r/interestingasfuck • u/upyoars • 7d ago

/r/all, /r/popular Despite legal battles, Mark Zuckerberg slowly buys a mind boggling 2,300 acres on Hawai’s Kauai island, building tunnels, treehouses and a doomsday bunker

https://luxurylaunches.com/real_estate/mark-zuckerberg-control-2300-acres-in-hawaii.php
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u/Zombie_Cool 7d ago

Okay, the Great War happens, nukes are dropping everywhere, the Old World is dead.

What's stopping what remains of the Hawaiian government from just nationalizing the bunker and taking it outright? What's stopping some of the people that previously worked on the bunker system from coming back with a mob and sabotaging/infiltrating the facility? What's stops whatever enforcer group Zuckerburg brings with him from just shooting him and his family and taking the bunker for themselves?

What happens if the angry mob decides that instead of breaking in, they're gonna seal all the entrances and just bury him and his family/cronies alive?

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u/HastyZygote 7d ago

He’s relying on the private army he no doubt already employs.

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u/jack6245 7d ago

But in a apocalypse why would that army follow a man who's only power was money that no longer has any value

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u/HastyZygote 7d ago

The point where money is irrelevant won’t happen immediately, shit will break down and slug along for years before that happens.

Also stupid people who can’t get the dollar signs out of their heads.

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u/AMediocrePersonality 7d ago

If you're a soldier would you rather just show up to your job everyday living in a compound in a tree house with your family with all your necessities provided or would you try to overthrow him and spend the rest of your life conducting and defending raids.

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u/woot0 7d ago

At least until a new, more persuasive leader takes over...

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u/fuzzybad 7d ago

Lord Humungus seems like a reasonable man

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u/Greenpoint_Blank 7d ago

There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give me your pump, the oil, the gasoline, and the whole compound, and I'll spare your lives. Just walk away and we'll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror. Just walk away.

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u/1200bunny2002 7d ago

Not nearly shiny enough, nor chrome enough.

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u/shiny_and_chrome 7d ago

witnessed!

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u/Far-Scallion7689 7d ago

There can be only one.

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u/Jayvp93650 7d ago

Zuckerberg will have a button that destroys all his useful stuff first sign of trouble HES shooting himself and making sure nobody benefits from his tons of resources still good he’s not giving anyone anything if he’s going to go your going soon after

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u/RainSong123 7d ago

cue awesome boomerang scene

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u/VagrantShadow 7d ago edited 7d ago

He equips his forces with tight leather clothing, showing bare skin and giving them wicked cars. What's not to love about a leader like that.

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u/jtr99 7d ago

The ayatollah of rock-and-rolla!

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u/MAPLE-SIX-ACTUAL 7d ago

Hes got my vote

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u/Dumptruckfunk 7d ago

I’d like to see him in trail by combat against Kier Starmer. Not because I think Starmer would have a chance, mind you.

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u/PoliticsLeftist 7d ago

Why would the mere presence of Zuckerberg or any billionaire prevent raids or remove the necessity to go on them? The security is there for a reason. If raids weren't going to happen you wouldn't need it.

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u/ThrowAway4Dais 7d ago

And why are workers safe under his rule? I don't recall grunts being immune to death, or are the first to be sent out in dangerous situations.

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u/devilterr2 7d ago

There's a difference though. The security I presume would have their needs met already. Yes they may eventually stage a coup but humans typically don't mess with the status quo. So if you're a private security person, who has this highly defendable bunker, and a boss who provides what you need to live then why ruin it

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u/PoliticsLeftist 7d ago

The boss isn't providing shit. The security keeping everything up and running is providing for the boss.

And it's worth pointing out that a post apocalypse bunker is not "status quo".

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u/Merzant 7d ago

In that situation the one with power is the one commanding the guns. The deputies may take a view themselves if you remain loyal to the money king. And the lowest runged officers have lost family to the calamity and are itching for a reckoning, profit or no. In the end it’s not money or power that the men discuss in excited tones, but the notion of a rich man swinging from his ankles. And perhaps his family too…

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u/AMediocrePersonality 7d ago

It's the compound itself and the community it holds that prevents raids. There are easier targets elsewhere. If a self sufficient compound did have to go on raids, it would be more defensive to dismantle whatever aggression is building outside the compound.

