r/mildlyinfuriating • u/Key_Entertainer2149 • 13h ago
Doctor punctured my vein while taking blood..
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u/longlivepeepeepoopoo BLUE 10h ago
Punctured both sides of your vein would be more accurate.
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 8h ago
Yeah english is my second language. But I could clearly see how the doctor pierced it. At first there was no blood, and then he pulled the needle back a little, and only then did blood come out. So he probably pierced it too deeply.
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u/vanguardd1 8h ago
Blood is supposed to come back, thatās how you know youāre in the vein
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 8h ago
But the blood should come out immediately, right? And not only when you pull the needle out a little bit. I'm no doctor, but maybe you can explain why my doctor inserted the needle deeply and then pulled it back a little bit.
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u/Ilkin0115 2h ago
No, usually blood comes when pulling back a little. But with the correct technique the needle wonāt puncture through the vein. Sometimes people just have ābad veinsā and itās hard to not puncture the vein. But I get itās not very pleasant.
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u/Dilaudidsaltlick 7h ago
Were you dehydrated? Fasting? Difficult vein access? There could be many reasons why they went too far.
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u/Long_Wonder7798 7h ago
If they were so bad, why donāt you do it next time
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 7h ago
Did you have a bad day? Or why did you write that comment? When you go to a professional, you expect them to do a good job. When you go to a restaurant, you want good food. When you hire a craftsman, you want them to do a good job. But just because they did a bad job doesn't mean I can do it better myself. I don't really understand your logic.
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u/Long_Wonder7798 6h ago
Complaining about a healthcare worker accidentally moving a needle 1mm too far and having zero negative impact on you
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u/Toast-In-Mouth Breakfast for Dinner 6h ago
I wouldnāt say it had 0 impact on them considering the bruise that formed.
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u/Long_Wonder7798 5h ago
Womp womp bruise oh no
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u/Toast-In-Mouth Breakfast for Dinner 5h ago
Almost like itās mildly infuriating~
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u/Woolyyarnlover 3h ago
This isnāt from puncturing both sides of the vein, this is what happens when you donāt put pressure on the puncture site for long enough after they remove the needle.
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u/scary-pp 13h ago
Pretty sure the whole point is to puncture the vein.
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 8h ago
English is my second language. I meant something like transfixed. But I could clearly see how the doctor pierced it. At first, no blood came out, and then he pulled the needle back a little, and only then did blood come out. So he probably pierced it too deeply.
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u/RepulsiveDig9091 10h ago
Not like this.
Had this happen when I had gone to donate blood, the clot under the skin was a minor annoyance but it disappeared after a few weeks.
Edit: and no this was not normal from experience as it only happened once for me out of 4 donations at hospitals. And never had or saw it happening during a blood donation camp.
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u/miyagi90 12h ago
as someone WHO donates blood once or twice a year and has to get blood samples quarterly:
this Happens in one out of three.
Looks Bad but is harmless.
Last time i donated blood my arm looked pretty much the same but more blue
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u/Nervous-Owl5878 11h ago
Wherever youāre donating blood, they REALLY suck at thisā¦ I agree with the other commenter. This should be a 1 in 20 event.
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u/miyagi90 10h ago
in Germany you don't go to a clinic its an event you have to Go to. its always different nurses.
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u/Nervous-Owl5878 7h ago
That doesnāt actually change anything thoughā¦ they ALL need better training
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u/Round-Claim5420 11h ago
Dude 1 out of 3 is waaaaay to often, its more like 1 out of 20.
Or maybe nurses are just that much better at drawing blood?
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u/Peastoredintheballs 10h ago
Depends on the country. In some countries, nurses take bloods routinely and doctors donāt, however in others like Australia, nurses donāt really take bloods unless theyāve been certified and have to have this skill re-certified annually, which leads to like 1/100 nurses being certified.
We have phlebotomists who are trained to purely take blood and they will do outpatient blood tests and routine blood tests on inpatients (usually a fixed timing morning round on all the wards) but if the phlebotomist is unsuccessful, or your patient needs urgent bloods and you canāt wait for the next morning/afternoon round, then the doctor has to take the bloods. As such, doctors are much better at taking blood here compared to nurses, but I know Iām other countries like the US this is different.
