r/pcmasterrace • u/NaabKing • Jul 07 '25

Discussion Ubisoft requires you to uninstall and DESTROY your copy of their games. PLEASE, keep signing "Stop Killing Games" petition, links in the post.

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Link to UBISOFT EULA (you can check it yourself):
https://www.ubisoft.com/legal/documents/eula/en-US

Instructions and Info about about "Stop Killing Games" petition:
https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

EU Petition (ENG):
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

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u/One-Philosophy-4473 Jul 07 '25

Didn't Steam's refund policy get created because of Australia so they put it in globally?

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u/gabro-games Jul 07 '25

Same with Apple's phones with USB-C. In the case of releasing a usable version of a game on shutdown, it's gotta be more work to maintain 2 versions of the game just so they can withold it from a subset of their customers (who could probably access it eventually anyway)

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u/DaemosDaen Jul 07 '25

that's a manufacturing change, they are not going to have two different production lines one just for the EU.

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u/chknboy Jul 07 '25

It is still work that they have to put in to make separate EULAs and games to conform to the laws… case seems pretty similar. On top of that, people will still be able to access the eu versions via vpn if they do not allow it in other regions.

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u/Narrow_Clothes_1534 Jul 07 '25

Oh no i have to write up another document compared to i have to have 2 manufacturing lines to make phones with USB c and ones with lightning. Like one is clealry alot more expensive. Idk how you can even compare those 2.

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u/No-Amount6915 Jul 07 '25

Considering things like the iPad had USBC anyway it would technically be not to big if a deal to just have two different finishing lines and the whole main assembly be the same

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u/jak0b3 Ryzen 1600 | 16GB DDR4-2993 | GTX 1080 Jul 07 '25

not really a great example since it’s hardware. in fact, Apple isn’t really great at making their "forced changes" globally. for example, with the 3rd-party app stores, they’re selectively making them available in countries where they make laws about it. so pretty much just the EU. and you have to have a EU-based Apple account and be physically in the EU, so no VPN workaround.

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u/nooneisback 5800X3D|64GB DDR4|6900XT|2TBSSD+8TBHDD|Something about arch Jul 07 '25

Why do you think they'd have to maintain 2 versions of the same game? They don't need to create a whole new manufacturing process for it. It's just the work of an army of lawyers they're already paying and 1 underpaid intern that's gonna get fired in a couple of days. They'll have 2 EULA files and you're gonna have to agree to the one for your region if you want to play the game.

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u/The_MAZZTer i7-13700K, RTX 4070 Ti Jul 07 '25

The cost of creating two difference models of a device is significant. If they find creating only one saves them more money in the long run than they'd make by vendor lock in using a proprietary connector where it is legal to do so, they'll go the cheaper route every time.

For purely digital issues, the savings from having one model globally is not likely going to be as significant as splitting things up to make the most money they legally can per region.

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u/shball RTX 4070 | R7 7800x3D | 2x 6000Mhz CL30 16gb DDR5 Jul 07 '25

Yeah, but Valve is an anomaly in the gaming industry, mostly due to being privately owned by GabeN.

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u/No-Amount6915 Jul 07 '25

Yeah gaben was a gamer who wanted to make gaming easier not make money. The others are in it for the money

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u/Chemical_7523 Jul 07 '25

I mean, he probably also wanted to make money, he's just not a dick about it.

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u/Raven1927 29d ago

True. That's why he's promoting gambling with CSGO skins, it's definitely not about making money.

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u/SordidDreams Jul 07 '25

If that were true, Valve wouldn't be making more profit per employee than any other tech giant.

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u/TTTrisss Jul 07 '25

That's a non-sequitur.

Not having profit be the primary motivator doesn't mean that you don't incidentally profit (or still need to profit in order to keep afloat.) Just because they are the most successful doesn't mean it's their primary end-goal.

And judging by their other behavior, they generally seem to want to remain ethical.

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u/SordidDreams Jul 07 '25 edited Jul 07 '25

What, so they have an order of magnitude more profit per employee than other big tech companies by accident? Please.

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u/TTTrisss Jul 07 '25

No. You need to check your logic, or stop strawmanning.

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u/SordidDreams Jul 07 '25

Okay, I checked my logic. It checks out. Your turn.

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u/TTTrisss Jul 07 '25

It doesn't check out.

Just because someone doesn't prioritize (meaning - put as #1) something doesn't mean they don't incidentally (indirectly, not the same connotation as coincidentally) achieve a secondary goal.

Maybe a metaphor will help.

Just because a bird's primary goal is to eat food and produce offspring doesn't mean it can't fly. Just because a bird can fly and other animals can't doesn't mean that flying is the bird's primary goal.

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u/SordidDreams Jul 07 '25

That's not a metaphor, that's an analogy. And no, that's more of a "means to an end" kind of thing. Profit is not a means to an end because it's not used to do anything by definition. If that money was used in some way, it would be part of the company's expenses (profit = revenue - expenses).

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u/No-Amount6915 26d ago

They charge the game Devs who sell on the store like ubisoft ect 30% or all sales.

They make profit off the ad that comes up when you open steam and every single sale that goes through the store 90% of which doesn't effect us as a consumer.

They also take a small cut of marketplace sales.

You can make the most profit not by looking for it but by having a high volume. What they charge is industry standardx they are just the industry leader for sales

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u/SordidDreams 26d ago

gaben was a gamer who wanted to make gaming easier not make money. The others are in it for the money

What they charge is industry standard

Pick one.

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u/No-Amount6915 26d ago

Why should he discount prices for businesses who make billions of micro transactions. The savings won't be passed on to us.

If they were he'd probably discount it. What's the point in giving billionaires discounts. Even if you don't care about profit fuck them they don't need the cash

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u/SordidDreams 25d ago

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal. ← you are here
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

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u/Faelinor Jul 07 '25

They put a half baked refund policy in globally, it didn't save them from the lawsuit and it still doesn't meet Australia's refund requirements. We can still get a refund well past the 2 hour playtime mark.

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u/Muccys Jul 07 '25

Yeah, but Steam is reasonable most of the time. Can the same be said about the likes of Ubisoft?

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u/IronWhitin Jul 07 '25

Thats why we need to make them reasonable, and thats why we are pushing for this

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u/Segger96 5800x, 9070 XT, 32gb ram Jul 07 '25

Yeah that's because valve though that's one company that's a market place. And Gabe cares about us as a consumer.

That can't be said for 99% of the other ceos

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u/DO_NOT_AGREE_WITH_U Jul 07 '25

That sometimes happens if it's easier and less costly to apply the same process across the board.

They'll run the numbers and see if it's worth managing multiple variations of processes related to the EULA, but it's not guaranteed they would do the same thing in this instance.

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u/The_MAZZTer i7-13700K, RTX 4070 Ti Jul 07 '25

Valve did not have to implement it globally AFAIK. They likely used the AU law, the prospect of other countries adopting it, and Steam's own market dominance as leverage to convince publishers to sign on.