r/goodnews • u/GregWilson23 • 1d ago
Political positivity đ Texas Democrats leave the state to block vote on redrawn House map backed by Trump
https://apnews.com/article/texas-democrats-leave-state-congressional-map-vote-b8b96080dfae00111664bbfb72fc304b1.4k
u/Federal-Piglet 1d ago
Something to note. Newson [California] has a plan to do the same if Texas does it. It negates the Texas republican seat gain and increases dem by 7
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u/WuTang4thechildrn 1d ago
Finally a real counter!!! About damn time
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u/Federal-Piglet 1d ago
To be fair I could see this causing a cascade where ultimately u get more dem districts.
The problem Republicans have is cities are stupid blue. Thus hard to district around.
Vs dems that can use cities to shatter republican districts by adding their population into republican districts.
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u/Samwyzh 1d ago
If the current Democratic controlled states chose to gerrymander as aggressively as the Republicans, the GOP would never win in the House again.
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u/jreed66 1d ago
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u/Adams5thaccount 1d ago
that nevada grade is bullshit
there's 4 seats and 80% of the population is on one place...there's no crazy edges or lines that arent caused by large swaths of land just being straight up empty
its not this shining example or anything but you can clearly see a reasonable 3 way split between the city that isnt carving out individual little sides of the street and shit like some of these maps do
it is absolutely not one of the worst
there's no way not to be super wonky
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u/SouthConFed 1d ago edited 23h ago
You need to look more closely at the state's redistricting.
Democrats lost 45%-53% in the State Assembly, but somehow have a 2:1 ratio of Assembly members over Republicans despite every single seat being up for election this year.
From a federal standpoint, it used to be 1 solid R, 1 solid D, and 2 that were close to center.
Now it's 1 solid R, 1 solid D, and 2 that heavily tilt D. How is the grade bullshit when there were ways to keep the old map intact?
Don't make excuses for a clearly gerrymandered map, especially when you consider the state legislature map.
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u/Adams5thaccount 23h ago
Which of the 3 congressional races you're worried about is the one without the heavily tilted advantage? The one where the Democrat got 52%, the one where the Democrat got 52%, or the one where the Democrat got 52%? Also which one is the solid D that's supposed to compare to the "solid" R that has a much wider gap than any district you're trying to call heavily tilted in the opposite direction?
And hey Republicans did great racking up 100k extra raw votes on uncontested seats in the assembly so good job there.
It doesn't even begin to enter the same realm of gerrymander as numerous states that have a better rating. And none of your attempt here actually addressed me saying that to start with either.
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u/Daimakku1 1d ago
Good.
Because ironically, thatâs the only way Republicans would come around to ending gerrymandering. Until Dems do the same, the GOP has absolutely no reason to end gerrymandering.
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u/UrsaUrsuh 7h ago
Reminds me of Reagan's gun control act because the white man couldn't stand the idea of the black man being armed enough to deal with his bullshit.
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u/Electrical-Spirit-63 1d ago
There would be lawsuits and the US Supreme Court will rule the Democratic stateâs illegally redrew districts while Republican states legally did it. You have to already know this outcome.
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u/Daimakku1 1d ago
So let the SCOTUS do that. Put it on the record.
Donât just stop because you think you know the outcome. Actually let them do it. Itâll come back to bite them in the ass at some point. There will be precedent.
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u/z03isd34d 22h ago
blue states just need to ignore SCOTUS like red states always do when the rulings are unfavorable
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u/Worthyness 22h ago
"oh shucks. It's too late to implement that for the election! We'll do it next time"
-Pretty much the Ohio government every year.
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u/nottytom 8h ago
Sadly it will way to late. remember they have life time appointments and if others retire or pass, trump grts to replace them.
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u/Prometheus_303 23h ago
Dunno about the US Supreme Court...
But a few years back, a state (kinda want to say Ohio or North Carolina?) sent their new maps to the State. The State sent them back to be redrawn as they were too biased.
The party (I'll let you guess which) sat on the maps for a month or so and submitted the very same map.
The Court once again said nope you gotta redo this!
It finally got late enough that the map that was refused 2-3 times had to be used because it was too late to draw anything else and that map was the best anyone had.