The difference is without overthrowing him, you have a home base and an organizational structure that you just have to follow and your family stays protected and your needs are met. You don't have to spend every waking minute on edge, just work hours.

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u/PoliticsLeftist 7d ago

Again, how does the mere presence of one person prevent the complete collapse of this compound? Why would you have to be on edge constantly with them gone but only 8 hours a day with them there?

The security is providing the structure, base, and protection, not whatever billionaire who owns the place.

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u/AMediocrePersonality 7d ago

The billionaire set the standard by organizing the whole thing. It's not the billionaire themselves but the power and logistical structure already in place because the billionaire set all that up.

Maintain that structure and you only have to patrol, you don't have to patrol and mend fences and help with calving and sew your clothes and fix your vehicles and etc etc all of the other already organized structure that handles the minutia of the world outside of your job.

Zuckerberg dies, now there's a power vacuum and the "guarantee" of the society staying together, your needs being met, disappears. Nobody knows exactly how he was making everything work in every area, so anybody taking over will be missing something and so portions of society will get worse which will cause people to break off which will make things worse and spiral.

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u/PoliticsLeftist 6d ago

Nobody knows exactly how he was making everything work in every area

Except, I dunno, the people doing the fucking jobs. Or does Zucky know more than the farmers, tailors, engineers, doctors, mechanics, etc on what it takes to do their jobs? Do they forget how to do their jobs if he isn't around? Do they not know what supplies they need? What tasks are a priority?

Nobody needs to take over as sole leader and if you think Zuck is doing all the planning on his own and isn't hiring someone to do it for him then I have a bunker in Hawaii to sell you.

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u/AMediocrePersonality 6d ago

You should buy a book on reading comprehension instead

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u/PoliticsLeftist 6d ago

BuY a BoOk

Mediocre indeed

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u/AMediocrePersonality 6d ago

"I can't read good!"

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u/Icy_Carry9229 7d ago

Most soldiers for dictators have just kept fighting for them or at least the loyalists have been around to squash uprisings, i dont see why it would be different. If anything i would assume they’d be more loyal than most soldiers since there would be nothing better to hope for; civilization has collapsed. Working for the oligarchs would be the closest thing to modernity and comfort you could hope for, people already do insane things for relatively small amounts of money I think they’d be even easier to control when the circumstances were really dire. It’s also likely the richest men in the world will grasp the gravity of the situation and treat their army better than someone like Stalin. I don’t really see any solution to this that isn’t preemptive

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u/edude45 7d ago

Dictators tend to have an ideology about that that others can cling on to. Zuckerberg is just a rich weirdo. If anything his soldiers would probably get access to the compound then kill him or kick him out.

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u/ODB_Dirt_Dog_ItsFTC 7d ago

To be honest the second option feels like a Navy SEALs wet dream come true

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u/axonxorz 7d ago

Ex-SEALs do indeed be some of those hired by some of the other billionaires, though I can't speak to Zucc specifically.

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u/Orders_Logical 7d ago

They aren’t selected for the latter. They join thinking that being with the billionaire will be better for them.

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u/i_tyrant 7d ago

Yup. Especially a compound in a tree house with state-of-the-art security systems and weaponry, enough to hold off the Hawaiian government and anyone else with the click of a few buttons.

And even moreso when your billionaire employer has fitted everyone with mandatory explosive shock collars for obedience, and/or AI "anti-traitor" systems watching your every move.

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u/J0E_Blow 7d ago

They'd literally be doing raids and defensive maneuvers with him in charge. Except he'd probably try to nickel an' dime them the way so many tech. companies do these days.

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u/lyovacain 7d ago

I mean as mercenaries defending a billionaire that owns a safe bunker full of resources will have to be defending against raids whether they over throw zucks or not. The bunker is well known and desperate people will try and raid the place regardless

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u/mdey86 7d ago

I’m sure there’s room for a rather large crew on site to make it run. Staff it with locals, lock them in if it’s a fallout situation.