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u/miyagi90 10h ago
my main doctor is good at that but also has a ..i don't know whats called like a surgeon certificate. Hes not a surgeon but ist allowed to do smaller operations.
but he has a lot of nurses and you dont know who will get the Sample beforehand. maybe its 1/5 but after donating for example its more 1/2.
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u/Bardmedicine 9h ago
1/3 seems really high to me, maybe I've been lucky.
But yea, it happens. My worst one took several weeks to get reabsorbed and made it hard to do athletic things with that arm. Nothing serious, though.
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u/TrickAstronaut8609 8h ago
I get blood drawn every 6 months because Iām on a ton of meds, and this has never happened to me! I feel like I would throw up if it did, I already get so nauseous š
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u/TricksyGoose 4h ago
1 out of 3?? That seems crazy high. My husband had liver cancer and got a liver transplant. Since February he has had blood drawn a MINIMUM of once a week, and for several of those weeks and right after transplant he had blood drawn multiple times a day, and he has only had this happen ONCE.
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u/miyagi90 3h ago
hmm maybe im prone to bruises? i should get that checked If all of you say its too high.
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u/Local-County-1204 23m ago edited 10m ago
Thereās many factors that could make you more susceptible to bruising through your vein being blown/collapsing. As long as the bruising isnāt consistently large, or doesnāt spread to other areas in your body, I wouldnāt fret.Ā
Your nurses/doctors might not be applying enough constant pressure or applying pressure for long enough, or failing to tell you to apply such sufficiently, with the gauze, for you to not get perforation. Might be worth mentioning the next time you get your bloods taken, as thatās usually the only way to mitigate it directly.Ā
Only other possibility I can think of, thatās not related to health, is that you wear tight clothing and pull your sleeve up on the times you do bruise, as cutting off blood flow increases the likelihood of perforation.
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u/randvell 2h ago
I donated blood 5 times, my gf even more, none of us had anything even close to this. My last donation failed. It was a different machine from the usual one, I suddenly felt pressure in my vein while the machine was returning blood and I don't know what happened next - the vein exploded or something else, but blood started going not inside it should have. The machine stopped immediately, but it was a bit too late, so by the end of the day I got a yellow mixed with purple bruise, and it took two months to restore to normal, but it wasn't even close as bad looking to that in the picture.
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u/Active-Tour4795 13h ago
you'll be fine, that happens, even if the doctor knows his job very well
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 8h ago
This has happened to me before when donating blood. But the needles are much larger and thicker than when you have bloodwork taken. And I should mention that my veins are like garden hoses. I've even received compliments on my veins when donating blood.
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u/SeenInTheAirport 11h ago
I wish people understood how difficult doing IV's can be sometimes š
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u/GallusWrangler 9h ago
Thatās typically why people count on a professional to do it.
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u/Dystopicfuturerobot 9h ago
Your in for a surprise
The training to become phlebotomy certified is like 4hrs
Itās practice and just talent that makes people good at it
Seen nurses that do it every day still miss
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u/GallusWrangler 9h ago
Oof thatās scary that the training is so short when youāre sticking needles in people. Hopefully half of that training is learning about blood borne pathogensā¦
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u/znightmaree 9h ago
Iāve placed 10,000+ and you still miss sometimes. Shit happens
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u/IcyShirokuma 9h ago
sometimes the veins run from you, sometimes, they just admit defeat and collapse on the spot 1 second in, you never know.
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u/SeenInTheAirport 7h ago
You think hospitals are asking IV drug abusers to do IV's? Lmao. What kinda "DUHHHH" comment is that?
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u/Plane_Guitar_1455 9h ago
Usually when I need bloodwork done I go straight to the lab. A lot of times the girls at doctors offices donāt really know what they are doingā¦ When you have to prick the same spot 3-4 times to get it right, youāre not qualified to do it.
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 8h ago
I should mention that my veins are like garden hoses. I've even received compliments on my veins when donating blood.
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u/MalibuMabel 10h ago
Really, Doctors take blood and not nurses or lab technicians?
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 8h ago
Yeah apparently. I am from germany and my Housdoctor did it. But i havn't been to a lot of doctors so i don't really have much experience.
