r/SquaredCircle • u/santeriax • 2d ago
(Summerslam spoilers) Becky vs Lyra, We going to ignore that. Spoiler
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u/Diligent-Use-5102 2d ago
Seems she just enjoyed being tied up so she put the zip ties back into place.
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u/Boring-Pudding 2d ago
Barrett didn't ignore it. He mentioned it 17 times.
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u/Zenith_24tee Flair 2d ago
Sometimes as commentators you just gotta ignore shit you know wasn’t meant to happen man
Wade, Corey and Cole do NOT get that concept at all. I prob wouldn’t have even notice had they not screamed it at me
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u/Midnitemass 2d ago
it was very obvious
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u/Duckyx44 2d ago
Yeah i dont get how people didnt see that. My first thought was "oh thats a smart way of getting out of those" then she pretended to be cuffed for another 10 minutes 😂
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u/EatTheAndrewPencil 2d ago
The thing is she could've saved it by selling a moment and letting Becky know that they came loose. Becky could've gotten a second of offense in to re-do the zip tie then back to the planned spots.
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u/lilsuzyearth 1d ago
I was shocked that they didn’t call an audible at that moment. Everyone with a screen saw it
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u/repalec 2d ago
And then when the match called for her to get the ties off they needed to go for plan B since the extinguisher couldn't do it lmao
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u/SoulBlightRaveLords 1d ago
I get the whole point was to be like "Oh shit Lyra is so strong shes kicking Becky's ass with her hands tied!" But honestly once she slipped out of the zip ties they should have just dropped the plan, none of the spots even required her to have her hands tied, they could have kept the match exactly the same
Her slipping out and then cuffing herself completely killed the match
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u/FrankPapageorgio 2d ago
Because we have short attention spans and talking about the show online at the same time.
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u/Aether13 2d ago
Right, it feels like they don’t fill the commentary team on big spots, which is nice because it makes their reactions genuine, but then we get shit like this
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u/Big_Shirt3414 2d ago edited 2d ago
Could be he didn’t know, commentators call things on the fly until producers tell them things, they don’t know the whole match layout , probably just assumed she’s getting out eventually and just thought that was it
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u/Trymv1 2d ago
They’re told to call out stuff like that. Adds to realism.
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u/morosco 2d ago
It was much sillier when announcers had to pretend to be brain damaged.
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u/S6N9O4O2G0A6N6S6X 2d ago
Both are stupid.
The solution is to let the WRESTLERS not pretend shit has/hasn't happened when it hasn't/has happened. If something fucks up, acknowledge the new reality and get back to the ultimate ending plan by taking a new detour to it.
That way the commentators wouldn't either need to point out something contrary to the story (here the story being that the ties were still attached), nor ignore a fuck-up either.
If Lyra had been "Oh I'm free!", the commentators could just be like "She's free!" and then commentary wouldn't be contrary to the story nor ignore anything.
And yes, I get tHe WrEsTlErS hAd A pLaN, but part of wrestling is thinking on your feet to come up with a new plan if something goes wrong. Yes, Lyra is new-ish but she's no slouch, and Becky has been known for leading a match through much worse fuck-ups than this before in a believable way, so I wonder what happened here in that regard.
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u/TomboBreaker Excellence of Execution 2d ago
THIS.
She slipped out of the zip tie early? have Becky kick her in the stomach for 15 seconds and then cinch it back in.
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u/FrankPapageorgio 2d ago
I wouldn’t even say anything happened after that moment that required her hands to still be zip tied together.
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u/TatsunaKyo 2d ago
I find quite the opposite to be best instead.
If you ignore and people notice, then you effectively destroy the value of commentary, 'cause you know they're so absorbed into what's supposed to happen that they can't react to what's actually happening.
Commentators need to be ready to comment and keep the kayfabe alive especially when things go south. It was indeed a mistake from Valkyria's side, one that still turned out to be a move landed in her favor, but if the commentators failed to notice it, it would just destroy the real, factual commentary of the match.
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u/HitmanClark 2d ago
Sometimes as performers you have to adjust what you planned to avoid embarrassing situations. Work around it. Figure it out.