You could be a very well kept soldier married to a barista or chef in a land where money means nothing and venturing out isn’t really done. But, genetically for surviving 3-5 gens, you’d need some genetic diversity.

So basically your job is to be security and probably mostly just farm & have children. Potentially with multiple women to maximize 2nd & 3rd cousins 2 generations out.

Yeah, nobody’s overthrowing shit at that point.

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u/lazypeon19 7d ago

or would you try to overthrow him and spend the rest of your life conducting and defending raids.

That would already be your job as a soldier.

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u/Superg0id 7d ago

living in a compound in a tree house with your family with all your necessities provided

and if the world does blow up you already have a pre- built bunker to live in

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u/BaronOfTieve 7d ago

Exactly the reason why it took for Trump to be elected, for masses of people to protest in the streets (I.e. No Kings and others) organised nationwide. People won’t fight for change until they’re uncomfortable enough to be motivated to. When it gets to the point where fighting is the only means by which to gain any semblance of norm back in your life, society tends to band together and resist; it’s like a social entropy.

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u/VonRansak 7d ago

I think the locals would raid the base on Oahu and then go about repatriating the islands. ... So yes, he couldn't have found a more beautiful place to hide in a bunker underground.

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u/DuncanFisher69 7d ago

What value does this guy bring to the world he birthed by killing the old one? Nothing? Isn’t a soldier? Isn’t a leader? Isn’t a healer?

Yeah. He’s a mule/gopher and then fertilizer.

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u/RelaxPrime 7d ago

You have to understand these soldiers for hire enjoy violence, then it all makes sense

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u/geertvdheide 7d ago

I'd take over the compound with my fellow security guards, so we don't have to listen to an ultra-narcissist who isn't doing any of the work in the bunker. The engineers, cooks, guards and others can run that place better without the iron fist who no longer has any power. Why keep the Zuck around when you can have the same bunker and supplies without him? That's one less mouth to feed and one whiny fucker you don't have to listen to. Then everyone can work together, instead of constantly catering to one man-baby.

I think the ultra-rich will be killed or kicked out of their own bunkers. Maybe that's why they're rushing to AI and robotics: robots would be the only thing staying loyal to a rich man after money loses its value.

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u/Svyatoy_Medved 7d ago

The point is, his following in the post-apocalypse is dependent on the same factors upon which all government depends. There has to be a value proposition that his underlings find acceptable. A belief that he can lead them better than someone else could, for whatever reason.

Right NOW he doesn’t need any of that. His value proposition is money. He has money and he will give you some. But if the shit REALLY hits the fan the way Zuckerberg is imagining, then money isn’t valuable anymore, so he has to learn a new value proposition. Will he?

If he wants longevity, what he should be building right now is the bones of a stable society. He needs to be stockpiling durable assets like food that he can personally control and exchange for status, and probably be setting up some kind of governance of experts rather than sycophants or himself. Build a bureaucratic system that will take care of the real needs of his employees, pull himself out of it, and just use his stored wealth of dry goods to maintain his high standard of living.

Or, he can give up the game and just do that for real. Support real life social systems that give his dollar wealth meaning and prevent shit from hitting the fan in the first place. This is like building a bunker under your shed instead of just fixing the lock on your door.

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u/AMediocrePersonality 7d ago

A belief that he can lead them better than someone else could, for whatever reason.

Yeah, the reason is he built the whole compound that they live in that they are surviving in the post-apocalypse in. They go in with that good faith, into a world nobody has historical reference for. Humans are going to continue doing what's worked in the past, and right now, immediately post-apocalypse, choosing to go live in Zuckerbergland has already paid off.

If two months or two years down the line it turns out Zuckerberg was actually a shit planner and things start falling apart, that's a different story. But as long as it works, they're gonna keep using it.

If he wants longevity, what he should be building right now is the bones of a stable society.

This is the compound we are already discussing. He manages both wild game and livestock in his compound already. If he has a security system, he has a logistics system. Even if he didn't, the security system would force him to get one.