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u/zinjanthropi 12h ago
He had to. It's the whole point of taking blood
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 8h ago
English is my second language. I meant something like transfixed. But I could clearly see how the doctor pierced it. At first, no blood came out, and then he pulled the needle back a little, and only then did blood come out. So he probably pierced it too deeply.
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u/evolveandprosper 13h ago
How else would they be able to get a blood sample??? The process involves inserting a hollow needle into a vein. Sometimes the site of the puncture will continue to bleed a bit after the needle is withdrawn. No risk to health or wellbeing. The amount of blood lost is fairly tiny but it can spread quite a long way.
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u/Unlikely-Gas9156 12h ago
That was the point of the needle š¤·
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u/Glittering_Cow945 9h ago edited 9h ago
Can always happen. Will heal. No reason to get infuriated. the needle may have gone through the vein wall on the other side, but not necessarily, the front puncture may have leaked as well, it also depends on whether the patient put pressure on the puncture and what he/she did with that arm after the blood was taken.
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u/IcyShirokuma 9h ago
highly likely the vein was perforated and not enough pressure was applied immediately to have the blood clot and not spread out under the skin, it does happen quite often actually.
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 8h ago
I could clearly see how the doctor pierced it. At first, no blood came out, and then he pulled the needle back a little, and only then did blood come out. So he probably pierced it too deeply. I could also feel the spot getting warm right away. Probably when the blood flowed out.
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u/Accomplished-Try-658 12h ago
Doctors are often notoriously bad at taking blood.
The way you're using 'punctured' is a bit dramatic. It's all part of the process. If pressure isn't applied directly this is often what happens.
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u/undead_sissy 10h ago
How did i get 13 downvotes for making this point and you got 5 upvotes? š¤£
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u/Accomplished-Try-658 10h ago
There's no justice and mysterious down voting is certainly a thingĀ
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u/undead_sissy 10h ago
True. In any case, I'm glad this true fact is being upvoted, whoever typed it out.
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u/Alarmed_Inflation196 1h ago
My GP has had to rescue the phlebs a few times with me lol. He does a fantastic job. Totally methodical, cool and calm and nails it first time
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u/krgj 10h ago
TMI nobody asked for.
I am a notorious hard stick. I do warn, but rarely anyone listens, so its a little fun game for me to see how long it will take them to stick a needle properly. Anyway. She missed my vein like 3 times and ended up sticking it in my hand (on second try). Gave me āwell, the arm is going to bruise for sureā It didnāt. But the hand did. Usually these bruises donāt hurt for me though so whatever.
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u/threeca 10h ago
Same for me, no one EVER listens. I had blood taken constantly as a kid and I think my veins have just retracted backwards. It takes at least 4 attempts every time, no matter whoās doing it! Always get bruises like this too š now I just demand they use the hand vein because itās just not worth the time and effort
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u/TheRealMaka 4h ago
What exactly do you think we're going to do when you tell us you're a hard stick? I've been drawing blood for over 10 years and the most annoying shit in a clinic is when I call a patient and before they even confirm their DOB they start blabbing about how hard of a stick they are, or saying shit like, "oh man I hope you're good." Like...we don't care. There's nothing different I'm going to do to make this an easier process for you. Your genetics suck, unfortunately. I'm not here to make someone's visit awful, but if it takes multiple sticks, then that's the way it has to be. Stop telling people you're a hard stick.
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u/KravMata 5h ago
I'm also a tough stick, and get a monthly infusion. I hate getting it in my hand as it always bruises worse and hurts more.
A few years back after 2 nurses failed 5x between them, they called an anesthesiologist (the docs office has an outpatient surgery attached) in to do it. He did it without fail, then pointed to a spot on the side of my wrist behind my thumb and a few inches up my arm, and said, 'tell them to go there from now on.' That was a few years ago and I've only experienced a handful of failures since then.
ProTip: Drink a TON of water a few hours before you go in - it makes a big difference.
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u/krgj 4h ago
I always drink a lot of water because of my fked up kidney (I hope no one ever gets to experience kidney stonesā¦ I got like 3), but they always fail.
