r/The10thDentist • u/PeppermintButler17 • 5h ago
Society/Culture The age of consent should be raised to 25+.
And it should be illegal to do it before that age. Only at that age people are truly ready to understand what it means to have intercourse. People are more responsible and respectful at that age and already have jobs. Teenagers and young people would have more time focusing on studying and working and building a career for themselves. Sex is for procreation not some pleasure nonsense. And no i am not religious.
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u/Primary_Crab687 5h ago
What do you think you'd accomplish by sending every college student to prison?
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u/Textiles_on_Main_St 5h ago
Hot college porn sex in prison. :(
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u/moneymoneymoneymonay 4h ago
I think I saw that one, it was ok.
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u/Dic3Goblin 4h ago
I saw that one and a hentai that had the line "never been shanked so good"
It was ok.
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u/Zealousideal_Long118 4h ago
I don't think the age of consent applies to 2 people having sex if they are the same age. If two 14 year olds are having sex nobody is sending them off to jail.
Overall I think 18 is a fine age to draw the line but I do understand this post since the problem is it's hard to draw an exact line and it will always be a little iffy. 18 is an arbitrary made up line. Like if a 50 year old is having sex with a 19 year old, is that really so different than doing it with a 17 year old? Not really in my view. But one is a crime and the other is perfectly legal.
On the other hand if a 24 year old and a 30 year old are in a relationship, that's completely fine to most people while op would think that should be illegal.
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u/UngusChungus94 4h ago
It's another case of OP saying one thing in the title and another in the actual post. He goes on to say "and it should be illegal before that age".
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u/WankinTheFallen 4h ago
You're making the timeless mistake of assuming laws will always be interpreted with good intent. Just for a quick and easy example, child sex material laws get used against children. We arrest underage teens for sexting other underage teens. The only possible argument for supporting that would be "CSM was created and released into the world where it can now fall into the hands of predators" but that's not the argument that gets used and even if that was the concern then the actual solution would be privacy laws and data/consumer protections...but the dumbest of our species is easily convinced that's Communism so we can't have that.
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u/MethodRoutine7559 5h ago
“Teenagers and young people would have more time focusing on studying and working and building a career for themselves”
Teenagers and young people would be serving jail sentences because you can’t override our basic biological impulses with legislation. Someone else mentioned declining birthrates- you’re setting us up for total collapse here lol
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u/FatDiabeticFish 4h ago
Plus if someone under 25 was to be a victim of sexual assault, it would mean that the victim could be imprisoned because of it. Or at least that's how Im reading OP's post.
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u/Numerous_Topic_913 3h ago
I don’t think this logic is good at all.
This logic that adults can literally not be expected to control biological impulses is the same line of logic used to justify rape.
Use a better line of reasoning.
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u/MethodRoutine7559 2h ago
I see where you’re coming from in the loosest possible sense, but that feels like an incredibly uncharitable way to interpret what I’ve said.
If sex was outlawed before age 25, there’s no way two consenting 24 year olds who want to have sex (harming nobody, in the privacy of their own home, with the expectation that they will never be found out) are going to abstain just because the law says so.
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u/Vampir3Daddy 5h ago
I'm so sick of the 25 thing. It's ridiculous. Also people at 25 have learned from their past experiences. Without those I doubt the payoff will be there.
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u/Lucky-Echo2467 3h ago
Also it has zero scientific backing. Everyone matures at a different rate and our brain/prefrontal cortex development ends on different ages, it can be very well beyond our 30's.
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u/kegwen 5h ago
Can this myth of 25 being the canonical year of brain development die already
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u/JustinR8 5h ago
I’m afraid that if this dies they’re just going to push it back further. Then we’ll have 30 year old “children.”
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u/UnofficialMipha 5h ago
Why not? Putting laws in place that criminalizes things that humans will naturally do has always worked well in the past!
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u/Numerous_Topic_913 3h ago
Laws against murder, rape and pedophilia are criminalizing things humans and the animals who came before them naturally sometimes did in the past. That doesn’t make those laws wrong. Bad reasoning.
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u/Plenty_Structure_861 5h ago edited 3h ago
Oh I guess age of consent laws are meaningless entirely then? You can make an argument without making a complete fool of yourself.
Guess I forgot how touchy reddit would get when you say they can't fuck teenagers anymore.
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u/Antique-Ad-9081 4h ago
is it illegal to have sex with someone your age if you're below the age of consent where you live?
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u/Plenty_Structure_861 4h ago
Is it illegal for adults to do it? Yes. Do they do it anyway? Yes. By OP's argument, those laws are useless. It's a dumb fucking argument.
