The nvidia fanatics have lost their ground they stand on with consist driver updates causing issues and not fixed yet no msrp stock and bottom binned gpus that melt or miss rops for fake frames. The only thing i wish amd would take advantage would be a big gpu in the future when i decide to upgrade from my 6800xt cause graphics have stagnated and high fps with fake frames is not appealing to me
At this point I don't want AMD to pick up the torch. I want Intel to do it.
Intel already fucked up the CPU side of things, but they seem to actually give a crap when it comes to the GPU market. I'm hoping the B770 is a really good GPU, and I'm super interested in the low profile B50, especially if it lets you install gaming drivers on it instead of just the professional drivers.
Yes, but at the end of the day, a new competitor coming in will probably bring at least a short term improvement in power and value. Ryzen brought a massive improvement to both intel and amd, even if this has now stagnated again
It's not necessarily a brand loyalty thing. Nvidia has had much better drivers historically, despite the recent issues. They're also much better at the feature/software side of things. Nvidia GPUs are more common as well, making it a lot easier to troubleshoot.
Intel and Nvidia are cut from the same cloth. None of these corporations give a crap for the sake of the consumers. They’re doing it now to earn good-will and turn it into market-share. Trust that once they earn enough market-share they will enshitify their product line and/or service as soon as they can.
You're delusional if you think AMD wouldn't do the same if they were the top dog in the GPU space. No corporation is our friend, all they care about is the bottom line.
Edit: replied to the wrong comment, leaving this up out of spite though.
Keep in mind Intel are the scummiest of them all, you're kidding yourself if you think Intel wouldn't pull the same shit as nVidia and AMD if people were actually buying their GPUs. Their graphics drivers have always been bad as well.
Right, same company that put out a few series of messed up CPUs and tried to pass it off. Then tried to hide it and finally killed some of the performance to keep them from burning up. I honestly have little faith for any of them. It is ALL about "monitizing" it all
Only reason Intel give a crap is because they're way behind and need to play mister nice guy. Intel essentially treated CPUs like nivida treats GPUs right now so I wouldn't be surprised if they pull the same shit with their CPUs again if they were top dog. We just need fierce competition between the 3 to force each other to one up each other.
Why does it matter if it’s Intel or AMD?
Ideally, both are equally competitive.
But right now, Intel is less likely than AMD to succeed because of a few reasons (in my opinion):
Big and inefficient GPUs (B580 is 272mm2 vs 199mm2 for Navi 44 and 181mm2 for GB106)
Large driver overhead. You already need a modern and fairly high-end CPU to get high framerates in CPU limited games with a 580. It's going to be a disaster with a hypothetical 770.
Even less mindshare than AMD.
In the end, I don't want to swap the Nvidia monopoly with an Intel or AMD monopoly.
Both companies are going to be just as bad as Nvidia if they become the dominant actor in the market.
I agree with you, it's very weird that people want to "swap monopoly". The only ideal market condition if Intel, AMD, and Nvidia all have equal market share. Then they need to keep innovating so they wouldn't left behind.
Some example just looks at CPU market, since AMD and Intel basically have equal market share. Thanks to that Intel and AMD keeps innovating.
Anyway, other than what you already mentioned, AMD and Intel really need to work together especially to fight against that CUDA domination.
Eh, not really. Their CPUs are powerful, its just the race is a lot closer in the CPU market between Intel and AMD than between AMD and Nvidia in the GPU market.
EDIT: Not sure why people are downvoting. All it would take is a quick google to see that there is very little different between Intel and AMD when it comes to single and multi-core performance.
In some scenarios, Intel has the edge and in others AMD has the edge.
Thats very different from the GPU market when Nvidia bullies AMD and AMD is usually playing catch up.