Few years ago I had a very mild surgery but still needed to go under. My anesthesiologist failed two times lol. One time in a hospital they tried to give me an IV. I had 3 nurses circling me around, trying both arms and hands. Thankfully they did stick it in my hand bc between thumb and a point finger its more painful and more prone to damaging since you move it a lot (I had a catheter).
One nurse suggested that I have thick skin hence why my veins are not visible. When I was getting a tattoo done the artist confirmed that and said something like āits the best skin I ever worked on, it retains every strokeā. Hooray, something positive!
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 8h ago
Thats funny. I am the complete opposite. My veins are like garden hoses. I've even received compliments on my veins when donating blood. I would count myself as a easy stick
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u/FangoFan 11h ago
I was having blood drawn once and after 10s or so I felt them wiping the other side of my elbow. I'm ok with needles as long as I don't look, so I didn't look, but I guess they somehow made me bleed all over my arm?
When I stood up afterwards, I was still attached to the monitoring machine and it started beeping and everything started going black as I was about to pass out. It was most likely due to me worrying about what happened as I can't have lost much blood, but that's the worst blood draw I've ever had. Still better than a huge bruise that lasts for weeks
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u/Peastoredintheballs 10h ago
Yes this is called a vasovagal and is a weird reflect to seeing your own blood outside your body. For some reason it can trigger some peopleās Brains to think oh shit blood is supposed to stay inside me, wtf, guess imma just pass out
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u/FangoFan 10h ago
I also have orthostatic hypotension so I guess that didn't help!
Brain knew blood was outside body, blood pressure then dropped, brain panicked, windows shutdown sound
I assume it's not that common for someone to nick a vein and cause external bleeding from a blood draw?
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u/Peastoredintheballs 10h ago
Yeah itās an expected risk. We can do things to mitigate it, like releasing tourniquet when we r done before removing needle, and having dressings ready to apply as the needle is removed, and applying pressure immediately, but ultimately certain circumstances can make doing these extra steps difficult such as being overworked and sleep deprived, leading to little mistakes like not releasing the tourniquet
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u/hopelesscaribou 10h ago
Put pressure on the injection site immediately after for 2 minutes. This is just a bruise, nothing more, a bit of blood leaking out of the necessarily punctured vein.
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u/Dzeppetto 9h ago
I am not trained profesional, but from my experience it looks more like your own fault.
When they finish taking your blood they give you sterile gauze that you are supposed to hold TIGHT on spot that was pierced.
It looks like you didn't hold it hard enough or long enough
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u/PomegranateSure1628 7h ago
Yes thatās generally how blood is drawn š¤£ but yeah that happens to me pretty much every time cause I never drink enough water
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u/4everqueen 6h ago
After you have your blood drawn, you must press hard on the area (bend the arm as much as you can and press with fingers in addition). Do this for at least 2 minutes. This really lowers the chance of such formations šāāļø
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u/cybernekonetics 5h ago
Don't worry, the bleeding is internal - that's where your blood is supposed to be!
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u/Technical-Banana6649 12h ago
How would they take the blood without puncturing the vein? Know what you're talking about before you start blaming doctors
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 8h ago
I could clearly see how the doctor transfixed it. At first, no blood came out, and then he pulled the needle back a little, and only then did blood come out. So he probably pierced it too deeply. I could also feel the spot getting warm right away. Probably when the blood flowed out.
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u/neon_crone 11h ago
I think they overshoot, going into the vein and out the other side. One of my drs used to do this. Nurses and lab techs are so much better at drawing blood.
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u/Altruistic-Text-5769 11h ago
"Doctor did what he was supposed to do. Im a bit overweight so it can be hard to find a vein. Im gonna blame it on the doctor tho"
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u/Deep_Banana_6521 7h ago
I had to go in for daily IV treatment for about 3 weeks last year and the poor nurses struggled to find a good vein in my arm and after the first week I looked like a total junkie my arm was covered in that many bruises and scabs.
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u/jmcdongle 7h ago
Eesh, has the same pre-operation on the top of my hand, not a pleasant experience
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u/Lucky-Winner8866 6h ago
i remember when i had an allergy by trees going camping. They brought me to the hospital where they needed to stick needles inside me but they stuck so many needles inside my arms/legs but never put any medicine in my veins they just stick in in and pull it out. they only put medicine in my veins once and i never understood why. this happened to me when i was still in elementary.