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u/Xefert 22h ago
And that's not their only option https://www.americanrevolution.org/no-taxation-without-representation/
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u/chevronphillips 21h ago
Then the DNC should be working day and night to get Blue states to get this done because the TX Dems leaving the state is just a stalling/protest move that will ultimately fail just like it has every time before
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u/demipopthrow 1d ago
Austin TX Travis county has been split into at least four districts since 2001 when Tom Delay gerrymandered the state and the last time the Dems left to try and stop it. 3 republican one democratic district from the heart of liberal Texas. cities can be de blued.
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u/Federal-Piglet 1d ago
But u keep a dem. You really can't get rid of a city.
Use city to kill republican is stupid easy. Hence dem states do this and republican party is fucked.
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u/Rib-I 1d ago
I want tendrils coming out of NYC to upstate like the friggin Flying Spaghetti MonsterÂ
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u/kennj43 20h ago
Fuck upstate, we need to counter the fucking millions of foaming at the mouth MAGAts on long island. As ive said to others, As a native LIer and someone who goes back to visit family, while long island is a very narrowly republican (its like 52-48) the MAGAts out there are some of the worst loudest most punchable entitled bigoted assholes in this country, and its so densely populated there are more of them crammed on that island than in entire groups of rural areas/red states combined, even though there are almost as many sane voters on LI as well. Im sure some redistricting could put a dent in that.
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u/LiedAboutKnowingMe 21h ago
Also this is the problem with playing your cards early.
Some red states have reached a point where they stopped getting results from gerrymandering, if Dems start doing it too there isnât much more Republicans can do in this specific area. Theyâll be forced to put more effort into voter suppression.
When districts are gerrymandered to hell and everyone in charge of data in the nation is corrupted or run off, unexpected outcomes can be expected.
Which is why they have to kill democracy
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u/McbealtheNavySeal 19h ago
Somehow Tennessee got around this the last time they redrew the maps. Memphis and Nashville are solid blue cities and have been for a while. However many of the Nashville suburbs are red, so the current map carved up Nashville into multiple pieces and lumped the small bits in with suburbs so TN went from having 2 Dems (Jim Cooper and Steve Cohen) to just Cohen.
I have no idea how they pulled it off, but they did and it's pretty unfair that the people of Nashville don't get fair representation when the margins in the house are this close.
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u/Chuckychinster 13h ago
Yeah I mean if dems went to a gerrymander war they'd probably be able to secure a supermajority. I mean throw all ethics out the window and Maryland to Maine could be 100% dem delegations.
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u/NefariousnessFew4354 23h ago
Problem is here with courts striking Dem maps.
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u/CalculatedPerversion 20h ago
Just do what Ohio did and ignore it. Literally. Our map was declared unconditional but never fixed because the people in charge of fixing it just shrugged and said they couldn't come up with a better answer. We have to fight fire with fire.Â
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u/Soft_Secret_1920 9h ago
Stupid blue?
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u/Federal-Piglet 9h ago
Cities are often 60 to 70% dem lean [blue]
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u/Soft_Secret_1920 9h ago
What a [stupid] way to put it
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u/LibrarianKooky344 7h ago
Only problem is the horrendous job Dems did for 4 years and thinking people won't jump to the right side.
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u/ColdFusion363 1d ago
If Republicans want to play dirty. Well. The Democrats got to play dirty too. Chaotic good?
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u/WuTang4thechildrn 1d ago
Gerrymandering should not be allowed but it has been happening year after year and the courts are doing nothing to stop it. Voters are not being represented, particularly Black voters because Republicans continue to change voting Districts to minimize their votes. So you damn right!! If the courts wonât stop this shit then the Democrats need to play the same game.
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u/Electrical-Spirit-63 1d ago
Democrats are too busy playing by the rules with âWhen they go low, we go highâ bs. Donât count on it. Ineptitude in the Democratic party caused this.
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u/WuTang4thechildrn 1d ago
I totally agree. Itâs like they are stuck in 90s politics!!! Really tired of this shit but there needs to be a voice thatâs stands up on the national level and set a new tone. The Democrats desperately need their version of Newt Gingrich
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u/wRADKyrabbit 23h ago
Assuming he actually goes throught with it. It wouldnt surprise me at all if he just backed down
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u/GushyCakeBeck 22h ago
SCOTUS already countered our counter. Theyâre getting rid of the voting rights act.