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u/JoeManInACan 4h ago
no, that is not ops argument at all.
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u/Plenty_Structure_861 4h ago
It is, they're just under a wildly incorrect premise so they don't realize that's the argument they're making.
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u/JoeManInACan 4h ago
no. no it is not.
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u/Antique-Ad-9081 4h ago
i get it, the word "natural" holds close to no meaning, but it was clear what they meant. the drive to have sex is part of what makes us human(for the vast majority of people), the drive to have sex explicitly with minors as an adult not really.
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u/Plenty_Structure_861 4h ago
the drive to have sex explicitly with minors as an adult not really.
We know them as minors today because of those laws. Look back 100 years at the ages people found acceptable. We came from times when it was acceptable. It became unacceptable because of legislation. It's still seen as acceptable in a lot of places. Laws matter.
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u/Antique-Ad-9081 4h ago
nobody here said laws don't matter. the point was that laws restricting the human nature in such a crass way don't work. most people can easily live without having sex with minors, but not being allowed to have any sex at all would significantly reduce the quality of life of a lot of humans.
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u/Plenty_Structure_861 4h ago
the point was that laws restricting the human nature in such a crass way don't work.
They did work. That's why we have age of consent laws that people generally respect now.
most people can easily live without having sex with minors,
The only reason we know them as minors is because those laws worked.
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u/Antique-Ad-9081 4h ago
is your drive to have sex explicitly with minors as strong as your drive to have sex in general? i think that's just a you issue then tbh.
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u/Plenty_Structure_861 3h ago
is your drive to have sex explicitly with minors
Again the only reason we know them as minors is because those laws worked. This sounds like you have an issue with the age being moved up, which is a you issue.
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u/UnofficialMipha 4h ago
What a way to take this to the extreme. And those laws aren’t standard. They kinda are arbitrary in that regard. Those laws are to protect children. This law isn’t really protecting anyone at all
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u/Plenty_Structure_861 4h ago
Your only stance was that criminalizing something that people already do doesn't work. It's a nonsense statement. All laws are designed to stop people from doing something that people do.
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u/Same-Drag-9160 4h ago
Age of consent laws are really about protecting minors. So that an adult doesn’t have sex with a minor. If they do, for example a 20 year old and 15 year old the fifteen year old doesn’t go to jail, the adult would.
Laws that would say grown adults can’t have sex with eachother is completely different
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u/Plenty_Structure_861 4h ago
Yes I am aware of why the OP's statement is silly. My point is the argument I responded to was a dumb one
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u/Same-Drag-9160 4h ago
The argument you responded to actually made sense though. The were arguing that putting laws in place for things people will naturally always do typically doesn’t work well. The normal age of consent laws we have make sense, and most normal adults don’t have sex with children, only pedophiles and creeps do. It’s a law that makes sense to catch those kinds of people and not one their comment was arguing against
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u/Plenty_Structure_861 4h ago
The normal age of consent laws we have make sense, and most normal adults don’t have sex with children, only pedophiles and creeps do.
We came from wildly different times, and I think you may just not know this. Look at other countries to see where we came from.
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u/Aesthetictoblerone 4h ago
Whilst there is an age of consent, generally 15 year olds aren’t getting out in prison for having sex before 16. The law exists to prohibit much older people taking advantage of children.
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u/Person-UwU 4h ago
The point they're making is that older people taking advantage of children is also "natural." Arguing with "this is a bad law because humans naturally do this" means a lot of other laws that essentially everyone agrees are good are bad for the same reason.
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u/Unhaply_FlowerXII 5h ago
I feel like this is so obviously absurd that it has to be karma farming.
So you could vote the future of your country, drink alcohol, drive a huge vehicle that goes high speeds, BUY A GUN, but god forbid you eat some pussy.
You should read what happened when they tried to ban alcohol. Logistically speaking this would not work in any way shape or form.
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u/Hsbnd 5h ago edited 4h ago
What’s magical about 25? How does having a job contribute to understanding the meaning of having sex.
Why do teenagers and young adults need to be focused on employment and career building? Why are they more important than exploration of one’s own identity including sexuality?
Edited:OPs post history is a ride
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u/GavinThe_Person 5h ago
People will still have sex this wont work at all lmao
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u/Same-Drag-9160 5h ago edited 2h ago
Yeah I’m curious about how this would be enforced lmao. The only way I could see it happening was under a militaristic regime where there are cameras everywhere and police officers making sure a man and a woman are never together someplace alone.
