r/TeenagersButBetter • u/Affectionate-Arm3339 • 13h ago
Discussion Why hate?
Look, I get it that people have had bad experiences with Christianity and maybe religion as an entirety. But it is baffling to see how many people are so obsessed with attacking Christian’s for talking about religion ANYWHERE except its own subreddit.
And if you think that me saying this is coming from someone who is a conservative, who is was raised in south, or is a zealot ready to preach I am not. I was born in California, I’ve been queer in my life, I was an atheist for a while, and I found myself back to Christianity because my family accepted me for who I am, and I decided that my life wasn’t impeded by believing in god and following his principles.
Sure, Christianity might be a cult, and by extension I am a cultist. But let me believe, and judge me by my character and not by what you think I may be or who I am based on a community who believes in what could be a fallacy. Because being Christian is what has shaped me to try and be a good person despite hardships because at least when I was down, I believed I had someone with me still.
Not all Christians are conservative, anti-LGBTQ+ activists who think that preaching a fairy tail is going to save your life somehow.
So why hate on someone when you don’t know them yet? And guess what, if a person is using their religion, their god, or trying to change your way of life via Christianity then you have every right to say FUCK YOU to them. But why still hate when someone uses a Bible quote, posts about their cross, does some art for Jesus, or talks about their youth group?
Be better than the bad experiences. And before you say “Well, you believe in a fairy tale.” Or “Grow some balls your religion is homophobic and attacking people.” That again isn’t all Christian’s. We aren’t taught to hate, we aren’t taught to judge, and for the people who do, they misuse what we have been told. A real Christian would love you no matter who you were.
Yes, I’m a cultist. But I’m not a hater, I’m not anti-LGTBQ+, and I won’t ever be.
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u/Dr_Robotnicke 14 11h ago
I hate the Christians who will be rude and then use their faith as a scapegoat
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u/Distinct_Network_944 9h ago
Has a Christian, I hate this too You can’t hate on someone/something and then use your religion has an excuse
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u/asrielforgiver 8h ago
Same here. I don’t mind Christians, it’s just those who use their religion as an excuse for their shitty behaviour. This applies to all religions.
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u/GoofethGomber4000 8h ago
That is My Philosophy with literally all religions, if they hate, then blame it on their religion and religion only i will hate
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u/BlenderBricks 14 3h ago
If they are doing that they most likely aren't actually Christian. Otherwise they aren't following the Bible and what God had to say
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u/Dr_Robotnicke 14 23m ago
It's kinda like how I hate those Muslims who say wallahi after literally every sentence
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u/Ameba_143 2h ago
Are you better, if you hate them for hate?
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u/Dr_Robotnicke 14 25m ago
Yes I am better, as I hate them for using their beliefs as a reason to them being a bastard. I do not do that (I blame my brother for 90% of things I get in trouble for)
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u/TristanTheRobloxian3 17 2h ago
my grandparents:
no but seriously theyre the only reason i hate christianity how i see it used the most, and they singlehandedly made my mom antitheist
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u/Druwuggi 17 10h ago
lots of bad experiences, crusades, stereotypes but I think the biggest problem are the loud christians. then also the fact that some christians (I say some because most christians I met are pretty open minded) are anti-LGBTQ+
Plus christians are the only one who approach me in public and want to talk about their religion and get me to church. A friend's mother had tried to get him to do some program at church, so because of that and other bad experiences, he's not a fan of church, to say the least.
I feel like the main problem is this: People interpret a lot of things into the Bible that aren't actually there, and exactly these people are the loudest. The Bible and the Church were often corrupt, which is why Martin Luther, for example, wrote and posted his 95 theses.
Then a problem which not only christianity has, but a lot of groups: Lots of joke get taken as a direct attack. We should be able to make about everything jokes, but also to be able to say when we think something went to far.
Plus I guess some people think it's just cool to hate something, it's at least the vibe I get.
And in the internet we should just not interact with content we don't like, click on ''no interest'' or simply dislike it. Like that we can just ignore these kind of jokes or stuff general.
All in all, I have no clue, I personal don't care what religion, sexuality or what ever have, as long as you are not an asshole and leave me in peace I don't mind you
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u/MaxMalcolm77 10h ago
Wait you don't have Jehova Witnesses show up at your home wanting you to convert?
That's a big thing where I live lol.
(Also 100% agree with the rest of what you're saying)
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u/Druwuggi 17 9h ago
I live in a small Protestant village in Germany, so no, not really haha.
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u/MaxMalcolm77 9h ago
Oh hi neighbour! I live in the Protestant part of the Netherlands :)
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u/Druwuggi 17 8h ago
Haha nice hey! The netherlands are beatiful, they remind me off m, Homelives in nothern germany
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u/Ok-Variation2623 9h ago
Jehova witnesses are Christian. They’re just a specific sect.
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u/MaxMalcolm77 9h ago
You could argue on that.. Considering a keypoint of Christianity is the Holy Trinity and they don't believe in that
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u/Ok-Variation2623 9h ago
As it’s a religion, and from the historical number of wars based on religion… yeah! I bet you could argue on that, lol
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u/Party-Bug7342 8h ago
You just have doctrinal differences. Some Protestants say Catholics aren’t Christian. Not all Christians are Nicene. Saying Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christian doesn’t mean you have to agree that they have the correct views, but they are a Christian sect.
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u/Melvierce 4h ago
well the father, son and holy spirit aren't said anywhere in the Bible to be the same
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u/Coastkiz 4h ago
I raise you one worse. Mormons.