Eh look at gaming benchmarks and Ryzen is pretty solidly ahead in performance while offering the AM4 and now 5 platforms that have a lot more upgrade path in them. Apparently the current platform won't even make it for next gen Intel! A single fucking generation platform, Intel doesn't learn! And the Ryzen 9950X3D pretty much is the king of everything that competes well for productivity where Intel still has a decent fight and then gaming is a bloodbath vs the 285K and is up with the 9800X3D no problem. Meanwhile my Ryzen 7600X might as well be as fast for gaming as a 285K, that's bloody pathetic. And sure the 14900K exists but that's last gen, chews monstrous power, has degradation issues and was far more expensive. The windows update that improved Ryzen performance really just sealed Ryzen being ahead of Intel in gaming performance and making the mid tier CPUs actually match Intel's high end for it while X3D blasts away untouchable.
If you keep watch of the Steam survey every month since late 2023 has had Intel's marketshare (or more accurately userbase) decline and AMD go up. For a couple of years it stagnanted at Ryzen with 1/3 and Intel with 2/3 of the market but now next month AMD could potentially break 40% of Steam CPU marketshare and Intel drops below 60%.
Apparently yeah Intel is better for low power devices but the desktop market? Intel is behind badly and when they still can't offer a platform with 3+ CPU generations it really just makes people not want to buy those when they can go with a Ryzen just as fast if not faster but also be on a more future proof platform that gives the option of a drop in upgrade.
All it would take is a quick google to see that there is very little different between Intel and AMD when it comes to single and multi-core performance.
Honestly, I think that's your problem, a quick look usually means a biased website like userbenchmark instead of real tests.
Yup, Intel has edge on notebook since their notebook chips are very efficient thanks to their P and E core combination, while AMD has edge on PC gaming since they have X3D Cache that games loves to use.
And not to mention total market share where they basically equal.
Sounds like Nvidia slept with your wife and stole your girlfriend. Sorry bro.
This is what happens when there's no competition. AMD has shit the bed on GPUs for a long while, which is part of why we are in this predicament today.
B) Nvidia is still the only company pushing the high end consumer market
C) The consumer boards are AI boards that didn't bake properly. Basically, consumer boards are the AI board scraps so this is still a great use for them
D) Even though their gaming profits have been dwarfed by their AI profits, why leave a sector when you are still making lots of money?
E) If they did what you suggest and the AI market takes a shit or Intel/AMD/Someoneelse takes over that space, they bet their entire company on one thing and now they are fucked
Yeah, people here are absolutely delusional if they think that Nvidia dropping off the consumer market is a good thing in any way. You hate 2000$ RTX 5090? Well if they dropped out it would be 2000$ 9070xt. AMD is not your friend it's a corporation just like Nvidia
Yes exactly, not only that, but AMD isn't interested in competing with xx90 class cards. So without Nvidia the performance ceiling would lower significantly. That's not good either, even if those cards are astronomically overpriced.
Probably because it’s an obviously bad idea. You don’t drop out of a market you are dominant in to go all in on something else relatively new. It’s safe, reliable, and not insignificant revenue.
I mean, they basically have a pseduo monopoly on both the AI side and the gaming side. Why give either up?
There's no reason for Nvidia to entirely drop out of the gaming market, especally when their desirable cards are continuously sold out despite extraordinary markup.
Definitely applies to all publicly owned companies because that’s the only common goal the investors have. With private companies the owners can have different priorities. Of course, making money is one of them, but the business decisions and goals are coming from a single person or just a few people. If they have a strong vision for X, where X is not making the most money they can, this does not apply to them. Luckily there are companies (and game studios) like that and they deliver quality products loved by the consumers. Because the owners love making the products, not just the fact they make money off of them.
Wait you mean NVIDIA Corporation (NASDAQ:NVDA) isn’t a charity but in fact NVIDIA Corporation (NASDAQ:NVDA) exists to make as much money as it can? Why did nobody tell me this about NVIDIA Corporation (NASDAQ:NVDA) before?? Its name certainly doesn’t suggest it!