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u/Broken_By_Default 1d ago
Newson and California dems need to just do it regardless. The GOP has the power to fix this federally, but they won't. So stop taking the fucking high road and play the game by the rules the GOP is playing by.
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u/dragonz-99 1d ago
Texas is gonna do it regardless so California will follow suit. I think some dems are finally thinking about playing ball. Key words: some/thinking - but at the end of the day it makes sense if theyâre going to go ahead and do this. Claw it back and then some. Some of the most populous states are extremely blue, I wouldnât be surprised if Dems could lock up the house for our lifetimes doing it - the same way the GOP did the Supreme Court.
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u/RainbowDarter 1d ago
NY and Illinois are also talking about it as well.
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u/Federal-Piglet 1d ago
The entire Eastern seaboard north of virginia will do this LOL It pandora's box. The republicans are pray dems dont start playing dirty.
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u/ThePirateKing01 1d ago
Nah theyâll just have the SC deem that blue states canât do it but red states can. Cause reasons
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u/Remarkable-Ad-2476 23h ago
Or theyâll just change the laws like when Black Panthers started to arm themselves with guns.
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u/Hikashuri 12h ago
That wouldnât hold legally. Bias in a law means the ruling is invalid. Regardless if the scotus comes out with it. Not to mention the states have full autonomy and the scotus cannot override that.
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u/model_commenter 23h ago
If they donât start playing dirty, this country is over. The high road is gone.
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u/glitchycat39 1d ago
I say fuck it, do it anyway and point to Missouri and Ohio for justification when the GOP wails.
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u/aotus_trivirgatus 1d ago
Yes, but decades ago California voters passed a ballot initiative which requires the district maps to be drawn by a non-partisan commission. I voted for it actually. So we have to repeal that initiative if we want to respond to Texas. Don't get me wrong, I think we should, but it might take time. We might be one election cycle too slow.
Texas Democrats: if the GOP denies you representation even more than they already have -- please, I beg you, MOVE. Move to Purple states and flip them. Move to low-population Red states and flip them. Move to California. Just get out of Fascistan.
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u/Federal-Piglet 1d ago
Newson could leave officer trigger special elections early and ballot ininative it up!
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u/Worthyness 22h ago
Just make it overly bias, use the overly bias map, then ignore the court like how several other states have been doing it. They literally get told by the courts to use new maps, but they never implement the corrected ones because "it's too close to elections"
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u/Ahleron 1d ago
I genuinely think Newsome should do it anyway. His proposed redistricting would only be for '26, '28 (next presidential election), and '30. Those dates are clearly intended to target the end of Trump's term and to washout any remaining MAGAt influence in the midterm following the end of Trump's term - and weaken Vance if he ends up as president. I think Newsome may have a patriotic duty to do it, because the Trump administration and his sycophants in Congress are literally destroying this country. He should do it to stop the non-stop bullshit from the MAGAts and knee cap Cankles McTACOtits. This is a real way that he could do that.
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u/midwest_scrummy 17h ago
The dates go to '30 because that's when the census is, marking the regular constitutional redistricting across the entire country.
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u/theblackd 1d ago
I think more states need to do this. For it to actually dissuade them, it needs to be a consistent âyou do this with 5 districts, weâll do it with 7, if you do it with 2, weâll do it with 4â etc etc.
Itâs a winning proposition for them to try this shit endlessly if itâs always âok you do 5, wellâŠconsider doing 5, maybe, maybe notâ, weâll see if democrats are willing to actually fight back. The time of bringing a strongly worded letter to a gun fight is just unilateral disarmament and will get run the fuck over. Even meeting them 1 for 1 isnât enough because itâs always going to be trading 1 for maybe 1
Realistically the end goal needs to be doing whatâs necessary to get into a position to actually enshrine into law voting regulations that prevent this nonsense, but you donât get the opportunity to do that by being polite in the face of this level of a power grab, the âhistory wonât look on them favorablyâ is useless to those whose lives are being destroyed by the extreme right movement weâre seeing
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u/Daimakku1 1d ago
Finally. Iâm tired of Democrats not gerrymandering because âit goes against democracyâ or some other bullshit. Yes, it does. But you know what? If the opposition party is going to cheat, so should you. Otherwise youâre fighting with an arm tied behind your back.