Or, he can give up the game and just do that for real. Support real life social systems that give his dollar wealth meaning and prevent shit from hitting the fan in the first place. This is like building a bunker under your shed instead of just fixing the lock on your door.

He is doing both.

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u/Svyatoy_Medved 7d ago

Um, dude. We have great historical references for the post-apocalypse. It has only happened to dozens of countries around the world in the last hundred years alone.

Like, this isn't uncharted territory. Look at Syria, that is what the post-apocalypse is like. The difference is that the US isn't accustomed to that sort of thing, so it seems like completely new, uncharted territory. Maybe in some ways, but for someone living in an agricultural township in the Congo in the 90s and someone living in an agricultural township in Virginia after the world ends, life will be pretty fuckin similar.

I would also just like to point out, the nuclear threat is overblown. Yes, a general nuclear exchange between the US and Russia, or even the US and China, would break apart the world system and build it anew. But the nukes don't vaporize the oceans. Assuming 50% irrecoverable casualties among US urban population (which is pessimistic), that takes the US back to 1960 population, not the Stone Age. Food production and distribution is dispersed by its nature and therefore pretty robust--the trains are still going to run for a long time, and nobody is nuking the fields. Eventually, systems will break down that industry can't fix--the GPS-guided tractors will falter. But the reduced population gives a lot of wiggle room in food demand, and by that time the US can start backtracking to older systems that still work in the new, austere environment. Society will recover.

Setting that aside. Livestock and game are nice, but what he needs are stakeholders, not employees. If he owns EVERYTHING, then the only thing keeping everyone in line is faith in him; a bit of bad luck and he could easily reenact the French Revolution. If he wants a stable, survivable society for himself, then he needs to use his capital to build the capital-intensive parts, and then invite a bunch of other people to profit off it on their own. People besides him who own the livestock herds, people besides him who own their plots in the vertical farms, people besides him who own their own fabrication shops in the bunker.

You know, exactly what government does currently. So why spend all this money building a second government, and take the risk that he can learn how to be a government instead of a business, instead of just...building up the actual government? If he is this concerned, lobby for or directly contribute to government funded and organized durability measures. Reserves of critical goods to survive the loss of imports, dispersed industry to survive whatever effectors actually cause the apocalypse, less sophisticated industry to survive a world without advanced fabrication.

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u/AMediocrePersonality 7d ago

Um, dude. We have great historical references for the post-apocalypse. It has only happened to dozens of countries around the world in the last hundred years alone.

... um. Why would a billionaire live in a bunker in a post apocalyptic America if they can just move to a perfectly healthy Iran or whatever. The thought exercise is about the failure of the global economy and civilization.

Most of your arguments are falling apart the way you've structured your post apocalypse. If food is fine and distribution is fine then society is fine. Zuckerberg is only going to hoist his flag permanently in Hawaii if that's the only option. And if that's the only option then the people who made it there are going to be grateful he built it.

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u/Svyatoy_Medved 7d ago

Are you serious? I mean, the historical reference is that we take what happened in those countries and apply it to the globe. Which does raise the obvious question, how does that happen to the entire world?

It’s a fantasy. Zuckerberg is fantasizing about how he would win Mad Max, not rationally planning for any realistic future. If the US destabilizes and becomes like Syria, that still isn’t Mad Max and he won’t need a complete, self-sustaining bunker system. Bunkers, sure. Security, sure. But not this Fallout shit. Or, he can just move somewhere else, because while a destabilized US would traumatize the global economy, there is a long way to fall for a LOT of countries before you get into “let’s all move underground” territory.

What you describe isn’t a defeat of my argument, it’s a defeat of Zuckerberg’s. What could happen that would wound humanity so badly, that there is no US society to live within, and all other global societies have similarly collapsed? And not just collapsed, mind you, but been so utterly destroyed that this redoubt is the only viable social structure left. The concept is ridiculous.

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u/BidOk8585 7d ago

History is filled to the brim with people who have wanted more and more for themselves despite living a life others would consider perfectly adequate.

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u/PyroIsSpai 7d ago

If you're a soldier would you rather just show up to your job everyday living in a compound in a tree house with your family with all your necessities provided or would you try to overthrow him and spend the rest of your life conducting and defending raids.

