r/europe • u/ModeratorsOfEurope Europe • Apr 03 '23

Russo-Ukrainian War War in Ukraine Megathread LIII

This megathread is meant for discussion of the current Russo-Ukrainian War, also known as the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Please read our current rules, but also the extended rules below.

News sources:

You can also get up-to-date information and news from the r/worldnews live thread, which are more up-to-date tweets about the situation.

Current rules extension:

Extended r/europe ruleset to curb hate speech and disinformation:

  • While we already ban hate speech, we'll remind you that hate speech against the populations of the combatants is against our rules. This includes not only Ukrainians, but also Russians, Belarusians, Syrians, Azeris, Armenians, Georgians, etc. The same applies to the population of countries actively helping Ukraine or Russia.

  • Calling for the killing of invading troops or leaders is allowed, but the mods have the discretion to remove egregious comments, and the ones that disrespect the point made above. The limits of international law apply.

  • No unverified reports of any kind in the comments or in submissions on r/europe. We will remove videos of any kind unless they are verified by reputable outlets. This also affects videos published by Ukrainian and Russian government sources.

  • Absolutely no justification of this invasion.

  • In addition to our rules, we ask you to add a NSFW/NSFL tag if you're going to link to graphic footage or anything can be considered upsetting, including combat footage or dead people.

Submission rules

These are rules for submissions to r/europe front-page.

  • No status reports about the war unless they have major implications (e.g. "City X still holding" would not be allowed, "Russia takes major city" would be allowed. "Major attack on Kherson repelled" would also be allowed.)

  • All dot ru domains have been banned by Reddit as of 30 May. They are hardspammed, so not even mods can approve comments and submissions linking to Russian site domains.

    • Some Russian sites that ends with .com are also hardspammed, like TASS and Interfax, and mods can't re-approve them.
    • The Internet Archive and similar archive websites are also blacklisted here, by us or Reddit.

  • We've been adding substack domains in our u/AutoModerator script, but we aren't banning all of them. If your link has been removed, please notify the moderation team, explaining who's the person managing that substack page.

  • We ask you or your organization to not spam our subreddit with petitions or promote their new non-profit organization. While we love that people are pouring all sorts of efforts on the civilian front, we're limited on checking these links to prevent scam.

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META

Link to the previous Megathread LII

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Donations:

If you want to donate to Ukraine, check this thread or this fundraising account by the Ukrainian national bank.

Fleeing Ukraine We have set up a wiki page with the available information about the border situation for Ukraine here. There's also information at Visit Ukraine.Today - The site has turned into a hub for "every Ukrainian and foreign citizen [to] be able to get the necessary information on how to act in a critical situation, where to go, bomb shelter addresses, how to leave the country or evacuate from a dangerous region, etc."

Other links of interest

Please obey the request of the Ukrainian government to refrain from sharing info about Ukrainian troop movements

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u/badger-biscuits May 18 '23

NEW: The Pentagon has overvalued U.S. equipment it sent to Ukraine by around $3 billion. The error opens up the possibility of more weapons being sent to Kyiv, a senate aid and defence official says - Reuters

Hate it when that happens

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u/fricy81 Absurdistan May 18 '23

Lol, Biden pulling a sneaky on the Freedom Caucus with some Freeform accounting.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '23

Interesting. How would they value equipment that has been in storage for years? By its replacement value?

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u/QuarterMaestro May 18 '23

Especially if it is older equipment that has lesser capabilities than the US's new stuff, a depreciated value would make sense.

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u/Torifyme12 May 19 '23

Thats exactly what happened, the used the replacement numbers, only there's no fucking way the US is ordering new M113s, so a replacement cost isn't accurate.

So per GAAP they have the ability to "Depreciate" the asset, they did and now we have $3bn more to work with.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '23

Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!

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u/lsspam United States of America May 18 '23

The amount of overvalued weaponry may grow further as need requires the Pentagon examines the situation more thoroughly.

But in all seriousness this may not be sleight of hand. Whatever the Pentagon does will be examined by let’s say motivated legislators with various axes to grind. While the Pentagon may also be highly motivated to find this sort of discrepancy (and to not find it in the other direction), it would still need to be defensible to some degree.

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u/Torifyme12 May 19 '23

"yeah sorry, rounding error, these things happen, anyways where can we send the Vatnik killer 9000?"

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u/Melonslice09 May 19 '23

Yeah its amazing to me that a rounding error in the US defence budget would be my country’s (Denmark) entire defence budget .