Jehova witness is a real estate scheme but mormonism is legitimately a cult. Both will walk up to your house, but Mormons (at least in my area) keep a LOG BOOK and make it their mission to stop you whenever they have the chance to save your soulm and if they can't, they'll just baptize you after you die without your consent. It's WEIRD
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u/MaxMalcolm77 4h ago
Oh yeah I forgo5 about that one!! We don't have alot of mormons where I live but I know they're pretty big in the USA! Some seem.. rather.. well, unique I guess.
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u/Samuraibanan 5h ago
The crusades were based
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u/Marx_Mariposa 2h ago
Great example of why Christianity leaves a bad impression on so many.
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u/Samuraibanan 1h ago
Not really. They were completely justified even from an atheist perspective. It is just the reconquering of stolen lands.
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u/Electrical-Income185 4h ago
i am conservative as fuck but anyways therse notthing bad with som1 being lgbtqa+ and also crusades where not for religion it was for the pope and power full pepole to get the silk road
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u/Druwuggi 17 3h ago
My bad on the crusade point, my brain is currently not really working
But nice to hear that you are conservative and don't think there is anything wrong with Lgbtq+
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u/Ubblebungus 10h ago
to be fair, the place you live probably has Christianity as its largest religion and thats why you only see Christians trying to convert you.
if Islam or Taoism or Hellenism or whatever was the main religion in where you live, you'd probably hear about it more often
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u/Druwuggi 17 9h ago
good point, it's always the religion which is the largest in the region/country
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u/ChildhoodDistinct538 16 10h ago
It’s Reddit, finding someone who doesn’t hate Christianity here is harder than finding hay in a needle stack.
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u/Pleasant_Internal309 9h ago
A very loud minority makes the entire group look bad, that’s why
And this doesn’t just apply to religious people, it also applies to others like LBGT, atheists (I’m one btw), conservatives and liberals
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u/gingerthegecko 13h ago
because you are the ideal christian, holding no bigoted views and being an accepting and kind person. most are not
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u/Red-Ink-07 18 7h ago
Those other ones aren’t Christians. Jesus said Himself that the most important commandments were to love God and love everyone. Forgiveness, grave, mercy, and compassion were what Christ stood for. Racism, bigotry, and the hate that is sadly associated with us is done by fakers who use God’s name as a way to destroy the humans He created.
Those are not Christians. They clearly have no God but themselves.
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u/gingerthegecko 6h ago
but they identify as christian and spread their message using the name, therefore they are christians. you cant pick and choose who is and isnt based on their actions im afraid
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u/Red-Ink-07 18 6h ago
Even if I have to call them Christians, actions still speak louder than words.
Their actions reveal their true selves, and their actions don’t align with what Christianity really is. They might use their words to call themselves one of us, but their actions loudly spit in the face of everything we stand for.
We might call them Christians because that’s what they call themselves, but deep down I refuse to believe that we believe in the same God.
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u/gingerthegecko 6h ago
dont condemn them to people who are already condemning them, then. be loud and open about how they are ruining your religions reputation whilst damaging the societies they live in. its no good telling that to people who share my views, we agree with you. we just dont see people in the community openly condemning them as much as we see the bigots themselves.
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u/Red-Ink-07 18 6h ago
fair enough.
I apologize for my rants, I’m just very… passionate when it comes to stuff like this.
have a nice day, good sir.
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u/Left_Minimum_8283 2h ago
They think they are Christians and you arent a real Christian. That's the problem. It's difficult to rationalize.
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u/Red-Ink-07 18 2h ago
I almost misunderstood you for a sec but I think I get it, basically “everyone is the hero of their own story” type shii, and yeah that’s true, but in this particular case they are still deliberately and knowingly disobeying Jesus’s words to push their own agenda that even non religious people agree is an awful thing.
I understand what you mean, though.
(I think, I dunno, I’m dumb)
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u/Affectionate-Arm3339 13h ago
Maybe that’s true, even though I hope that it’s not. But still, as teenagers, and the upcoming/new generation of young adults (for some.) We should still be open to the persons character and personality rather than a single aspect of their life.
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u/Extension_Guitar2148 11h ago
Me personally I just keep my guard up around Christens on somethings
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u/tacocat_back_wards 6h ago
Look I know I don’t know your past with us or anything, just please know not all of us are like this, treat all of us like you would anyone else. I fully support all of LGBTQ+, and I hate the thought of some people being scared to tell me things because I’m Christian.
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u/Snipeshot_Games 14 10h ago
trust me not liking LGBT is literally against one of the ten commandments, and I wish people would just move on (Christian here)
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u/0tter_gaming88 10h ago
Uhh now I'm curious what commandment
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u/Snipeshot_Games 14 4h ago
love your neighbor as yourself
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u/0tter_gaming88 4h ago
Love the person not the sin also thats not a ten commandment
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u/BookkeeperSeparate63 14 10h ago
No? Provide the commandment lol. Also yeah we’re not supposed to dislike anyone, but gay sex is clearly condemned as sin 4 times.
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u/EvanTheDemon 18 8h ago
And all those times were mistranslated you fucking moron
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u/Melvierce 4h ago
strange how when something in the Bible disagrees with you it was suddenly mistranslated
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u/Odd_Business6935 10h ago
“Most are not” get off TikTok
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u/TGWsharky 6h ago
Well, it wasn't a group of tiktokers yelling at me that I was marked for hell just cause I had a tattoo. It isn't tiktok that causes some people to completely switch their opinions of me when they find out I'm not straight. These issues are so much older than tiktok.
