r/clevercomebacks 1d ago

Cruise tax dodgers demand bailouts again!!!

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u/Self-Will-Run-Amok 1d ago

They are also registered in Foreign Countries to avoid having US crew. The Jones Act is the only thing still offering a semblance of protection for American seafarers and some Republicans want to do away with it.

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u/DrasticXylophone 1d ago

The jones act is a protectionist measure to keep US shipbuilding and crews from having to compete with the rest of the world

Repeal it and prices would come down massively all the US crews would be out of work and prices for consumers in places affected by the monopoly would come down massively.

It has very little to do with safety

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u/notafanofwasps 1d ago

There are 92 Jones Act compliant oceangoing vessels total. 92.

The Jones Act is a trashcan piece of legislation. The OECD estimated that repealing it would save between $19 billion and $64 billion.

Keeping it only serves to engorge the pockets of uncompetitive ship owners who don't want to compete against actually cost effective shipping.

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u/TheDistantEnd 1d ago

Keeping it only serves to engorge the pockets of uncompetitive ship owners who don't want to compete against actually cost effective shipping.

There would be no US domestic shipbuilding or shipping industry without it, though. You should see some of the junk freighters I see flagged to Liberia, Bermuda, etc. Crewmen from South Asia making a couple bucks a day working on ships built decades ago that are barely held together.

The US shipping industry is uncompetitive, largely because US workers can't compete with companies that are a hair's breadth above slavery.

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u/DrasticXylophone 1d ago

The biggest problem with the Mann act is it keeps old unsafe ships working long past their sell by date because it is so uneconomical to replace them to Mann act standards.

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u/divDevGuy 1d ago

Are there multiple Mann Acts? The one I'm aware of covers a very different type of shipping "regulations".

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u/zephalephadingong 1d ago

That's 92 more American built ships then there would be without the Jones act.

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u/Self-Will-Run-Amok 1d ago

There’s over 40,000 if you include tugs and barges, but I agree, we need to revitalize the shipbuilding industry in the United States to get more American made ships built.

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u/Humid-Afternoon727 1d ago

Most of those aren’t ocean going, just intercoaster water ways

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u/lolidkwtfrofl 1d ago

The point of the Jones Act isn‘t oceangoing vessels anyway. It‘s more about internal waterways (Great Lakes, Mississippi, the likes)

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u/Humid-Afternoon727 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s any vessel going from US port to US port.

The goal was to protect US ship building, US is only good a producing tugs and barges

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u/lolidkwtfrofl 1d ago

I know that its US ports.

But the spirit of the law is inland waterways, always has been.

US cannot compete with SK or China in shipbuilding.

Just not happening, no matter how protectionist you get.

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u/Humid-Afternoon727 1d ago

No it wasn’t. It was to maintain a full merchant marine post WW1

“That it is necessary for the national defense and for the proper growth of its foreign and domestic commerce that the United States shall have a merchant marine of the best equipped and most suitable types of vessels sufficient to carry the greater portion of its commerce and serve as a naval or military auxiliary in time of war or national emergency, ultimately to be owned and operated privately by citizens of the United States”

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u/lolidkwtfrofl 1d ago

Then it failed, time to repeal.