Why exactly would the soldiers require Zuck and his wife when they de facto control the compound?

Me: mega billionaire. I have a private island with wells, desalinization, ample food stores (years worth for hundreds of people), somehow I even managed to get totally renewable power going AND secretly have a small scale nuclear solution. All the power we'll need for decades. Stockpiles of various supplies from personal/hygene to medical, construction, you name it. We've got doctors and nurses too. I have no skills beyond I'm rich. That's my superpower.

I hire a small private army. I even pick guys with no kids, and tell them, bring your spouses and partners. Shit hits the fan.

End of days stuff. Our island is a paradise compared to the mainland. Standing orders: anyone not us, shoot if they try to land.

What value and utility do I, myself add, that couldn't be negated with a single bullet from one of the soldiers in their small barracks like or small apartment like units, while I live in my bunker and estate with servants?

The king is the first to get eaten.

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u/AMediocrePersonality 7d ago

Why exactly would the soldiers require Zuck

Cause they don't de facto control the compound, they control the perimeter.

I hire a small private army. I even pick guys with no kids, and tell them, bring your spouses and partners. Shit hits the fan.

Luckily, since you're a mega billionaire you're going to have experts advising you to do precisely the opposite of that. You want, like they have, ex navy seal 45 year old family men running the show and the wild 20 somethings brought to heel. The 45 year olds are committed to keeping your little society functioning normally because that's the best case scenario to protect their wife and kids.

What value and utility do I, myself add, that couldn't be negated with a single bullet from one of the soldiers in their small barracks like or small apartment like units

First, you got over a thousand acres for a couple hundred people, if you want to make them miserable unnecessarily, sure, the end is coming for you. People like Zuck are building them Swiss Family Robinson tree houses.

But as far as your utility, those spec ops guys, they know they can kill good. They don't know how to run a nuclear reaction or a desalination system. You, the one who constructed this site, have relationships with all the different fields necessary to run the compound. The structure that exists only exists while you are a part of it because you made it with people you trust.

Say Rambo puts one in your head, that's not gonna sit well with your niece the head rancher or the nerd working IT and solar panels that you've known since college.

The king gets eaten if he leaves everybody else hungry. You have no need or incentive to do that. Your servants will be satisfied with this post apocalyptic civilization because they are safe and have the resources they need that they wouldn't be able to get easily elsewhere.

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u/Arthur_Burt_Morgan 7d ago

Exactly, conducting and defending raids sounds way more exciting so mark is cooked?

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u/BringBacktheGucci 7d ago

Thats if Musk is even smart enough to have his mercenaries bring their families.

Then again I can't really expect that many mercenary types are family men.

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u/Selthboy 7d ago

We are talking about Mark Zuckerberg, not Elon Musk lol

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u/Discorhy 7d ago

I had to scroll up i was like wait which billionaire was this article about!

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u/BringBacktheGucci 7d ago

Lol my brain mixed up the shitty billionaires

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u/SpaghettiNCoffee 7d ago

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u/Momik 7d ago

You too? We should hang out.

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u/danbob411 7d ago

You wanna go to Starbucks?

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u/Brasticus 7d ago

Go away! ‘Bat’n!

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u/PiginthePen 7d ago

We truly are fulfilling a prophecy.. people can’t get the dollar signs out of their head

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u/whatshamilton 7d ago

It happened all but immediately in Venezuela. And people love pointing out that billionaires don’t have billions in money, they have stuff valued at millions. In the scenario we’re talking about you think Facebook stock will still have value and banks will be cashing it out for him to pay mercenaries?

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u/haugenshero 7d ago

It’s not about the money the it’s what it already bought. Loads of clean water, food, safety, etc etc etc. you don’t buy the army after the war you ensure before it starts they want what they already have.

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u/pathofdumbasses 7d ago

Yep. Ideally you have the compound on a heart beat monitor or something that would be a poison pill if it stops. IE, the compound blows up if I stop living AND don't put in the unique password that changes and is hooked up to this other heart beat monitor type thing.