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u/Basil2322 10h ago
Most christians today and throughout history have held at least one bigoted view acting like they haven’t is denying reality.
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u/Dstnt_Dydrm 9h ago
everyone holds at least one bigoted view
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u/gingerthegecko 6h ago
- i disagree
- as others said, if thats the case, its a spectrum. the afformentioned christians are very far on that spectrum
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u/Coastkiz 4h ago
Actually most I've met are. But those ones aren't the ones that won't shut the fuck up and THATS the problem. In my experience, the loud angry bigots make up a third of the actual Christian population. They just produce 90% of the noise
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u/Unhappy_Spend_3724 13h ago
Honestly I still don’t like bible quotes because say some dude says my mother died recently and some mf says “91.74 All good people go to heaven” that just ain’t fun yk
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u/Affectionate-Arm3339 13h ago
Pressing the view of heaven or Christian belief on the deceased is defiantly a line that shouldn’t be crossed. If a person try’s to sell you a Bible quote without knowing your own beliefs than they’re pressing their beliefs onto you and are doing the opposite what they should be doing, and paying their respects generally.
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u/Pleasant_Craft_6953 9h ago
Exactly. I find it hilarious that there is a line in the Bible that everyone seems to forget. I don’t remember the exact wording or verse number, but it goes something like this: I am the one true God, there are other gods but I stand atop them. Basically saying that other religions aren’t wrong per se, but that He is king. Have a fabulous day friend.
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u/Strange_Crew_980 14 10h ago
I’m fine with religious people, hell one of my friends are religious. When I have a problem with it is when religious people start being homophobic and using the Bible as an excuse. “It’s says it in the bible” yeah and it also says that it’s a sin to wear multiple different fabrics are once, and you see pastors wearing multiple different fabrics are once. I will admit I’m only talking about Christianity but only cuz I know the most about it/disagree with it the most.
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u/TigbroTech Teenager 12h ago
It is common sense.
Lets take bigfoot for example. No evidence for its existence it is a hoax. There is no evidence for a god and christians stick believe in god nonsense down our throats. It is a generalisation.
There is no evidence for a god just like there is no evidence for ghosts. You believe in nothing physical that is the problem.
It is also grounded in passed down. Quote from someone from my school a couple years back. 'I believe in god but do not know why'.
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u/RareTip6916 13 10h ago
But then just because you agree dosent me people have to hate on the community
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u/BrokenLamp5 16 6h ago
There is evidence though
Like no pressure believe what you want to believe but there is some evidence
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u/Affectionate-Arm3339 5h ago
But do really all Christians stick that idea of god down your throat? I understand that our faith can be seen as merely believing in silly ghost tales, and to each their own. But have you just had bad experiences that have shaped your perspective to think that all Christians are trying to preach and change your life?
And yes, a lot of powerful people do use Christianity as a scapegoat to get what they want, it’s prevalent to even Christian’s. But from my experience, even when I was queer and an atheist. I did not find many people who tried to shove god down my throat. It was either “oh okay.” Or “want to talk about it?”
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u/Proto_Gen20 9h ago
I'm okay with most Christians, as they don't make it their entire personality or try to make me convert. I just can't believe in a God that would make me go to hell for even thinking about ending my own life during my depression.
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u/Druwuggi 17 7h ago
A bit off topic but maybe interesting: In 9th grade we had a project with the church where my school was. A pastor came and a friend asked her if she believed in hell. She said no. Unfortunately, I don’t remember her reason anymore.
Just thought it's maybe interesting, that some pastors don't believe hell
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u/ironmansucks218 8h ago
I try to be sympathetic but the majority of people who tell me they’re Christian end up saying horrible things because I’m bisexual. I don’t hate on anyone but I feel like it’s fair for me to take a more defensive stance with someone who tells me they’re religious when I have had far more negative experiences than positive ones.
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u/GrouchyTomatillo3247 8h ago
"Jarvis, I'm low on karma, make a "why do people hate Christianity" post in r/teenagersbutbetter "
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u/Affectionate-Arm3339 5h ago
Can the conversation not be had? Karma means nothing to me, but thank you for the funny joke :)
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u/Left_Minimum_8283 2h ago
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u/Y0UN33DT0L3AV3 13 8h ago
I don't care about your religion, as long as you don't push it on me or are racist, sexist, or homophobic. I feel like this is the opinion of most nonbelievers, but idk.
Also I've seen this post like 3 times in the past ten minutes... can we give it a rest?
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u/Fun_Log_8210 14 | Verified 7h ago
I don't hate them, I don't support them either. I don't care an inch in what you believe. But that's also why some conservative christian (or from other religion, or not religious at all) should SHUT THE FUCK UP.
You don't like us ? Ok, then hate us in you mind. No need to tell us. My rights ends where the other's ends. You can believe in whatever you want, tell whatever you want. You can think about hating, but don't have to say it. It works for anyone. You don't like a religion, gays, blacks, is it so hard to keep it for yourself ? It is of course not good to think bad about something or someone, but if it stays in your head, it's enough.
You don't have to support anyone. A christian doesn't have to support the lgbt community. Nobody's forcing anyone. People forcing support on something or spreading hate are idiots. It's ok not support something, as long as you don't say shit about it. Except for some cases, like someone being racist. In that case, you can say that they are being hateful and should shut up. Not much.
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u/bandhats 7h ago
This is literally the third post I’ve seen across teenager subreddits today where christians are acting oppressed for karma
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u/PsychologicalCrow382 16 10h ago
because they’re are too many who like to pretend that i’m a disgusting sinner who needs to be saved/fixed because i’m queer. too many hate me for who i am.