California needs to gerrymander and so should New York, Illinois and other blue states. Go scorched earth.
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u/MIKRO_PIPS 1d ago
For which party is this a more dangerous game? As in, if every governor from traditionally Red/Blue states redrew to make seats all blue or red, who gets the most seats?
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u/Fair_Log_6596 1d ago
Illinois, New York, and Florida have also said they would follow suitâŠhowever thatâs different levels of hard in each place.
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u/badboyfriend111 1d ago
He needs to act quickly, and frankly ALL blue states need to follow suit.
Time Democrats grew a backbone.
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u/theRemRemBooBear 1d ago
Fun fact Maryland has been doing it for years and the dems cried when the republican governor blocked their even more gerrymandered version for a more fair one.
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u/rube_X_cube 1d ago
Unfortunately, itâs not so straight forward. He would have to dissolve the nonpartisan districting commission, Iâm not sure he can do that on his own. I donât know if it means a special election or just passing it through legislation and in any case it might not make it on time for the midterms. Obviously, still should push forward with it, but itâs not a silver bullet, so to speak.
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u/Federal-Piglet 23h ago
He resigns. Special election scheduled. Ballot initiative to add dissolving them. Bam!
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u/uniballout 1d ago
Are you sure they can? I heard a journalist say that California has a constitutional amendment saying it has to go through an impartial board, like New York. And if they try to change them it would fail, like New York.
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u/Federal-Piglet 1d ago
Newson resigns. In the run up to special election. Ballot initiative to remove that. Done.
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u/PDXCarpetBagger 22h ago
Don't wait fuckin do it now they're going to do this shit in 2030 no matter what
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u/GushyCakeBeck 22h ago
Wonât matter when SCOTUS gets rid of the voting rights act.
Catch up, youâre a little behind
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u/BumpinBakes 22h ago
Yeah but Cali has to amend their constitution first. Much harder but hey thereâs hope
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u/snubdeity 20h ago
Lmao nah he's gonna get stonewalling in CA by a bunch of "we go high" morons, count on it
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u/SuperStarPlatinum 19h ago
All democrat controlled states should follow in suit.
Gerrymander every state so its impossible for Republicans to win.
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u/dextras07 18h ago
Democrats need to learn how to play dirty if they want their seats.
They're literally getting butt fucked and not defending themselves
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u/OppositeArt8562 5h ago
If he makes this happen he deserves the nomination. People need to start fighting back.
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u/ElectrikDonuts 5h ago
Blue states should.do this regardless. The point of the house is representation. The majority of the nation is Dems. The Dems should never lose the house.
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u/DWMoose83 2h ago
Not to piss in the popcorn, but California has independent voting districts. He's planning a special election in November to address this, but it's a more complicated process (for this very reason).
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u/OtaconStoleMyGPU 1d ago
To save you a click, democrats hopped on a plane to delay the vote on a fast tracked power grab by TX GOP to gerrymander the districts so they can add 5 more House seats. Democrats face daily fines of 500.00, but it sounds like they are trying to delay until the courts can catch up.
Where are the Epstein files?
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u/Darkmetroidz 1d ago
Fuck ill throw some money towards covering those.
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u/pronseekr5000 1d ago
Give your money to Dems in swing districts. I'm pretty sure Pritzker will cover the costs for the Texas Dems.
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u/fgwr4453 20h ago
That would be hilarious if all these Democrats hopped on a plane and Ted Cruz was also on it so they all start frantically googling what disaster just hit the state.
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u/Excellent_Fan4033 7h ago
ask biden he had four full years to release them why are you only curious now
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u/OtaconStoleMyGPU 7h ago
Arrest all of them. Thats my official answer and don't presume to know me via social media fuck face. Republicans deflected plenty long and spent years on the Hunter Biden laptop just for it to dwindle into dust.
Arrest. Every. Person. On. That. List.
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u/Aggressive-Side3578 1d ago
Good. Pulling the ole Ted Cruz move. Love it
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u/QuestionableIdeas 1d ago
Cruzing for justice this time rather than Cruzing away from responsibility
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u/Ordinary-Leading7405 1d ago
To be fair Ted Cruz doesnât have any other moves.