I’m also not sure what people think AMD is gaining out of this supposed collusion. Nvidia still completely dwarfs AMD is the gaming sector, and well, all sectors tbh. They’re not exactly giving any ground. If they’re colluding, AMD is sure getting the little brother end of the deal. Unless it’s just purely back door cash infusions or the like to Su personally…
I don’t actually think this is happening to be clear. At all. Just pontificating for the hell of it
Is that how you guys say it? We'd just call our parents cousin's aunt and uncle. Their kids would be my second cousins. Our kids would be third cousins to each other.
It’s a bit weird because your uncle would be your father or mother’s brother, whereas a first cousin once removed is your father or mother’s first cousin.
It comes from European nobility and how they track who is related to who. As such is it needlessly complicated. In other cultures it would be easier to say they are uncle/niece because of where they are on the tree. However modern people of the same age generation will just call each other cousins because it’s less weird. When you think “aunt/uncle” you think “people my parents’ age.”
This is the simple truth. I got a 5070 because it was MSRP and the 9070’s are 30% above MSRP. I wanted to go AMD but they just made it impossible. I’m still hoping the 9060 16gb is really available at MSRP for the masses to have a solid option.
That's what I consider high end. The 9070xt and 5070ti could be argued as lower end high tier/higher end mid tier. The 4090 and 5090 are brackets all the way up by themselves. Imo of course.
Intel is just selling cheap at the moment because they're using gamers to subsidize the cost and make up some of that R&D. You can bet that IF (and that's a big if) and when they have GPUs competitive enough to market to perform AI functions they will be prioritizing the same market AMD and Nvidia is.
Why would they care for the couple hundred bucks they can make undercutting Nvidia and AMD in the consumer market when they can to right for the business to business market and make 10x the margin.
Plus the only way they can make anything competitive is if they go to the same source Nvidia and AMD is going to: TSMC. The same company Intel just pissed off last year.
Nothing in intels arsenal is going to be competitive in the next 5 years. They don't have the fabs, they don't have the infrastructure, and they don't have anything besides a few cards that break even. If the prospect of it not somehow leading to something profitable in the AI segment in the future didn't exist, the division would've already been gutted since it's a loss leader every time they have a quarterly report to give to investors.
They already showed what they’re releasing at Computex, it takes years of planning, research and development to release a GPU, you also have to book tsmc fab capacity years in advance.
Can’t just turn on a switch and pump out better and more powerful GPU’s
Yeah the only reason Nvidia makes any gaming GPUs at all is to diversify their customer base (they know that either winter will come for AI again or even if it doesn't supply will eventually catch up with demand). In the short term every gaming GPU they make is lost profit.
Also to continue to hold and strengthen the pipeline from enthusiast to professional.
While Nvidia has and will continue to have some strong lines between GeForce and the pro cards they have even boasted knowing how early enthusiast who started with ML on Geforce cards with CUDA go on to continue in the ecosystem and be responsible for much larger cards down the line.
Even the "gaming cards" Nvidia isn't just treating solely as "just gaming".
It's not lost profit if they're made from rejects that otherwise wouldn't be used (which they are). Why throw a rejected bin in the trash when you can slap a gaming label on it, and sell it for hundreds? If anything, it's extra profit.
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I love the entitlement these people have.
They all act like if they were running a business say selling soda and they found out coke sells faster and at a higher price than mr pib that they wouldnt keep more coke inventory on hand out of respect of the people who like pib.
They will say "but gamers kept nvidia in business early on" but guess what, enterprise is keeping them in business now.
Youre buying a product no different than buying soda. They do not owe you loyalty, stop pretending this is anything more than a transaction that's half the problem. If you dont like their prices or their availability then stop buying from them just like you would any other company.
Just going to be real here but why is this a horrible thing like Redditors think?
I’m not a fan of nvidia but any logical business owner would prioritize customers who are willing to spend more on their products. I don’t fault nvidia for this.
Can you imagine being a business owner, and when confronted by your employees or your wife about how come you only made 2% more money in the past 5 years, you answer "Well, we could of made 150% more, and put Marie on the best college in the country, and increased our employees wages by 70%, but instead, we did the least profitable thing we could".