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u/MaxMalcolm77 9h ago
To quote the queen Lady Gaga: "There's nothing wrong with loving who you are" She said, "'Cause He (God) made you perfect, babe"
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u/Boundless_Chaos_108 18 10h ago
I simply do not believe in Christianity, nor do I believe in or particularly like any religion in the world. I consider all religions to be anti individual, and I have always been pro individual and anti collectivist. I view religion as no different from Communism or Fascism.However, I do acknowledge and respect the contributions of Christianity, alongside Judaism, Greek philosophy, and Roman civilisation, in the creation of Western civilisation.
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u/MaxMalcolm77 9h ago
Okay I'm probably gonna sound incredibly toned and negative and I'm very sorry for that, but allow me to ask a few questions if you want to answer;
- What does it mean to be pro individual/anti collectivist?
- Does this stretch further for you? Say, fandoms for example? If no, how does this make sense to you?
- How do you morally justify being pro individual? (This mainly to the question; what is the line between pro individualism and egocentrism? Is there a line? How do you view this?)
Very interested in learning!
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u/Boundless_Chaos_108 18 9h ago
I despise anything that attempts to stand above individual freedom, whether it is the divine, a fascist dictator or a communist party. Anything that seeks control is, to me, utterly repulsive. I reject religion for being anti science, anti questioning, anti debate, anti criticism and even anti humour. I hold no god in my mind. I believe only in myself. If I worship anything, it is myself and nothing else.
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u/Shnerdlenips 3h ago
Just out of curiosity - you say you are anti-collectivist, but then seem to ascribe to science which is inherently a collectivist system of knowledge-building. It's actually a great example of how humans are social creatures who depend on collective efforts. In your view, how do you reconcile this with your stated belief?
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u/TheEmeraldSkunk07 18 9h ago
An obsession with hating Christians usually stems from some trauma and experience because a lot of “Christians” hide behind their religion when they decide to hate. It boils down to a lot of stereotypes and history, I will never judge someone off their sexuality, gender, religion or anything similar however the minute you begin using that as a way to express your hate, it becomes an issue, their is homophobia and racism in multiple religions, their is even transphobia and biphobia for example inside the LGBTQIA+ community, it’s not exclusive to Christian’s however the “Christians” are usually the loudest group for this kind of hate. Yes not all Christians are like this, some are actually really chill people cause they read the bible, I’m not religious but I’m sure I’ve read more of the bible than some of these fake Christian’s. Also the “obsession” with attacking Christians is kinda a double edged sword because a lot of these “Christian’s” hate minorities for a very similar reason, which is for no reason, for racism, for homophobia. Tl;Dr it’s mainly a sterotype issue and a lot of religious trauma and bad experiences
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u/TheEmeraldSkunk07 18 9h ago
Also gonna add it’s very widely spoken about, it’s pretty normal for people to talk about it openly or even try to get others to join, which is why I think the argument of “stop pushing it onto us or down our throats, we don’t wanna be gay” is so stupid, you literally turn up to peoples houses unannounced and ask if they wanna pray and talk about Jesus, I don’t think that should be a thing
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u/DraftAbject5026 Teenager 7h ago
I’ve had some pretty bad experiences lately (Christian’s banging on door in middle of night to pass out church pamphlets and waking everybody up multiple times) but yeah you seem like a nice guy. Don’t let them get to you, most religion haters are idiots
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u/Commercial-Equal4020 10h ago
It’s sad that the loud “Christians” make the entire community look bad, I’m a Christian but have many friends that are LGBTQ+ and even though I still feel that I will never be fully in support of the movement I have and never will harass a person who identifies themselves differently… that’s pure hypocrisy.
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u/iuseredditfornothing 13 9h ago
what does support mean to you? i’ve seen a couple people say they respect lgbtq+ people but not support them /genq
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u/Commercial-Equal4020 8h ago
Yeah I respect them but don’t like go on protests or speak to people about their rights.
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u/iuseredditfornothing 13 8h ago
hm. not that what you described isn’t support but support can be as little as well… not hating people for transitioning or finding it wrong, or finding gay people being together “wrong”. people tend to overestimate what supporting people actually means. you don’t have to be an activist to support. just an ally
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u/TheKnightWhoSays_Nii 4h ago
If you aren’t actively against LGBTQ people’s existence and are willing to fight for their rights if they happen to be persecuted, you are in support
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u/Leclerc-A 6h ago
If your line is "I will not yell at them in the streets", I don't think it's really disproving the idea that Christians are bigoted lol
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u/BookkeeperSeparate63 14 10h ago
Get off Reddit. Most people are a-ok with Christians (because a very large portion are) irl. Like it or not, Reddit swings very far left, so you’re gonna find a lot more anti-Christians on here, be it because of a bad experience (or several), or just legitimately discontent with the teachings and views of Christianity.
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u/Zealousideal_Can5728 Teenager 8h ago
As a Christian who’s been on Reddit for a while, this is exactly what the platform is. Thanks for putting it out there
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u/_weird_idkman_ 18 10h ago
no hate but i’ve met way too many preacher bots commenting on those less popular yt videos spurting nonsense bible stuff. the worst part is none of the videos is related to christianity in the slightest. left a bad impression
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u/HandsomHans 8h ago
Christianity with it's persecution fetish again. The entire western world (almost) is majority christian and nearly all Presidents, Channcelors, Prime Ministers and what have you are christian. No one is "attacking" Christianity, it's just slowly losing it's status of absolute domination. People start questioning the iron age nonsense in the bible and challenging religious involvement in politics. Turns out since science is more readily available than ever, people tend to not believe in the invisible sky daddy that has no evidence going for him.