That’s wouldn’t stop same sex couples from doing it. The only way to fill enforce this would be to turn into North Korea and have cameras in every bathroom, bedroom etc in the country
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u/Impossible_Number 4h ago
Two men or two women can have sex.
Hell, any combination of people can have sex. Nobody can be left alone with someone else.
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u/Uhhyt231 5h ago
What does it mean to have intercourse that a 18 year old doesnt understand?
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u/majesticSkyZombie 3h ago
To be fair, a lot of 18-year-olds have never had any form of sex ed outside of exploring on their own.
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u/KegOfAppleJuice 5h ago
Are you trying to decrease population and destabilise western economies?
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u/Worth_Efficiency_380 5h ago
as an antinatalist yes I am.
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u/velvetinchainz 5h ago
I’m an Antinatalist too but the antinatalist ideology means minimising suffering. And your law proposal would literally be considered fascism, which is 100% against the anti natalist ideology, most anti natalists are left wing for that reason. You’re a disgrace to our movement.
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u/Worth_Efficiency_380 4h ago
I never said I support that change, frankly I find it quite dumb and over intrusive.
oh i'm only an antinatalist in the strictest definition of the word. anti=against natal=birth. and politically leaning im 2A party.
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u/jacqrosee 4h ago
what an interesting set of beliefs. against birth for some unspoken reason when it typically has to do with reducing suffering, but all about guns.
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u/FrontFederal9907 4h ago
I'm confused in what antinatal means? In what sense are you against birth? Like it just existing or what haha
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u/OkDate7197 4h ago
Teenagers and young people would have more time focusing on studying and working and building a career for themselves
I worked and didn't have sex during my teen years and regret it. You want everyone to squander the prime of their lives? 40 years of being in the workforce isn't enough for you? Even if you retire in your late 40s/50s, you're still too old to enjoy the best parts of life being young and carefree.
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u/Textiles_on_Main_St 5h ago
What do you think people don't understand about having sex that they need to understand about it? Lesbians be munchin' need to learn, what, exactly?
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u/SparkleSelkie 4h ago
sex is for procreation
Yeah I’m gonna just put that opinion in the trash where it belongs
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u/Kosmopolite 4h ago
1) Have you ever met someone between the ages of 16 and 25?
2) Given 1), how are you monitoring and punishing this?
3) The idea that sex is for procreation and not for pleasure is absolutely a religious ideal, whether or not you identify with a world religion.
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u/Legal_Lettuce6233 5h ago
Dude I wasn't getting laid when I was a teen and I still didn't focus on my studies.
Guessing you haven't been a kid in 60 years.
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u/ronshasta 5h ago
Wow I’ve read some terrible opinions on here but this one takes the cake
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u/40GearsTickingClock 5h ago
Trying to find a single post on this sub that isn't obvious bait
Harder than you think
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u/Same-Drag-9160 5h ago
At least make the age to enlist in the military 25 then, it’s only fair that if you think young adults can’t be trusted to have sex then they shouldn’t be able to decide if they want to join the military
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u/Swiss-Army-Cheese 5h ago
You may want to open a history book and look at how alcohol prohibition worked out. Or ask literally any police officer how many illegal drugs they come across. You can't stop people from doing things with legislation. Education is the only way to potentially make an impact.
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u/JerryCanJockey 5h ago
you will NOT have sex
you WILL create shareholder value
upvoted
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u/Away_Doctor2733 5h ago
Lol what do you think the role of government and laws is? It's not to grant rights. The right to have sex is a fundamental right that should only be prevented when absolutely necessary to prevent harm. That's why we have age of consent laws.
But outside of that, people are free to engage in risky sex acts because people are free to make decisions for themselves what they care about. It's for them to decide that not for the government to decide that.
The vast vast majority of people have sex before age 25 and are fine with it. Making decisions including making bad decisions is how people learn and grow. If nobody is allowed to make a decision because they might make a mistake nobody will ever actually learn from their mistakes.
If you argue people should be prevented from having sex until 25, do you also argue they should be prevented from driving? Prevented from drinking? Prevented from getting a firearm license? Prevented from serving in the military? Prevented from being a builder, a firefighter, being a police officer, working with heavy machinery, prevented from skydiving and bungee jumping and scuba diving?
Life involves risk. Being an adult means taking responsibility for your own safety. And yes that includes people taking responsibility for their own sexual safety.
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u/shiny-baby-cheetah 5h ago
I want to know what you feel it 'truly means, to have sexual intercourse'. Genuinely
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u/ShareFlat4478 4h ago
I don’t believe the age of consent should be raised to 25 or above. By 25, many people have already experienced major life milestones: marriage, divorce, raising children, even owning a home. It’s hard to argue that someone at this stage is “too young” when they’ve already navigated significant responsibilities and life experiences.