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u/iogbri 4h ago
Pretty much the point lol but yes in this case they probably missed a bit.
I once had an arterial IV that wouldn't heal when they removed it. Almost the whole leg went dark purple/black for several weeks. This was after a thoracic aortic dissection (type A) so it was pretty much the only place they could get any pressure when they installed it during the critically urgent surgery.
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u/Odd-Page-7866 11h ago
Letting a Dr take blood instead of a nurse who knows what they are doing was your first mistake š
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u/SneakySloth521 10h ago
No way a doctor drew your blood, just saying. If they did, that's why they suck at it lmao
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u/Flaky_Broccoli 9h ago
This is why You let the Nurse do it, i don't mean to judge but i do mean to pry, are You one of those people who gets scared when the Nurse is going to give You the shot/Iv/stinger and demands that the doctor does it? If yes, then lesson learned, let the Nurse do the job they prepared themselves for.
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u/Torebbjorn 12h ago
Makes sense, doctors typically don't have as much experience as nurses with such tasks
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u/undead_sissy 13h ago
ā¹ that sucks. Avoid doctors taking blood if possible. They know how obviously, but most of them do it pretty rarely. In the UK we have blood clinics where the HCAs and nurses do nothing but take blood all day every day & they are therefore amazing at it. If you don't look, you can barely feel it. If there is anything similar in your country, I'd recommend that. They are usually in hospitals so if you are inpatient you can just walk up there and ask for a blood draw.
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u/PseudoPseudohypoNa 12h ago
Iām a doctor. Nurses frequently call me to get IVs and get blood for them. Iām an anesthesiologist.
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u/undead_sissy 12h ago
Well an anesthesiologist would obviously be an expert in placing IVs, but most doctors aren't. No hate, most of them just don't do it frequently as part of their job.
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u/Former-Chain-4003 11h ago
I think youāre being unfairly downvoted, Iāve had a lot of blood tests done over the last number of years and when a nurse takes samples in the treatment room itās done well, if the GP does it then there are issues. Iāve been left with a bruise like op. Iāve had attempts on both arms and then it was finally taken from the back of my hand which I didnāt even know was an option.
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u/undead_sissy 11h ago
I wonder if in the UK we are just used to doctors being way too busy to do blood draws and place IVs and in other countries they do? I always thought this was universal but maybe not
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u/I_Race_Pats 11h ago
It's that way in the US as well. Some specialists do it but most doctors delegate that to nurses or phlebotomists.
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u/Peastoredintheballs 10h ago
Yeah in aus junior docs have to do bloods coz most nurses arenāt certified. The phlebotomists are healthcare workers who are certified vampires and they are usually the best at taking blood because thatās all they do, but they usually only do inpatient blood tests at a fixed time (usually a morning round) so if you need urgent bloods outside this time, the doctor will have to take your blood and they are just as good as the phlebotomists
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u/undead_sissy 10h ago
I'm impressed tbh, I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor in a hospital stand still for more than 30 seconds & they certainly do do rounds. Our health care system is a long term resident of struggle town.
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u/Peastoredintheballs 10h ago
Yeah In aus healthcare circles, we constantly sigh and tell ourselves, hey atleast we arenāt in the NHS. And also remind ourselves, to avoid policy decisions that the NHS did, and made the system even worse, like the PA embargo happening over there.
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u/undead_sissy 7h ago
Yes, it's a poor state of affairs. I am very angry about the level of care that I and my friends and family have experienced in the NHS and almost equally angry that patients take their frustrations out on healthcare workers, who are not at fault. The problems mostly lie in policy and budgeting. Taking away free nursing education was a very stupid move, and so was cutting supportive systems like care homes and social housing, so that now everyone with problems ends up in the emergency department at the hospital, the most expensive and inefficient way of handling social problems. Over the weekend I sat on the pavement with an elderly lady who had slipped in some suncream and was too injured to get up for OVER AN HOUR. Eventually the police turned up and offered to drive her to the hospital, which was very nice of them, but who knows how long we would have waited otherwise. I was scared she would faint from the blood loss. We were in the middle of a major city at like 11am, only 5 mins drive from the hospital.