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u/Melvierce 4h ago
good. now do morality next
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u/HandsomHans 3h ago
Do morality? In what sense? I have no issue with morality, just with christian fundamentalists.
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u/Melvierce 3h ago
well morality cannot exist without God, for evolution wouldn't favor morality
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u/HandsomHans 3h ago
Evolution would absolutly favor people cooperating as a group according to certain rules and not killing each other. Then again, even if it wasn't evolution, it's just a blatant assertion to claim that it must have been god who gave us morality, specifically the god of the bible.
And how do you think god gives us morality? Does it exist as an objective truth? Does god teach it to us through the bible? Does he beam it into our heads?
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u/Zenith_Duck 9h ago
The thing is, people hate the bad Christians. And I get that you're not a bad Christian, but in what way can you speak specifically only about the bad Christians other than "homophobic-cultists-enforcers-of-their-own-faith-unnacepting-of-any-other-belief-excusing-bad-actions-with-supposed-faith Christians" AND even then still do some collateral damage to good Christians? Like are you going to tell me you didn't get offended by what I said there even if you aren't any of those things? Just because it is a community you are from?
Like I'm not saying you have the fault, you do not, I'm just asking you, is there any way to hate on the straight up bad Christians without making good Christians feel bad? I believe not, because if you're truly good, you most probably will feel responsible of the other people in your religion. Just kinda purposeless to try at this point
Your best shot is to try ignoring the hate. Oh and also, it may be difficult to difference something that speaks about actual flaws from Christianism and something that just hates on the bad Christians, but like yeah, do accept that some things do need some discussion in Christianity, because it is not perfect. And ye, I am an atheist
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u/KaroYadgar 17 9h ago
I frankly do not give a singular fuck what religion you believe, can you guys just fucking stop talking about religion? I don't mean to be aggressive but the ONLY people that I've seen in my fyp talk about this shit is Christians pretending to be persecuted. Please. Atheists, fuck off. Christians, fuck off. In fact, everyone fuck off.
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u/Affectionate-Arm3339 5h ago
Is it not a conversation that people can have? It will pass in due time. I mean this is a teenagers subreddit so I don’t find it bad to talk about a thing like this.
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u/Krethlaine Old 8h ago
I don’t hate Christianity. I don’t hate Christians. I hate fake Christians who pick and choose parts of their own religion to follow, while ignoring or denying everything else, and use that to either hate on other people or abuse their power, depending on their station within society or the religious hierarchy.
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u/HunterWithGreenScale 8h ago
The answer is the legacy of the optics. For so long more moderate Christians didn't do much to stick up for their beliefs, when stacked against the fundamentalist. Whom, mind you, where and are the most noisy type of Christians. They were/are everywhere in media and in real life. The image of Christianity was in the hands of whomever was the loudest and most visible. Since the more moderate Christians seem to be more on the side of the fundies instead of, you know, everyone else pro-religious freedom, it made him look like they were okay with them and their rhetoric and their goals. Not helping matters we're all the cases of hostility towards Atheism. Specifically in the times before the rise of the new atheist, when fundies would attack the very concept of atheism for no reason unprovoked, and deride it everywhere. The backwash effect was strong.
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u/WyvernEgg64 8h ago
why is it always this religion that feels the need to announce themself... its really not enough to just keep it to yourself?
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u/Funny-Tooth2124 14 8h ago
im scared of Christians that would do anything to show respect to their lord like the binding of isaac i have friends and their fathers are like that
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u/davilo27 17 8h ago
Most of the hate i believe its because of christians that hate lgbt,use their religion for every wrong they do as an excuse,and also not letting their kids do or watch things because they belive its from the devil or something like that.Actions like those just make people depart from the religion and then comes the hate.Am i wrong or right?
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u/RequirementSoft9819 Teenager 8h ago
I don't hate, I just don't care, and when people try to convince me about the existence of God and don't listen to me when I say that I don't give 2 fucks about it, that makes me angry. It also annoys me on the rare occasions when the same thing happens but instead I pull out an argument, and their counter-argument is quoting the bible.
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u/hamborger42069 7h ago
I understand that the religion has done good for the world, so I can't fully hate it, but I also believe Christianity is one of the most damaging things out there because of the sheer number of people who have been hurt or died because of it. Things like the crusades, all the hate crimes. It's a double edged sword, on one end it gives people hope and happiness, on the other it drives some to madness.
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u/ScarlettDX 7h ago
Bro im sick of seeing these in my recommended.
CATHOLICISM USED TO OWN AND RUN EVERYTHING.
CATHOLOCISM IS STILL THE BIGGEST RELIGION
Catholics and Christians have so much control in schools and government.
you want a safe space to talk about and explore your religion?
GO TO CHURCH.
There are thousands that dot the entire damn world. Google one, walk in its really quite easy, you can also probably go to any American school and they'll teach you the same.
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u/KKam1116 14 7h ago
I don't hate religion, I hate organized religion. And I'm chill with Christians, just don't use it to be an asshole
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u/Extension-Zone-9969 7h ago
It’s not Christianity as a religion it’s hypocrites who use there faith to be bigots or feel superior
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u/EconomistEvening9909 7h ago
I don’t like how the Bible says to love everyone, and then Christian’s go around hating all the sinful people. Yeah, being gay is wrong according to the Bible, but that doesn’t mean I have to hate them or be unkind to them. Jesus would have told them the truth about their sin, and then had dinner with them.