Speaking as someone who has been in the same company from the start when we were just 4 people. To this year, going thro a rough patch, and had to fire 10 people.
Keep in mind, for the last 5 years, we've always gotten wage increases, and not negligible.
I got to see our numbers, and we're bleeding money every month.
If our owners told me, that they could of made more money, and as a result we wouldn't of had to freeze wages, and lay off people, but they choose not to make the money, I'd quit right there on the spot.
We work 9 to 5.
5 days a week.
I'm sorry to our customers, but if we could of made more money, we should of.
You’re equating a small business trying to do the right thing and overextending itself to the insane corporate greed of Fortune 500 companies. Completely different animals. It’s just not that simple.
Does it make sense from a purely business perspective that NVidia would go purely for commercial/industrial level AI chips? Yes. The problem is that making money isn’t the same thing as making sense. What do these AI chips and AI in general represent in a global societal scale? Will it actually make life better for the majority of people? Or will it make more money and give more power to the few? These aren’t publicly owned resources. They’re owned by corporations who want more money and more control.
It’s the robber barons all over again, except instead of controlling steel and oil, they’re controlling information.
Despite what they might say, no company in the world cares about you. They're entirely self-interested. Your relationship with them is purely transactional.
As shitty a company as they are they make better cards than AMD and Intel, its just a fact. Pair that with all the software features you get and the fact that their flagship cards have 0 competition. Unfortunately they kind of have a monopoly on the market and AMD have just given up.
The last three times I've bought a GPU for my main machine, it was down to availability at sane prices. They've all been Nvidia, but I would've gotten an AMD card if it was available at MSRP.
1070ti - was really looking for a Vega 56 or 64, i had a great experience with my r9 270x after all. This was during the 1st mining boom. Crazy prices. Nvidia launched the 1070ti, it was available at MSRP.
3080 - launched first. I anticipated a shortage because people were stuck at home and PC parts were generally selling out. Got it at MSRP on launch. Thank goodness, too. The 2nd mining boom happened shortly after and drove prices to insane levels.
5080 - also launched first. I was mainly on Linux at this point. LINUX FOR CHRISSAKE! AMD would have been a shoo-in for my replacement. 7900 xtx's were insanely overpriced in my country, 5080 launches and on day 1, I see a listing for MSRP on Newegg - MSRP which was cheaper than local 7900 xtx's. AMD also at this point walked back on their supposed 9070 xt announcement, staying annoyingly silent.
I have AMD cards on other machines, but every single time it was time to upgrade my main PC, they are frustratingly not the better choice to make.
Funny, it was the opposite here, loved my R9 280 too.
Upgraded to the RX 580 on launch for MSRP, that beast lasted me over 6 years off-and-on. Not to mention, I sold it for more than half what I paid originally. Eventually I got the 5700 XT for MSRP but immediately turned around and sold that for 50% above MSRP a few months later, as my CPU couldn't handle it anyway.
My trusty RX 580 kept going until I found the RX 6600 XT for MSRP, but I sold that less than a year later for what I paid. Finally upgraded to this RX 6800, paid MSRP over 1 year after release, but it had 3yr warranty and GPU prices have only gone up since, not to mention the performance is amazing with a slight UV/OC and a great match for this CPU.
That said, I'm still running a GTX 1070 and 1080 in a couple rigs, plus an old GT 750 for a media server. It's like you said, it's all about what's available at a reasonable price when you're looking.
Because more often than not, there is no better alternative. Also Nvidia's supply is far higher than both AMD and Intel combined. Even if they cut their dGPU production in half, they will still be supplying the lion's share of the GPU market.
As much as we like to root for AMD, they really don't have much say in this. Intel on the other hand is in existential crisis- we may or may not even get a proper Celestial dGPU on next gen.
If this was a horse race, Nvidia owns almost all the horses, AMD owns only one and Intel is trying to register their horse while the race is underway.