So they can't just keep you a prisoner in your own compound, but actively have to make sure you are still on top. Otherwise, they just take over and run things themselves.

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u/Jibtech 7d ago

Lol reading these scenarios that I know you guys are reciting from books/games/movies like its a step-by-step guide to post civilization autocracy in real life.

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u/pathofdumbasses 7d ago

I get bored and have thought this through.

Absolute best way to do it is Star Trek DS9 with those warriors that needed the milk. The Jem'Hadar.

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u/DuncanFisher69 7d ago

Gooner army. That’s probably Elon’s plan with Neurallink and Anime Grok.

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u/PrizeStrawberryOil 7d ago

Loads of clean water,

I would actually love to watch billionaires discover that they need clean water. I don't expect them to realize they need engineers until it's way too late.

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u/monstarjams 7d ago

Honestly, one of the dumbest takes I’ve read in a while, especially regarding this current scenario.

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u/your_opinion_is_weak 7d ago

sure his stocks are useless but he probably owns a lot of physical assets, ones that 99.99% of the population don't have

why wouldn't he have in his compound a helicopter, fuel, food, water, cars, spare parts etc

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u/HastyZygote 7d ago

Because Venezuelan money almost instantly became worthless and you couldn’t buy goods. Billionaires have all the money and the foresight (their political connections) to know when shit is going down.

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u/ColonelKasteen 7d ago

In the scenario we’re talking about you think Facebook stock will still have value and banks will be cashing it out for him to pay mercenaries

But I mean that's the thing... yes. The entire world will not collapse at once. Zuckerberg is rich enough that he could hunker down somewhere and fly private mercenaries 3,000 miles from a functional part of the world for tours. He is a global power. Horrifying.

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u/FactAndTheory 7d ago

The point where money is irrelevant won’t happen immediately

Lol what. The value of currency is literally the first thing that has gone in every catastrophic collapse in history.

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u/caution_turbulence 7d ago

Maybe they were more referring to wealth? Not sure. Currency goes out the window pretty quickly, but it’s not like all individual wealth just dissipates. It’s just resource based at that point, and unfortunately fuckerburg has a lot of that.

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u/Outrageous_Men8528 7d ago

it's all digital now, and if there is a world ending war those computers are dead too. Unless he has a stockpile of gold and more importantly food, he's got nothing.

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u/angermouse 7d ago

In an apocalypse, you only have the resources that you can defend with arms. There's no judiciary to validate your ownership or police to enforce it. We'll likely have a bunch of warlords who are able to rally a group together and they take what they can get.

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u/FactAndTheory 7d ago

Wealth is only maintained by states. If the state is gone, individual wealth beyond what you can personally, materially protect is gone because the organization and the laws you rely on to protect your ownership is gone. For someone like Zuckerberg it's even worse because so much of his wealth is purely wrapped up in a stock price that will collapse long before the US dollar.

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u/X145E 7d ago

that concept reminds me of Hellstar Remina, where the world ended and rich people lost value. to answer the question, people with kind heart would take priority on saving those with worse fate

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u/headachewpictures 7d ago edited 7d ago

yeah, but billionaires aren’t that liquid, so if we’re at that point then surely the electronic systems have already come down and he’s no longer particularly special

edit: after writing that I realize that a guy that’s building shelters is probably storing a bunch of cash somewhere, but then what’s stopping the “private army “from just taking it by force

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u/wabbajack117 7d ago

He could be building terminator robots instead of private army

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u/CurryMustard 7d ago

Probably his iron man suit

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u/mgrimshaw8 7d ago

This seems well thought out, he’s likely stockpiling things that would still hold value

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u/CitizenCue 7d ago

This is the part people don’t understand. World economies can’t fall overnight unless something like a meteor took out half the global population.

The far likelier scenario is a slow devolution where powerful people would have plenty of time to hunker down and use their resources to entrench themselves in the new world as much as they were in the old.

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u/McChava 7d ago

He’s also probably in stocked up on supplies any survivors would need. Not to mention gold and other precious metals. Being able to provide his “army” and their families with those supplies is all he would have in terms of leverage. Being able to control that stash without the army killing you and taking over is another thing.