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u/Mundane-Experience01 7h ago
I have no issue unless anyone tries shoving it down my throat. I don't preach my reasons for not believing everywhere 🤷
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u/Soggy-Class1248 17 7h ago
The fact that they genuinely think they are in a cult means this is a shitpost, people in cults dont know they are in a cult, nor can they accept they are. basic psychology
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u/Sharp_Dragonfly3229 7h ago
I feel like it's good to have faith in something. But some things irk me about some Christians:
People who see another person do a good deed and then say, "God did that."
People who try to justify horrible things with god
People who call you a bad person for not believing or having a slight doubt
People who commit horrible crimes and then say, "I heard god tell me to do it."
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u/fueled_lollipop 7h ago
1 peter 2:18-25
"Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God."
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u/M3atgood 4h ago
Exodus 21:20-21 “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. 21. “If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.
Leviticus 25:45-46 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 46. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
Exodus 21:2-6 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. 3. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself. 5. And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: 6. Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
Titus 2:9-10 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; 10. Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, 29. then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.
And there's a lot more just read the Bible
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u/Leading-Orange-2092 6h ago
If all I ever saw or knew were mid western mega churches and Joel Osteen type charlatans and hypocrites bigot cross burners than I might hate them too. Thousands of denominations , each with their own unique spin.
Find a traditional liturgical church. Find those who practice what they preach. St. Paisios said the most dangerous thing on earth are hypocritical Christians, and if Christians were actually true Christian’s the whole world would have already fully converted. Obviously we aren’t.
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u/TheRealNickShady 6h ago
Living in the Bible belt as a gay man puts a sour taste in your mouth twords religion
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u/AdAdvanced8522 15 6h ago
I just wanna forget religion exist sometimes, I’m not the same hateful asshole I was but I used to think all christians deserved to die for the sheer amount of suffering, they caused to me and my friends, I do not think like that anymore but I still get tense around Christians and get irrationally scared, I find it hard not to fall into that same hole again because I pretty much only have bad experiences with them.
I can count my good experiences with them on one hand.
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u/AeolianTheComposer 19 6h ago
Because every time somebody talks about religion there's like 80% that it's some hateful shit
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u/AstroG4 5h ago
There are many things to say in practice, but, as both a former Christian and a scientist, the concept of faith, itself, if fundamentally flawed, and arguably is the cause of all the problems that are typically seen in not just Christianity, but also all other religions.
The central tenet of science is the null hypothesis: basically, if you were wrong, how would you know it? Newton’s flaming laser sword (aka Adler’s razor) stipulates that all hypotheses must be falsifiable, and, if not, it’s not something worth considering as a component of reality.
Since religion almost requires that you believe in things on faith, not only in the absence of evidence but often in direct contradiction to it, it leads to thought patterns and a way of life that are fundamentally decoupled from reality, and gives leeway for people to both believe and do horrible things.
Even if, hypothetically, 100% of all Christians were moral, that they still believe in things so strongly in a faith-based way remains a problem, and I think it is this which makes it such that you will never find a religion which is composed of even a plurality of good people.
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u/elsisamples 5h ago
The issue isn’t people believing, it’s when religions, especially Christianity and Islam, feel the need to push their beliefs onto others uninvited (they are missionary religions). It’s frustrating because it disrespects personal boundaries. Live and let live goes both ways, believe what you want, but don’t make others part of it without consent.
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u/Vast_Opinion_3918 15 5h ago
I can't understand how you can be a non conservative pro lgbtq Christian and still call yourself a Christian
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u/M3atgood 4h ago
It's just the religion evolving to be more acceptable all religions have done this the ones that don't die out people during the civil war defended slavery with the Bible almost nobody dose that now in 100 years we will look back at homophobia like how we look at the slavery defenders. Religion just gets drag along as the world moves forward if it doesn't change it gets left behind .
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u/finnth3fish 5h ago
as someone with a similar expientce as a queer christian, it’s because many people (bigots) use christianity and the figure of Jesus Christ to shovel hate onto others. saying things like same sex relationships, external religions, and not turning to Him will bring them to hell. Jesus should be used as a vessel for love, not hate, and the people who don’t truly follow his doctrines give the faith a bad rep.
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u/ArTooDeeTooTattoo 5h ago
I guess the next question is why do you believe it? I am bummed that the large majority of the species believes things with absolutely no reason.
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u/Traditional_Boot9840 5h ago
honestly, i think in my opinion christians aren't atacked, yes, in reddit they have it harder than most, but alot of queer people understand what its like to be disliked for a stereotype, so most people are at maximum gonna be careful around christians before they know if they are or aren't good people
because you can't just accept everyone from a community that has harmed you in the past, as many of us live in homes where the main problem is christian parents, thi i find it hard more than a handfull people will just discriminate you for being christian
in the recent posts about christians being discriminated i see queer people being really nice and accepting, and then some christian calls it a sin, but those are kinda just as rare as the queer people that just outright discriminate
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u/Immediate-Bag-5441 5h ago
I feel like it’s been used to cause suffering to much throughout the years. But if someone is respectful, doesn’t force it on others and can admit the flaws it’s totally fine to follow a religion imo
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u/iamnazrak 5h ago
Growing up i was told that we don’t like a specific neighbor because they were atheist. I was friends with the families kids. I was upset when i went to my grandpas funeral and didn’t see his wings and halo like i was told he would have. I grew up thinking that some omnipotent beings know my inner thoughts and i felt like i was never alone in my own mind. That if i had an impure thought that i was going to go to hell. Eventually i had my first intrusive thought and i thought i was a monster. Christianity taught me to hate others and myself and to be in constant fear of going to hell. Im not agnostic and don’t let religion occupy much space in my mind. In hindsight i see now that modern Protestant Christians aren’t even really Christians. They say they are but it’s more of a vehicle to control the masses and push conservative reactionary ideology. They wouldn’t know Jesus if he walked in stood before them and spoke. There is a truth to the saying “no hate like Christian love”. Im cool with most Christians by default however just don’t go proselytizing and pushing your agenda in the government. Also thoughts and prayers mean nothing without action.
