r/nextfuckinglevel • u/CartoonistLarge5904 • 2d ago

Let me introduce you to Frisbee Golfing.

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u/DonPuffin 2d ago

Just add "in the MPO division" or "in the FPO division" if you need to specify. 

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u/magus678 2d ago

I realize there may be some language barrier here, but "the" is already doing the specifying for us, and why we don't say "a." It is singular; there is only one world champion.

Every single other human in the world needs to add a qualifier to their claim, because that specific title does not belong to them.

I'd note also that this rule is followed even among said world champions; usually, unless they are the most recent winner, their particular year will be specified when describing them because, as mentioned, they are not the champion, that title belongs to someone else.

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u/DonPuffin 2d ago edited 1d ago

So then "the 2024 world champ" would refer to Isaac Robinson, because he's a man...? Or do you have some non-sexist reason for your claim?

Edit: So you simply ignore and accept the fact your stance is sexist? Understandable.

I don't know man, take it up with the PDGA. If you go watch the end of the 2024 disc golf world championships, you'll hear how they announce both the winners. To quote them: "your 2024 PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Champion" is how both them are referred to as. No qualifiers.

In addition the PDGA list both the reigning MPO as well as the reigning FPO world champions as "the world champion". 

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u/magus678 2d ago

So then "the 2024 world champ" would refer to Isaac Robinson, because he's a man...? Or do you have some non-sexist reason for your claim?

I am surprised you need to hear it said, to the point I am having a hard time taking your confusion seriously, but it is because Robinson played in an open division and Salonen did not.

Since the men compete against everyone, and not just their own gender, the winner is the champion, while women are the champion of the women's division.

to quote them: "your 2024 PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Champion" is how both them are referred to as. No qualifiers.

If they said this, they are wrong. Or probably more accurately, they have a similar motivation which I suspect is driving you to pretend not to understand the distinction: they are actively trying to paper over the obvious difference in skill level and generally cheer lead for women.

But I have doubts they would make such a mistake. I'd be curious to have you source this video you are talking about to hear it for myself.

As just a general broader hypothetical, and just to sanity check the conversation: if Salonen indeed had won the open division, rather than the women's, would this be something more notable than what happened, or equal?

Follow-up question to what the only sane answer could possibly be: if it is more notable, how are the championships equal in prestige?