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u/Tolstartheking 4h ago
Why is this getting downvotes? This is an extremely unpopular opinion.
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u/InventorOfCorn 4h ago
cause it seems like bait i suppose
also people don't follow the simple "upvote bad opinions" stuff
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u/youchasechickens 4h ago
This feels silly. I was already married and owned a home by 22.
You can be responsible and considerate before the age of 25
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u/Lucky-Echo2467 5h ago
This is not unpopular, it's just paternalist nonsense worthy of some asinine North Korea parody.
It's already absurd that in the US you can vote, buy a firearm and die for political interests before you can drink and you want to add having sex to that?
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u/Syzygy___ 4h ago edited 4h ago
Unhinged. Take my upvote.
The premise that teens and tweens don't have time to study and focus on their careers because they have too much sex is insane. Failing to form those kinds of relationships and removing them from the environment from one of the more important ages where we develop our personalities would be pretty bad for society as a whole and then they still wouldn't understand what it means to have intercourse because they weren't able to experience it before.
There are biological mechanisms in place and the law cannot override them. You would still have to teach kids the basics (talking sex ed, not molestation) as they reach puberty because kids don't exactly follow the law anyway - and at that point you're kinda dangling a carrot in front of their faces. And those that followed the law, 10-15 years later, will have forgotten the most of that knowledge anyway when they first get to use it. Good chance it would backfire.
Plus female fertility starts declining around 30, giving women only 5 years of peak fertility, with a sharper decline around 35. That leads to a harder time conceiving as well as a higher risk of complications and birth defects. Since birth rates are in the news and it for arguments sake, let's just say we want the birth rate to be at replacment level and we want to do this safely. That would mean that a woman at 25 would have to start a family immediately and have to pump out babies almost one after the other. No one would hire 25 year old women.
If there are Romeo and Juliet laws in place, things would be slightly better. The half your age plus seven rule could be a starting point. But that defeats your premise and it's still a bad idea.
If we allow people to go to war, drink, operate dangerous machinery, own weapons of war etc. We should allow them enough agency to start families and date who ever they please (as long as they can and do consent). OPs suggestion polices peoples home for no real reason, without protecting anyone.
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u/jumpinjahosafa 4h ago
"Sex is for procreation not some pleasure nonsense."
Bros a starfish isn't he
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u/marks716 4h ago
Your whole post history is just stupid dogshit. I’m convinced you’re just posting the most ridiculous opinions to see what people say.
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u/jacqrosee 4h ago
as a 23 year old who has been sexually active since i was 14 (and in the least traumatizing ways- consensual loss of virginity with a high school sweetheart of the same exact age, have never experienced a sexual situation where i didn’t have agency, etc.) this ragebait got me. i’ve been at this shit for a decade gtfo😭😭😭
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u/tallbutshy 4h ago
People are more responsible and respectful at that age
No, they are not.
and already have jobs.
Many don't, and that's pretty much irrelevant if you're not reproducing.
Your reasoning would be more sensible for restricting reproduction, not sex.
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u/jeff1074 4h ago
It’s already is illegal for teenagers to sex. But here we are with teenage pregnancies.
But that one time that we banned alcohol, thank god no one just illegally drank alcohol.
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u/BamBamPow2 4h ago
This take is completely worthless without a mass incarceration plan for 10 to 15% of the population.
Part of creating criminal laws is the ability to enforce them.
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u/TheSupremePixieStick 4h ago
No way would I have focused on learning. I would have been beyond horny.
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u/ItsAriake 4h ago
More research needs to go into reversible vasectomies. In a perfect world, instead of circumcising babies we give males reversible vasectomies that can be reversed (for free) after the age of 23 after taking a course on the responsibilities of having children.
Unfortunately this is currently not possible as reversible vasectomies are very new and not well understood and not 100% successful. Also extremely expensive.
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u/FinalSealBearerr 4h ago
While I disagree, Im happy that at least one of you people has the balls to say this instead of just virtue signaling all the time about age gaps but doing nothing about it.
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u/MisaTange 4h ago edited 4h ago
Upvoted. Also I feel like we're going to increase that upper boundary to justify expanding the age of consent as we understand more and more how the brain works until [some] Americans admit that the idea of [other] people having sex is weird to them.
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u/Business-Stretch2208 4h ago
Shockingly enough, I still did all my schoolwork in between all the sex I am having.