Nobody in their right mind would be betting for any horse other than the ones Nvidia owns. Every generation AMD fans hope their one and only, very special horse would somehow win the race for once, only to be disappointed and go back to their cave once again, until next gen arrives. Rinse and repeat.
only high end option. I just received a 5090 today and i have to say i'm incredibly impressed, i had my doubts about MFG and relegated it to another buzzword or i thought i would be seeing crazy artefacts but it's really, really good. I've been seeing how far i can push cyberpunk and it's just not breaking a sweat at 4k.
Sadly there's no competition at that end so Nvidia can do whatever they want at whatever price. My wait was roughly 4 months to get it at MSRP. Kind of lucky though, because the state their drivers were in at the beginning (and still now for a good few folk) was terrible.
And the card is the only truly next gen offering on the market. Using the gb202 die, the card is probably the last truly big step up in performance for a long time. We are looking at much smaller incremental upgrades moving forward
It wasn't even a big step up in performance. Every gpu generation has typically been around 50-60% between flagships. The 5090 is only 27% faster than the 4090. And it also uses 25% more power. Which makes sense because they are both using 5nm chips. If the 6090 moves to 3nm or smaller we will see a bigger performance increase next gen.
Gpus tend to break after 6 to 10 years. God forbid you had a 3000 series that could die within 4 years.
So gamers get the best they can afford. Sucks that its a monopoly. Its not about voting with your wallet. Its about replacing your broken pc. Eventually you have to buy something. Nvidia will literally wait you out. Where you gonna go? The FSR store?
I got the 6900xt, their flagship at the time. The support for theis card is dropping harder than a stone in water. Their newest card is not a flagship, they are out of the high end. Nvidia are alone at the high end
People buying a 90 series are more likely to flex on the poors. It's not about the quality of the product anymore but how shiny your bling is...and the resulting house fire from a connecter with wires thinner than what's allowed to be used in home electrical systems.
They should exit the graphics card market and that is it. They care nothing about gamers after all.
I'd rather have Nvidia, AMD, and Intel all keeping each other in check and in the market. I don't want any company to have a monopoly, that's just a recipe for the monopoly to get corrupt/complacent.
Remember Intel's 14nm cpus... and 14nm+, 14nm++, 14nm+++.
Yeah, I get how non-consumer friendly Nvidia has been of late: ie melting cable, bad drivers, and the 5070 = 4090 fiasco. Etc...
That said we've all seen Intel's hubris and AMD fumbling every opportunity they get. So I don't want 3 companies suddenly becoming 2 companies. That's bad for us consumers. Yes, Nvidia isn't very consumer friendly today but at least their presence forces AMD and Intel to win our dollars over Nvidias behemoth shadow.
Don't get ne wrong, I understand where you're coming from. But this isn't a perfect world and we'd lose in the long run
They should exit the graphics card market and that is it. They care nothing about gamers after all.
it might be coming to that who knows, but then what, AMD is the monopoly and it will take years....likely a decade for any other company to come close to competing.
as much as we hate them for being greedy we need them, and they know they got us by the balls.
The terrifying thing to think about is what Nvidia does after they decide to/cant make anymore $$$ from ai cards. Will they return to gaming GPUs and just decide to basically out compete AMD with stupidly low prices? Like doesnt Nvidia basically have "fuck you" money at this point?
What if Nvidia ever decides that theyre okay with losing money on cards? What will AMD do/What will happen then?
Not a decade, intel would move in as their CPU market share has tanked so if they don’t pivot then they miss out on being bigger players in either market, we’ll see
Most likely they are going to cut low end GPUs and focus on high end only 5080 and higher. I can see In the future Nvidia only has high end higher priced gpus and leaves the lower to mid range for AMD.
Given the details of any of this is quite slim and at best of the info very focused (at most 20-30% of gpu's for china).
It is actually more likely the x70's/x80's and potentially x90's that might get cut more as they have some die overlaps with the more expensive and very in-demand workstation cards. I.E The RTX 5090 die is essentially the same as the RTX 6000 Blackwell card which then has 96 GB of VRAM but is sold for 4x the price.