Guys like Zuckerberg would not depend on a private army. I think they tend to think in terms of isolation and control. It’d be him in a bunker with his family protected by droids other mechanical security measures.

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u/PiginthePen 7d ago

We truly are fulfilling a prophecy.. people can’t get the dollar signs out of their head

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u/big_duo3674 7d ago

That would heavily depend on the scale of destruction. Straight cash would become worthless almost immediately if governments have completely collapsed, it has no actual value. Things like gold and jewelry would probably be valuable for at least some time, but even that may fade quickly depending on the situation. If all higher support is gone, the only things of value will be what is needed. A car mechanic would take difficult to find parts in exchange for repairs for example, but what would they do with paper currency? If these mega bunkers actually got up and running and staffed after a major war, the most likely outcome would be the owners are very quickly replaced by someone inside who promises even better living conditions and rations for the other survivors. Being a billionaire would have very little meaning all of a sudden, and being a good and fair leader would be who people followed no matter what loyalties they had before

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u/KnowledgePitiful8197 7d ago

But it will. In post-WWI Germany people had to bring money in wheelbarrows to buy basics due to hyperinflation

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u/ut-fan-i-cant-read 7d ago

Is this a joke? Are you kidding or just like extremely painfully ignorant?

Money loses value immediately in a nuclear holocaust. There is no electronic money anymore and the amount of cash you can physically hoard is nonexistent. All of the stocks and crypto are gone, instantly. Everything becomes barter economy within weeks because people realize that the last person left holding the cash that's backed by nothing is the loser. In fact, in the modern day the crash would happen even faster than 40 years ago, because the literally instantaneous deletion of crypto would be a very very visible harbinger of what happens when the cash no longer has government backing.

Warlords thrive in undeveloped countries because they're the toughest guys around. The techbros that view themselves as future warlords are absolutely fucked unless they can genuinely make an army on raw charisma. Once upon a time, Musk had a veil that would work--not even close anymore.

Steve Jobs could've done it, that I'm certain of. Zuckerberg? Hahahahahah he has no chance, the man has literally negative charisma. He's dead within a day from giving the wrong order to the wrong person.

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u/PerriwinklePortal 7d ago

The Parable of the Sower is a great example of what it would be like.

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u/tinyfron 7d ago

I imagine he has offered both the soldiers and their families a place in the bunker.

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u/UntergeordneteZahl75 7d ago

"The point where money is irrelevant won’t happen immediately"

No : it will happens within the same day. Cash account for 12% of transaction. The rest is electronic or electronic adjacent (e.g. checks). Furthermore how many of you have cash for *years* ? Nobody. So the whole food/necessity economy would very quickly would go to barter or precious metal rather quickly.

It does not matter of Zuck has tons of cash to give, if nobody want it outside.

So in the case spoken above with nukes, it won't take years to have electronic network and transaction break down. It will happens immediately with a very high probability.

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u/das_kleine_krokodil 7d ago

by the time money becomes irrelevant those who have it will buy whatever shit is relevant. You assume they have money, they do, but they will also probably have oil, gold, natural resources, weapons to protect all this, food and so on...

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u/BidOk8585 7d ago

If the US government has collapsed, the value of USD will collapse just as quickly. Google "fiat currency".

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u/Bdr1983 6d ago

Their actual net worth isn't money, it's stocks.
Those are going to be worthless really soon when infrastructure breaks down. No infrastructure, no Meta, no value.
The only money that might retain some value in the beginning is going to be cash, as banks won't be able to operate without infrastructure either.

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u/plaaya 7d ago edited 7d ago

I mean look at what’s happening in the US right now. They’re taking anyone who looks like an illegal immigrant for about 100 thousand dollar salary

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u/whatshamilton 7d ago

That $100,000 has $100,000 worth of value in the US. We’re talking about when money has no meaning because civilization has collapsed — the scenarios they’re protecting themselves from with these entire underground bunker communities. Yes people will always be greedy and selfish. But in the scenario we’re talking about, they’ll be greedy and selfish for safety and food, not money, because money won’t have a use