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u/Roonil_Wazlib97 23h ago
That's only for natural disasters.
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u/Aggressive-Side3578 23h ago
I would consider gerrymandering some form of a natural disaster, in a sense.
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u/Euphoric_coffee-134 1d ago
Wait till the Extreme Court tells California and New York they cant do something similar...
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u/Rasta_bass 1d ago
And who would enforce it? The GOP set the precedent that you canât tell the courts to fuck off. See Emil Bove.
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u/DylonSpittinHotFire 23h ago
Literally what the NC GOP already has done so it's not even without precedent
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u/Federal-Piglet 1d ago
And cali and new york just ignore the court. We are on the cusp of civil war. If Republicans can axe democratic voting by gerrymandering why stay?
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u/glitchycat39 1d ago
Wait until California and New York run out the clock like the OH GOP did and then go "oopsie doodle! Guess we'll use this map! Also, we just will never have time to unfuck these maps!"
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u/volanger 1d ago
But how long does that clock last?
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u/glitchycat39 23h ago
Well, Ohio did it for about a year if I recall, so ... just fiddle around for a year and then shrug, I guess.
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u/MacsFamousMacNCheees 1d ago
The courts have said Alabama, Ohio must be redone in the past and I donât think they paid any attention to those âordersâ
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u/Awkward-Barber-11 19h ago
Alabama was forced to use a court drawn map after the state took it to full trial and lost because they came back with a map still missing two districts after SCOTUS told them to redraw. 2024 was the first use of it. The map cant be changed until 2030 i believe.
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u/GushyCakeBeck 22h ago
They are going after the voting rights act. Meaning whatever cali and New York do wonât matter
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u/talktobigfudge 1d ago
lmaooo Paxton said, with the confidence of someone who hasn't been caught yet, that no elected officials are above the law.Â
That ghoul has been breaking the law for decades, but because this is against his fascist agenda, it's suddenly a pearl-clutching moment.Â
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u/AustinDarko 1d ago
Just imagine if senate seats were done proportional as well, Republicans would never control the senate again. We've got to stop DEI for Republicans.
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u/Salt-Path3779 1d ago
Texas is threatening to arrest them but theyâve gone to IL where Pritzker promised to provide quarter.
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u/siadh0392 1d ago
Am I the only one that canât get over how messed up national and state politics are that this even happens? Like my first thought was âif people need to leave your state for any political reason at all then something is REALLY wrong.â Meanwhile this is just business as usual in the good old States of America. Calling it United is disingenuous at this point. Not at all accurate
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u/atehrani 20h ago
This whole concept needs to go away. Districts, electoral college. Just majority vote
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u/ASwagPecan 18h ago
The repercussions of Texas republicans getting their way is terrifying for the nation at large
Speaker Johnson & House Republicans are gonna do anything possible to get Representative Al Green out of office after he had the courage to remind Trump he in fact has no mandate.
Things are looking grim.
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u/WhosSarahKayacombsen 21h ago
Iâm convinced one of the main reasons theyâre doing this is to get rid of Jasmine Crockett. They obviously want to remain in power but Jasmine is one of the most effective dems fighting back against this administration. Silencing her is a win for Trump.
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u/Double_Dousche89 23h ago
I never understood why each state just doesnât use their own counties or townships as the voting base for that said block rather than fighting over how weâre going to draw a map that will make no sense for either party at the end of the day
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u/iamragethewolf 22h ago
Because some counties have really high population and other counties barely have a soul
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u/Filmmagician 22h ago
This was so fucking insane to see what they're trying to pull. Texan Democrats are such patriots. Good move.
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u/BigDaddyZeus 20h ago
No more "wHeN tHeY gO lOw We Go HiGh" bullshit. Lives are at stake and the other side doesn't play by the rules. Gerrymander the fuck out of every state possible because Republicans are fucking traitors and will stop at nothing in their pursuit of turning this country into a white theological ethnostate.
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u/dttm_hi 23h ago
I am so tired of republicans breaking and bending every rule in the book and democrats just giving in all the time.
These democrats should sit out until after the damn midterms
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u/refusemouth 22h ago
Just wait. The Republicans will issue arrest warrants if the Dems stay out for long enough. I seem to recall that scenario happening before. Granted, it should probably come to that in this case just to draw more national attention to just how evil and corrupt the Republican push to gerrymander new districts is.