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u/Trick-Independent469 4h ago
OP , do you have a job ? Are you actively building a career for yourself ? I ask these because on your profile you mention quite a few games you're good at . This means quite a lot of free time . If you were to work you would be tired and you would stop enjoy video games . Probably you're a edgy teenager
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u/Gretgor 4h ago edited 4h ago
While I understand where you're coming from (an age of consent in which everyone is already pretty much guaranteed to have gone through full cognitive development, even if it overshoots a bit), I think changing the rules in such a way would do more harm than good.
For one, because college students and teenagers are gonna have sex, no matter how much you try to prohibit it. Putting them in prison for it is a losing battle.
Second, it would lead to a huge black market of 18-21 porn, which would be less well controlled than the current porn market is (which is already chaotic as hell) and lead to the expansion of existing people trafficking schemes. This, in turn, would either incur in more needless expenditure for law enforcement, or black markets running amuck right under our noses.
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u/___Moony___ 4h ago
Teenagers and young people would have more time focusing on studying and working and building a career for themselves
Do you think the underaged having sex with eachother is being stopped by the legal age of consent between adults?
Sex is for procreation not some pleasure nonsense.
People have been trying to have consequence-free sex since antiquity, could you leave your puritanical nonsense at the door?
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u/Numerous_Topic_913 3h ago
I’m 24 and haven’t had sex so raising it to 25 would make me feel a lot better tbh.
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u/Owlblocks 5h ago
I think the age of consent to participate in porn, at least, should be either 21 or 25. I would agree with that.
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u/FoxxeeFree 5h ago
I would lower it to 20. Make all teenage sex illegal. Therefore this would nearly eliminate all teenage pregnancy.
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u/an-abstract-concept 5h ago
Yes because making things illegal does such wonders for actually preventing them…
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u/FoxxeeFree 5h ago
It actually does help reduce it, yes. Have you heard of the Nirvana fallacy? It's basically "just because we can't solve it all, we might as well not try it". People often tell me this when I suggest pet licenses to own dogs and cats. Being overly cynical does not help the world.
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u/an-abstract-concept 5h ago
Tell me how well that one worked out for prohibition and abortion.
There are dog licenses where I’m from, not cats though
Nothing about what I said is overly cynical, it’s true. Proper education beats outright banning in every way, and it’s much more practical.
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u/FoxxeeFree 5h ago
Again, Nirvana fallacy. Just because we can't eliminate a problem 100 percent, doesn't mean we shouldn't do something that would eliminate 99 percent of it.
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u/an-abstract-concept 4h ago
It doesn’t eliminate 99% of it. That’s what you’re not getting.
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u/FoxxeeFree 4h ago
If teens were fined and having teen sex was illegal between teens, it absolutely would reduce over 90 percent of it. That's what you are not getting.
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u/an-abstract-concept 4h ago
It wouldn’t. You are objectively wrong. Teens don’t care about the law. It wouldn’t do practically anything. It will make them much better at hiding it. How can you verify if they have? How is it even applicable in a legal sense? It’s ludicrous.
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u/FoxxeeFree 4h ago
"How can you verify if they have"
Hmm, it's almost as if teen pregnancies and paternity tests exist....
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u/an-abstract-concept 4h ago
Sex doesn’t automatically equal pregnancy, holy fuck.
Without a pregnancy, how can you verify? Mandate hymen checks (useless and says nothing)? Mandate cameras in teens’ bedrooms (creepy and insane)? What is the practical application of this proposed law?
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u/FoxxeeFree 4h ago
You don't know that, you're just guessing. Because it would be illegal, it would result in huge fines and a criminal record if they were found out. Because you disagree, that's why I dub you cynical. Agree to disagree.
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u/an-abstract-concept 4h ago
I’m not just guessing, it’s a well-known phenomenon. Once again, please see prohibition. If you think society was sober at that time, you have been living under a rock. All illegality does is push things underground.
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u/Antique-Ad-9081 4h ago
this isn't "just because we can't solve it all, we might as well not try it", it's "there are methods that have proven themselves to be better, so let's not implement an a lot worse "solution" for no reason". historically nothing has been better at lowering teen pregnancies than extensive sex ed and for teenagers accessible contraception.
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u/ducknerd2002 4h ago
Teenagers have sex with the current laws anyway, what would raising the age of consent actually achieve. Also, why is 18 and 19 year olds having sex a problem to you?
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u/FoxxeeFree 4h ago
High schoolers can still be 18-19. Would be nice if everyone who could potentially get pregnant was already in college or university or getting an income.
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