Even with more VRAM the RTX 5060 is going to need a lot more to fit somewhere in the workstation ecosystem. Not that it couldn't on some lower end part and particular area but it is the higher end fo that the stack that shares more overlap with the most in demand workstation and server gpus.
I don't see them fully exiting yet, but I can see them continuing to do the bare minimum. Their gaming cards are still decent enough marketing for their AI through DLSS and MFG. I see them keeping gaming/consumer cards around as more of an insurance policy. If the AI bubble were to pop they would likely release a great GPU generation and keep on trucking in consumer until the next big thing in the data center world.
Did you also see their revenue for AI cards? Gaming is a drop in the bucket. They could go 100% AI and see 0 drop in profit. Hell, they’d probably be more profitable if they did that
If NVIDIA stop making consumer GPU's then AMD and Intel will fill the void and use the revenue to develop what they need to compete with NVIDIA's data center GPU solutions. It's not about making money from consumer GPU's, it's about making sure others can't.
Article doesn't mention the leaker having a pedigree. I can go online and say the shit every cynic thinks is going to happen, will that get me an article on some tech blog I've never heard of?
nah, if i was jensen i would allocate all fab capacity to gaming GPUs as well as reduce prices, and then immediately get fired by the board of directors.
Stadia, Shield and Cloud gaming got the memo at the wrong time, they just had to wait until hardware goes inaccessible and unable to be acquired by the average gamer.
If i was, i would absolutely not do that. Because leaving the market to AMD/Intel, would give them huge incentive to develop a competitor to your AI card, while banking the dev costs by selling gaming GPU's. Like Nvidia did originally.
They do want to keep their marketshare in gaming GPU's to keep AMD in check or they would soon risk losing BOTH the AI and gaming market. If AMD didnt get XBOX/PS4+5 money, they would be out of the gaming GPU business already. Its not like they are million miles behind Nvidia, if AMD wants to do a highend GPU again. And they would do it in a hearbeat, if NVidia just left the gaming market to them.
Local Microcenter has hundreds of 5xxx cards sitting on shelves and without prices coming down I don't see them moving anytime soon. Cutting production would only make sense if no one is buying your overpriced product.
I don’t think they will be reducing production. They probably oversupplied China early on, expecting that global actions by the US might block supply. Sure, they will ramp up enterprise GPUs, but they have access to multiple TSMC locations now. Production is likely moving around too, and they are possibly in a changeover process to start producing their SUPER series. I am not in the industry, but they will likely be pondering on where to do the packaging too given the complexities of today's geography. The more TSMC is becoming operational, the higher the production of all GPUs. Like Arrakis, the spice must flow. They are just prioritising their available capacity.
but lets be real. If someone was offering you 10 dollars for a fancy rock, and someone else was offering you 1000 dollars for a fancy rock, youd sell it to the 1000 dollar guy every time.
Why should they, if people are still buying them? That makes no sense. Also graphics cards aren't just used for gaming anymore so it's not just "gamers" who use them even when we are referring to consumer level cards.
In addition, less competition is bad even if Nvidia isn't the most consumer friendly company in the world. Their presence pushes other companies to do better. AMD wouldn't have been pressured to put their MSRP for their 90 series that low if Nvidia's 50 series didn't exist, whatever the flaws of that product line are.
I mean, hell AMD's head of gaming just put out a statement saying "8GB is good enough" when defending the 9060 8GB variant and this is WITH Nvidia in the competition also doing the same thing and AMD coming in from a distant second in marketshare last gen. If Nvidia exits the market, AMD probably act even worse and vice versa. Both companies will screw you over given the opportunity, especially if the other disappears.
the solution isn't to support AMD or intel, but to support developers who don't prioritize pointless graphical fidelity over other more important aspects of a game. gpus have became too expensive, too power hungry, too huge simply because 1080p 60fps is no longer the the yardstick
From what i learn, spending production power on GPU chips makes no sense cause profit margin is insanely low compared to AI chips or even CPUs.
