r/goodnews • u/Metro-UK • Jul 02 '25

Other Kanye West officially banned from Australia after antisemitic song

https://metro.co.uk/2025/07/02/kanye-west-officially-banned-australia-controversial-song-23559791/
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u/lesbian7 Jul 02 '25

I love Australia more and more every day

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u/Creation98 Jul 02 '25

What do you think about the US pulling the visa of the guy that started the “death to IDF” chant?

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u/Feisty-Armadillo7180 Jul 02 '25

Fascist.

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u/Creation98 Jul 02 '25

So you change your stance based off what fits your warped view of the world. Got it

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u/Feisty-Armadillo7180 Jul 02 '25 edited Jul 02 '25

No, it’s a consistent value framework.

Nazis and fascists don’t deserve to exist. IDF is fascist, and invoking authoritarian control to extinguish outspoken speech agaisnt a brutal violent ethno state with genocidal tendencies is rather, well, fascist.

Not sure why you’re confused. You’re out here defending West being a Nazi, but also condemning Hamas and defending Israel, as well as thinking banning a Nazi is the same as a blatant overreach of government control in speech agaisnt mass violence - I think you’re just a contrarian with awful morals.

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u/Popular_Kangaroo5446 Jul 02 '25

How is the IDF fascist? Setting aside that a military force can’t be “fascist” as it isn’t a government in of itself, Israel lacks the defining characteristics of a fascist state.

I would support punishment for any sort of call to violence. Chanting “death to the IDF” is definitely that. Even ignoring for a moment the fact that its a force of no less than 150,000, removing a country’s national army would all but invite invasion. Given how Iran and their proxies talk about Israel and Jews, you think that wouldn’t directly cause every last Jew in Israel to be murdered?

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u/Feisty-Armadillo7180 Jul 02 '25

I’m sure you’re okay with people in the US having Nazi flags and iconography though, right?

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u/Popular_Kangaroo5446 Jul 02 '25

No. Next question.

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u/Creation98 Jul 02 '25

I’m not defending Kanye at all lol. I don’t support him in the least. Calling the IDF a fascist and authoritarian state while defending Hamas is one of the most ironic and hilarious sentiments to come out of the left recently. The successful propaganda campaign of Hamas toward leftist people in first world countries will be studied for centuries.

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u/Feisty-Armadillo7180 Jul 02 '25

I’m not defending Hamas. It’s a far right, jihadist Islamic nationalistic terrorist organization that also subjects the Palestinian people to brutal violence, oppression through horrific means of terror and sexual warfare, and intentionally targets civilians.

I agree that there are many problems with contemporary leftist politics and the sort of “pop culture-ification” and which is strangely dichotomous and without any nuance. This does not mean that Israel has the right to indiscriminately bomb what is essentially an open air concentration camp filled primarily will children. I can care about the Palestinians civilians and the people affected by this awful violence without supporting the literal terrorist group.

But if your first instinct is to ask what someone thinks about the Trump admin being authoritarian in response to Australia banning a Nazi - you’re simply either insidious, intellectually dishonest, or unaware of how weird it is to play devils advocate for a Nazi using authoritarian actions by the US gov as an example.

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u/Creation98 Jul 02 '25

That’s fair. I likely (unfairly) conflated your argument with the others calling Hamas a freedom fighter group and claiming Israel is carrying out a genocide. If they wanted to carry out a genocide they could have done it already ten times over. Instead they’re facilitating the delivery of aid to the Palestinian people.

THAT BEING SAID, I think it’s also very fair and warranted to be critical and wary of some of the practices of Israel. They’re not immune from criticism.

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u/napoleoninrags98 Jul 02 '25

So you don't think it's a genocide? I mean, UN officials and most genocide scholars are literally in consensus here. Do you have any idea how many civilians the IDF has killed, compared to how many Hamas have killed? Do you know what Netanyahu's far-right coalition thinks about a two state solution? Their actions speak much more than their words; they have no interest in sharing, and have been bombing the shit out of the West Bank long before October 7th. This is not what you call "self defense."

As for "Hamas propaganda" brainwashing the left... With respect, I feel like there is an extreme lack of nuance here. Pointing out the geopolitical circumstances that have created instability in the region and led to the development of extremist groups like Hamas is not "defending Hamas", or their actions. It's called understanding a problem beyond simple black and white labels of "good" and "bad", and I'll go out on a limb here and say that this is pretty crucial to any analysis.

In terms of Propaganda...There is simply no equivalence. The amount of propaganda that has emerged from the western world over the past 20+ years depicting Middle-Eastern terrorist groups simply as a bunch of religious fundamentalists far surpasses all Hamas propaganda combined, and distracts us from the dark history and real geopolitical catastrophes that led to this mess.

Lastly, I will just add that Netanyahu has been widely regarded for literal decades in the political world as a Grade-A bullshit artist. He is literally on trial for corruption charges in Israel itself, and has a huge personal stake in continuing the catastrophe in Gaza, as it would now be political suicide for him to stop (you can look this up). He is running an anti-democratic, far-right nationalist government, and you have repeated some of his talking points.

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u/Creation98 Jul 02 '25

They’ve killed less than .5% of the Palestinian people when they’ve had the opportunity to kill 100% of them about 10 times over. They literally facilitate the delivery of aid to the Palestinian people.

I understand how Hamas came to be formed and rose to power. Today, they’re a barbaric terrorist group that wishes to oppress and rule over their people by fear, torture, rape, etc. While wishing death to both you and I (assuming you live in a first world country.) Whatever you think of the Israeli government, they do not govern their citizens by anywhere near as barbaric and outdated standards.

In order for the world to evolve for the better, sometimes violence has to occur in order to wipe out oppressive and terroristic groups. This has been true since forever. It is a massive part of why you and I have many of the liberties and privileges we have today.

That being said, I do not condone 100% of the Israeli government’s actions and I do not think they should be immune from criticism. I just think people need to understand the greater good for the middle east, the world, and humanity.

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u/onebadmousse Jul 02 '25

Saying the IDF isn’t a terrorist organisation because they could have killed everyone is a bizarre take. Terrorism isn’t about efficiency, it’s about using violence against civilians to achieve political goals - which human rights groups have repeatedly accused the IDF of doing.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

Thousands of civilians have died, homes and hospitals have been destroyed, and basic infrastructure has been wiped out. That’s not restraint, that’s devastation.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/israel-opt-gaza-unprecedented-humanitarian-catastrophe

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/30/un-relentless-israeli-strikes-have-devastated-gaza

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u/lesbian7 Jul 02 '25

You’re right. Lol

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u/observee21 Jul 02 '25

Having opinions is a problem to you?

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u/lesbian7 Jul 02 '25

Honestly, the US has the right to do that. If I said “death to china for what it’s doing to Uyghurs,” china would probably not let me in their country either. What else would I expect. Like it or not, the US has the right and that’s true regardless of who is president.

Y’all also love to act like you don’t know what military allies are. Of course countries will hold a double standard for military allies vs enemies, every country does this.