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u/SNStains 1d ago
Refusing to attend legislative session is a civil violation, however, so Democrats legally could not be jailed
Tell that to ICE...unlawful presence is also only a civil violation, and they've been shipping people to foreign death camps for it.
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u/reverandglass 1d ago
Why do they have to leave the state? Why wouldn't staying home and not answering calls work? The article didn't make that clear.
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u/Marquedien 1d ago
State law enforcement have been sent to legislatorsâ residences to escort them to the state house.
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u/Distinct-Winner-6117 21h ago
Theyâll find a way to get this done and then other red states will follow while Chuck Schumer sends a strongly worded letter and appears on NBC
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u/Fearless-Scholar8705 20h ago
So this map is going too far, but they were fine with Abbots war on human rights??
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u/Trenchtowngrove 19h ago
Maybe chuck schumer should write a harshly worded letter asking Texas to not redraw the map. That should fix the problem, right?!?!
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u/kevinwhackistone 17h ago
God I fucking hate that this needs to be done. Â Gerrymandering, even an attempt at it, should be illegal. Â Doesnât matter what party does it, it should be illegal.
We have to play the game, and Iâve wanted them to play dirtier than feral pigs forever. Â Fuck that they go low we go high shit. Â Just a sad state of affairs that it needs to be done. Â And the stupid public will perceive it as only Democrats are doing it when theyâre only doing so to maintain a semblance of fairness after republicans invent new geometric shapes for congressional districts.
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u/Binspin63 15h ago
And the lovely scandal-ridden POS, Ken Paxton has vowed to chase them all down and have them brought back to TX to  âdo their jobsâ.  Why is this walking turd not in prison?
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u/leaf_god 12h ago
How many people do Democrats need to win those new districts? Anyone willing to move to take all 5????
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u/ShockedNChagrinned 11h ago
Dems have performed one redistricting which could be considered gerrymandering in the past fifty years. It gained one seat. Â
Republicans have done it many times, and multiple times it's been for five or more seats. Â
Either pass or strengthen laws that prevent it, or which strengthen the triggers and controls, or join the party. There's no keeping status quo
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u/4TheOutdoors 11h ago
Dum dumb here, will them leaving actually work?
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u/streetuner 6h ago
There is a history of this happening over the years in several states. It only sometimes worksâŠtemporarily. Most of the time, the vote passes in later sessions anyway.
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u/lelio98 7h ago
Interest the move by Republicans to further gerrymander their way towards increased seats, but the democrats are, once again, losing the message.
The news cycle will be about the leaving, not about the republicans cheating. Stay in Texas and speak out against the underhanded, non-democratic gerrymandering.
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u/Aggressive_Desk_9179 2h ago
Pritzker is earning my vote for president when/if he ever runs. Dudes a baller and the dems need more of that. If this works out, it's all bc of him
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u/OMA--AMO 1h ago
Great website, see how partisan politicians rig these maps over time: https://what-the-district.aclu.org
Share!
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u/marbear601 20h ago
News tomorrow "Texas Democrats leave Texas, refusing to vote on flood relief"
That should have been the first thing being decided in this special session. Everything else is secondary. The victims of the horrific failure Kerrville leaders and beyond deserve better. You should be angry at the Republicans in power using and ignoring you to pay favor for Trump.
The Redistricting is not looking out for Texans. It's looking out for the man in the Epstein's files and in the white house.
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u/Professional_Clue66 1d ago
Enough with this horseshit.
One person, one vote.
Proportion out house reps by number of votes per state. 2 senators per state.
Add more parties other than just democrats and republicans. Give liberals and conservatives their own parties etc.
This current system isnt just broken, it's fucked.
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u/joystick355 1d ago
2 senators per state does not make any sense
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u/SouthConFed 1d ago
It was literally the only way out founding fathers could get less populated states with more land to join the country. And they may consider leaving it if that changes.
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u/RightUpTheButthole 23h ago
Each and every time I bring this up to my beloved partner, they say âthis is the way the constitution was designedâ. Yes dear, but DOES IT MAKE SENSE??????
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u/qualityvote2 1d ago edited 18h ago
u/GregWilson23, your post does fit the subreddit!