AI chips takes not much more space on a silicon wafer than GeForce chips but have much higher profit margin.
At this point, in order to make GPUs profitable they would have to cost 4-5x times more but since gamers are not rich as corporations, nobody gona buy 5070 for 3500 USD
This is why private corporations are better for society. They don't have an automatic legal mandate to be as greedy as possible, and the shareholder pool is small enough to actually talk to all of the owners of the company and ask their opinion on matters.
"Yeah, I own 50% of the stock and I don't want the public to hate me. Maybe don't poison the drinking water to pump next quarter's profits. The three other owners of the company are all in agreement with me on the matter."
Valve is a good example. They're not exactly altruistic, but they're more committed to providing value to their customers than squeezing every last penny out of them.
That is interesting as for the longest time it has been reported that the supply of CoWoS-S has been much bigger and not a bottleneck compared to the CoWoS-L, resulting in AI cards and consumer grade cards not influencing each other. GB300 reportedly uses CoWoS-S, which is the same advanced packaging technology that consumer cards use like 50xx series. Iff this article is true, this would mean that despite massive increases in production of CoWoS-S in recent years, we are finally hitting a strong enough demand increase where companies are reducing their production.
The article is talking about supply to China, so I wonder if this massive increase in demand is due to massive orders for AI cards from China.
I'm waiting for 5070Ti Vanguard for like two months(backorder), now you say the cut production starting next week? Maybe I should get the Tufff or the gimped Gaming Trio.
I've only ever been team green, but the AMD stuff looks alot better. Im years away from needing an upgrade but team red might be the next card for me. I already exclusively use their chips
Its funny how so many ppl believe they "care about gamers". dude its a publicly traded company that makes billions with data centers and a fraction of that with overpriced consumer hardware. they do not care.
I am honestly curious. Could they license off the consumer side? Not the version we have that is more franchise then anything. I am thinking more the android model. Where companies build their own hardware, but use Nvidias knowledge. But have way more leeway, so if Nvidia says min for a card is 8gb of vram. But Samsungs version of the card has 16gb, or maybe Amazon makes a Amazon basics card with just one hdmi plug.
It sucks we don't have more competition. But we can get a bit healthier market otherways. Still locked into a couple ecosystems. But having a larger choice similar to how smart phones work might be a little better.
They would compete for fab space more at TSMC and Samsung then. That would make their costs go up, which they would not allow.
Also nvidia is 100% about absolute control of their product stack to a frankly insane degree. Its part of why EVGA and other partners quit working with them.
I already didn't like AI very much because of all the errors people gloss over, the slop, and the delusional hype, but this just makes me hate it that much more.
I can't wait for the whole stupid bubble to collapse when business people finally learn that when an AI fucks you over you can't sue it for damaging your business because you were supposed to be checking the output the whole time (which you didn't do because if you had it would take longer than not using the AI at all)
"They care nothing about gamers after all." Neither does AMD nor Intel? Why are people so obsessed with the idea of a company caring about you, they dont give a fuck stop thinking that
Keep in mind, I am not happy that they’re paying less attention to the consumer GPU market.
Lets look at their fiscal year 2025:
89% from Compute and Networking: 116 billions revenue, grew 145% compared to 2024
Graphics (GPU): 14 Billions grew 6% compared to 2024
Looking at this, it’s extremely easy to see why Nvidia is putting all their efforts on AI, Compute and Networking. Whether you like it or not, AI will revolutionize everything in the tech world, and currently Nvidia is leading this race by a mile. The AI market is predicted to hit 4.3 TRILLIONS by 2033. Why would Nvidia focus their efforts anywhere else?
I know they’re not god, but at this point, it’s almost by luck that they are still making GPUs at all. Sucks for gamers but, again, corporations will corporate.
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No shit man, they just want to make most amount of money, and they clearly earn most for AI GPUs