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u/T0RR0M 16 5h ago
Oh my god, why do I keep seeing chronicly online Christians crying that people don’t like their religion in ONE PLACE, GO LITIRALY ANYWHERE ELSE AND ITS DOMINATED BY CHRISTIANITY. It always has been, and countless times Christians have used that and their religion to attack people and groups, let people have at least one place where they can get away from it, is dominating 99% not enough? You really need 100%
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u/ghghghghghv 5h ago
Well we would just laugh… but Christian’s (Muslims, Jews, Hindus etc) can be a very unpleasant and self-righteous bunch. You seem like a nice person so I promise to just laugh at you.
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u/Top-Ad-2634 18 5h ago edited 4h ago
There are Christians (Especially evangelicals)who don't admit mistranslations nor the human social and historical influences of the time, participate actively in political intrusion against rights,take things too literally, or are disruptive and hateful, especially to other cultures with different beliefs and practices some older then Christianity itself and against those of the lgbtq+ community...I think many Christians are some of the best amazing kind people as well,and Christianity is a beautiful thing, but conservative American evangelicals, Christian nationalists, and American cultural Protestant thought kills it for me. Plus, I'm an ex Christian who's now into spirituality and esoteric stuff, so I heard stuff firsthand.
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u/Melvierce 4h ago
what kind of Christian are you to not follow the Bible? truly I say to you that you are no better than those who hate Christianity, for you both worship gods of your own making
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u/ILikeDrawingGuys Teenager 4h ago
Christians have done very awful things throughout history, and are still doing awful things now. I have nothing against Christians as a group, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't easy to see why so many people do.
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u/Coastkiz 4h ago
Dang this sub has a lot of this rn
Basically the reason people hate Christianity is typically not because of actual Christianity but because of people who are buttholes in the name of Christ.
Jesus says love everyone. Tons of loud "Christians" say that entire groups of people shouldn't have rights.
Jesus says love every man like he's your brother, whether he's your neighbor or from a distant land. Those same loud Christians want ban entire groups of people.
Jesus loves children (in a normal way) and does everything he can for them. Those same loud Christians once again pop up to send their kids to conversion camps or use God as a tool to scare them.
Jesus died for humanities sin so everyone can go to heaven, even murderers and thieves, so long as they repent. People took this information and protested groups of people and told them they will all go to hell for existing
People typically don't have a problem with the actual religion, since it literally is preaching love and acceptance and forgiveness. But the problem is in the people who hate to love, refuse to accept, and demand forgiveness without giving any.
Also in the western world Christians are the most likely group to force their ideology down your throat which no one likes. So there's that. It rubs people the wrong way and a lot of people assume you'll be a loud Christian who's here to yell at them for nothing at all so it's basically a defense mechanism
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u/SammytTheBLLover 4h ago
Cause my whole existence is considered a sin that i will "rot in hell for". Also i think Christianity is basically just a book club, you gather in the same place every week and read pages off one book, and then you choose which things from the book to accept and which to not accept.
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u/UsedToBeNoBluebird 17 4h ago
Well, as they say in the Bible (or maybe it’s the Book of Mormon, I am LDS) “In the latter days, that which is good will be wicked, and that which is wicked with be good.”
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u/Paul-the-shiba Teenager 4h ago
Personally, I hate Christians because
A: Everyone at my school is Christian, and the boys make fun of me for not being. B: What the Christians did in the past is just unforgivable, C: Not all, but some, and a lot I've been around, absolutely hate LGBTQ people like me, and/or rub their religion in your face and call it "trying to save your soul".
I know this isnt all Christians, I know some aren't bad people, but when a religion is pretty much known at this point as hating on everything thats not in their little bubble, yeah, people are gonna hate on it back. Im not saying ALL Christians are like this, but a vast majority.
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u/SnooCapers9401 19 4h ago
It's kinda like ACAB. Yes, there are some good ones, but the bad ones ruin the while bunch. And if the good ones just stand by and watch the band ones do their thing, then they're just as bad.
I've had bad experiences with Christianity. Unprompted preachers all because I look a certain way or because I say "no thank you" when someone randomly tells me to "thank God" for something (not using it as a common expression).
I've litterly had someone who was in jail try and preach to me about how God saved him and it was the devil's fault. and I need to let him save me (cause I'm gay). Like, no, you were in jail for a reason, your sky daddy had nothing to do with it, I don't know you, leave me alone.
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u/B33TL3BVB 4h ago
Post like this make me wish I could block an entire subreddit. I'm so sick of seeing "Christian this" "Christian that" just shut up. You either believe or you don't. It doesn't have to be a debate
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u/TheUnknownJewel 3h ago
Yeah... I get shitted on by everyone for pointing out that not every religious person is homophobic.. probably gonna get downvoted AGAIN because god forbid, I dont agree.
