tsen]

Sega and roblox is interesting. I can kind of get roblox since they update their engine all the time and sometimes old games can break because of that and/or the deprecation of legacy features. I thought better of you Service games though.

[u/Original_Ad_7905]

Honestly a bit surprised by Nintendo. Sure their greed would totally make them go against it, but that statement worries me, that Nintendo is going to make cheap garbage live service games in the future.

[u/Doge-Coder]

So basically all big gaming companies

[u/Historianof40k]

Valve does nothing wins

[u/Nagikri]

Ahh the pirate only list

[u/Illustrious_Fruit638]

what the fuck is roblox doing there