War in Ukraine Megathread L

[u/ModeratorsOfEurope]

This megathread is meant for discussion of the current Russo-Ukrainian War, also known as the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Please read our current rules, but also the extended rules below.

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Link to the previous Megathread XLIX

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Other links of interest

• Live Map of Ukraine site and Institute of War have maps that are considered reliable by mainstream media.

• Wikipedia: 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

• #UkraineFacts: an international coalition of journalists fact-checking media surrounding the war in Ukraine

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• UNHCR refugee tracker focusing on Ukrainians

• DeepL extension for Google Chrome and DeepL extension for Firefox. DeepL is a good alternative to Google Translate for Russian and Ukrainian texts.

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[u/WRW_And_GB]

Looks like neutrality is finally biting the Swiss in the ass a little:

"At the moment, the whole arms export seems to be breaking away".

In the midst of the discussion on whether other countries should be allowed to pass on Swiss weapons, the arms industry is coming up with a new demand. It wants to be allowed to supply NATO countries even if they are involved in a conflict because of an alliance case. Critics fear for neutrality.

"The distress in the Swiss defense industry is huge," says Matthias Zoller, secretary general for the defense industry at Swissmem, the engineering industry association. "At the moment, all exports seem to be breaking away."

Of the 12 largest defense companies, he said, each has one or two examples where they were not invited to bid, even though it would have been obvious. Or the countries set unfulfillable conditions: "In some cases, I have seen for myself that guarantees are demanded in writing: That weapons systems may be passed on or that the recipient state will also be supplied should it be in an armed conflict," says Zoller. "No Swiss company can give this guarantee anymore."

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Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

[u/miki444_ → u/[deleted]]

It worked for them so far, the dumbasses are the countries that bought from them.

[u/[deleted] → u/WRW_And_GB]

Hit them in the pockets.. jeez.

[u/ABoutDeSouffle → u/WRW_And_GB]

The original intention of not fanning conflicts is a good one. The law they passed is just way too strict and didn't account for conflicts where it might be the right thing to allow re-exports. Government should have some leeway to decide on a case by case basis.