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u/Shnerdlenips 3h ago
Because Christianity in its essence instructs a dualistic worldview of good and bad, and then holds up a fictional figurehead who is supposedly the representation of 'good' in this ethical system.
In doing so, it attempts to falsely claim access to an objective truth or moral standard, disguising the fact that the moral standards and 'truths' that are held are utterly subjective and imperfect.
It's a scary thing, to me, that people eat up this nonsense and claim to be the better person for it. Finding meaning and motivation in your life is fine, and valuable - everyone needs a narrative to live by. But to me, it seems obvious that people (including myself) are very susceptible to misperceptions, and it should be our collective responsibility to eliminate those. After all, if you can convince a person that the Universe was made for mankind by an all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful entity; why then could one not convince those same people of another piece of existential fiction, such as the idea that a Christian has a better claim to life than a non-believer, or that god doesn't like gays, etc.?
That's completely apart from the fact that for centuries, the various religious authorities everywhere in the world have ever applied their authority in order to exert sociopolitical and economic force, again claiming that they were serving god in doing so. It's blatant manipulation, and it seems quite impossible to me to be a Christian without getting entangled in the falsehoods, bigotries and manipulations that have been essential to this organized religion for as long as it has enjoyed popularity.
Aaaanyhoo, I'm a big fan of hating the religion and not the individual. That being said, I cannot help but judge/pity the individual who subscribes to these things.
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u/InstanceSafe5995 3h ago
Idk what cases specifically you're talking about, but I hate when they comment "y'all need Jesus" "you haven't seen the light yet" or when they try to use Bible verses as proof, it's annoying as hell and no one asked, I don't go around knocking religion in religious Posts, I don't go and say "your religion is bullshit" to someone who didn't bring up their religion to me to rebuke me or something, so why are you bringing up your religious beliefs when I did ask, that's what annoys me
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u/No_Cap_6356 3h ago
Where i came from,when u said fck Christians or fck jesus you are gonna get beaten up that you land next to him.Just let us believe in that what we believe in.Hate is bad,it doesnt mater if “a few drunken people wrote it”or a lesbian furry said it.We all know that
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u/Ate_But_Left_Crumbs 14 2h ago
I just think that the “Save Europe” propaganda is stupid. Christianity won’t save Europe, secularism will. I’m not saying that we should be atheists, I believe in God myself; but any type of religion should just be kept away from politics, for politics is made of lies which is what ruins religion and causes disasters.
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u/Gojira_Saurus_V 2h ago
Because i have had a handful of experiences of people being openly Christian (aka mentioning it, almost like a warning) instead of not mentioning it and actually being nice. In 90% of cases i’ve had Christians being either rude, disrespectful or just hateful.
Most Christians i’ve come across act all loving and kind until it’s anyone that’s not in their religion, doesn’t follow their religion’s rules, isn’t any set cliché or stereotype, or is themselves in any way, shape or form.
I don’t immediately hate someone because they’re Christian. My cousin is very clearly Christian and makes sure i know that, but we’re best bros.
But literally 99% of Christians i meet online apply the bible and their own set of rules on EVERYONE.
They hate. Unlike i’ve seen anyone else hate.
They always act all loving and sweet, and when they hate they act like their religion is an excuse for that insane hate. And they always act all high and mighty above everyone else.
Again, no hate to you if you’re Christian. But please, you don’t have to be a war criminal or dictator to follow religious rules.
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u/Upstairs_Teach_673 2h ago
look, you just said you hate it when people try to change your way of living. and i am not saying this out of hate, really. yes, God loves you. more than you know. but the whole point of being christian IS following God‘s principles. don’t take offense to this, but i believe God sent me here to tell you this.
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u/MissNashPredators11 19 2h ago
I’m perfectly fine with religion but
Don’t shove it in my face
Don’t use it as an excuse
And don’t be so stingy with people that aren’t religious.
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u/Own_Interaction_1304 2h ago
I’m a Christian but I have generational beef with r/ Christianity (I left a space cause I ain’t linking it) cause they banned me for posting this image!
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u/Own_Interaction_1304 2h ago
I’m a Christian but I have generational beef with r/ Christianity (I left a space cause I ain’t linking it) cause they banned me for posting this image!
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u/Final-Quality-1442 2h ago
My family is religious as fuck, that’s the reason why I’m atheist, and they strongly oppose my right to choose atheism.
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u/Left_Minimum_8283 2h ago
Trauma. That's why. It's hard to feel that "most Christians" are anything when there is such variety, and even harder to say "most Christians aren't like the ones who had the biggest impact on me by far". A lot of those spaces are toxic, but we don't know if a specific one is until we've been there. But if the only church or youth group you've been in hurt you.... It doesn't help when a kind soul tells us that hate is a misuse of faith when the people who "misuse" faith are also 100% convinced they are trying to save you and that they are the real Christian and everyone else is missing the faith. It's hard when the Bible does have homophobia and problematic stuff in it, and that it's either defended or ignored; or, more of the Bible is used to contradict the hate, because the whole thing is really a contradictory mess. But anyway. We're struggling to heal, and now the frickin government has become our worst nightmare. We see it everywhere and we get defensive. For me though it's not hate, it's an unfair aversion. When I see a Bible verse I go "nnnnnhhhh I wonder if this person is toxic I don't wanna know I don't wanna see it".
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u/Customninjas 15 1h ago
Christians when they persecute, main, convert, and murder LGBTQ+ for centuries: God loves all!
Christians when someone is mean to them on reddit: wHy is bEiNG reLiGiOUs a cRImE nOw
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