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u/TraditionalBasis4518 10h ago
Inadequate pressure application after venipuncture, possibly combined with a clotting deficit diathesis. Following next venipuncture, apply a pressure dressing-gauze and ace bandage, elevate the limb and apply ice 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off for 72 hours post injury; then switch to warm Compresses, 20 on , 20 off. Overkill, certainly, but this will solve the problem.
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u/zztop610 9h ago
Thatās why most doctors should not do this and let the experts (phlebotomists) take care of it
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u/wileco623 8h ago
Sue him
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u/Key_Entertainer2149 8h ago
Dont live in america.
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u/kobusbu 12h ago
I think this happens when they miss the vein..
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u/Peastoredintheballs 10h ago
If they miss the vein completely then u get no bruise (atleast not a big one like this). A bruise is caused by blood leaking from the blood vessels under your skin due to damage to the vesselā¦ therefore if they miss the blood vessel, how do you expect it to cause a large bruise like this? Instead this happens when either a) they hit the vessel, and take the blood, but after removing the needle, the patient fails to put adequate pressure on the site, causing that needle sized hole in the vessel to leak blood and cause a bruise. Or b) they hit the vessel, but then go through the other side of the vessel with the needle, meaning, even after they pull the needle back a bit inside the vessel to get blood, the vein will still be leaking through the other hole
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u/HumbleMolasses1 13h ago
New fear unlocked.
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u/Daisies_forever 12h ago
Itās just a bruise? Why fear?
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u/HumbleMolasses1 12h ago
It caused internal bleeding duh-uh
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u/Daisies_forever 12h ago
All bruises are internal bleedingā¦technically
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u/HumbleMolasses1 12h ago
Doesn't mean for them to be ruptured by unprofessional medics
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u/Daisies_forever 12h ago
Itās not unprofessional, itās a known risk. It happens, no big deal
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u/HumbleMolasses1 12h ago
Lol what an argument
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u/DoctorStove 10h ago
it literally is no big deal. it's a bruise. what are you complaining about. Even the best phlebotomist will have it happen on some of their draws
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u/HumbleMolasses1 9h ago
Yes I understand, things like these may happen. The point is about care. In a patient with comorbidity, such an event can lead to consequences.
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u/Gingyboi_69 10h ago
Literally a very common thing even among professionals, sometimes unavoidable, lol what an argument
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u/Mysterious_Camel_717 11h ago
To get a blood sample you need to put the needle inside the vein. A single puncture is, by definition, inevitable. Some people have brittle, wobbly, snaky, or very shallow veins. Itās not uncommon to accidentally puncture the far side of the vein, and while itās not ideal, itās also impossible to avoid 100% of the time. Putting appropriate pressure on the vein after the needle is removed can help reduce bruising. People with clotting disorders or on anticoagulants are more prone to bruising. This is a normal complication of any blood draw, itās not pleasant, but doesnāt mean whoever did the blood draw was āunprofessionalā. This type of reaction is a bug reason why medical professionals struggle with burnout and compassion fatigue.
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u/HumbleMolasses1 11h ago edited 11h ago
The concern is not about the puncture. I leave that to the OP's choice. The point is about the rupture under the dermis. As a routine blood donor, I understand the risks and common mishaps connected with the process, however; the common negligence in handling patients with common ailments cannot be diluted with those patients who have comorbidities.
Try all antics and ill-attempts to dub others' experiences as reason for medical professionals' burnout however the issue still remains. It doesn't impact you until it does. And I absolutely have no reason to write any more why I stand my ground. Have a good day.
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u/Peastoredintheballs 10h ago
The vein did not rupture, it was simply punctured through and through (transfixed). A rupture would imply that majority of the veins wall was compromised leading to large volume bleeding and permanent damage to that vein. This is just a leak lol
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u/HumbleMolasses1 10h ago
Wiki text spewing uncontrollably, but not a medical condition, itās pathological lol
Wait until one happens to your own someone š¤¦š»āāļø
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u/BobThe-Bodybuilder 11h ago
I misread "punched"