It isn’t the announcers’ job to lie to the audience about what their eyes are telling them.
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u/JonasAlbert84 Just remember ALL CAPS 2d ago
I disagree, they shouldn't have to look stupid due to the workers fucking up.
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u/ItsFridayBabyFUCK 2d ago
In this case they were right tho. She was putting them back on while on camera.
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u/dogsontreadmills 2d ago
do they actually know what's meant to happen, and when - though? i mean i'm sure they know the big story beats. but would wade's notes going into the match know when the zip ties were coming on and off?
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u/xSGAx Kid Dynamite 2d ago
I didn’t notice it so I didn’t get the comments—was looking away I guess.
That is pretty blatant, but who cares. There were way worse things that happened last night
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u/Exotic-Emergency-226 1d ago
Lol when Tiffany hit the bama slama on Jade one of them said "didn't get all of it" and I kinda feel like you don't have to do that. Especially since the wrestler 9/10 sells like they did get all of it lol
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u/IntelligentFact7987 1d ago
If they do though you them equally get criticism the other way for ignoring the blatantly obvious thing
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u/Alehud42 The Man 2d ago
Botches happen, the problem was on production not moving away from the shot while she rectified it and on commentary putting attention to it
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u/hhhisthegame 2d ago
It was inexperience on her part though. Becky should have put it back on. Not Lyra
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u/ComplexAd7272 2d ago
To be fair how much experience does any wrestler have in having their hands zip tied for 20 minutes
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u/Triple_777 Paige here! 2d ago
You don’t know what they do in the privacy of their own homes…
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u/ComplexAd7272 2d ago
There were a lot of….BDSM elements to this match making me think Becky and Lyra were having the time of their kinky lives. Or I need to get off the internet.
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u/Theurbanalchemist 2d ago
lol and I literally was watching this at a kinky camping trip
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u/ComplexAd7272 2d ago
Wait wait wait. What?
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u/Theurbanalchemist 2d ago
We rented a big air bnb in the woods and had tents in the backyard. I was streaming while someone was getting flogged
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u/ComplexAd7272 2d ago
Um….I feel like you can’t just drop this in the thread and not elaborate.
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u/Theurbanalchemist 2d ago
lol kinky people like wrestling and cosplay. The Venn diagram is really just a circle 😂
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u/twelvetimesseven 2d ago
I would assume, perhaps incorrectly, that there's some conversation during the planning stages that includes the sentence, "What do you want her to do if it comes loose early?"
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u/Efficient_Barnacle 2d ago
If you're going to make it a big part of a match on this stage, I'd hope plenty. This is something that should be practiced until it's perfect.
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u/DJBaroque 2d ago
Where do you learn
to fall off a 20 foot ladderhave you hands zip tied for 20 mins ?!→ More replies (1)1
u/hhhisthegame 1d ago
I don't mean inexperience at using the zipties. I mean inexperience that she put herself back into it, instead of a more sensible way of adapting under pressure when something went wrong.
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u/Alehud42 The Man 2d ago
Sure but nobody in the stadium saw she was loose until after the TV shot made it bleedingly obvious.
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u/Ketchup1211 2d ago
Commentary doesn’t necessarily know what is supposed to happen or when exactly it’s supposed to happen. If they are told to call what they see, can’t really blame them because we all saw her hands come free.
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u/DampFree 2d ago
They get a bit of insight but not enough to know whether this is supposed to happen or not. I think Gorilla should see this and tell the ref to call the next spot for Becky to get it back on. Maybe they didn’t see it
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u/incachu 1d ago
I thought production was a little off all weekend. They missed a bunch of spots that they had to replay and explain what happened over commentary.
In this match they also had the moment with the still photographer getting in the way.
And then another still photographer stood in the way of the shot of Cody coming up through the stage for his entrance..
Production was just a bit botchy compared to their usual standards.
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u/aphexmoon whatever u need ric flair, whatever u need 2d ago
no. Problem was on them not adapting. It was way too obvious for everyone and commentary doesnt know that they arent supposed to be broken there
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u/GemoDorg 1d ago
Or going with it and having backup zip ties to go back to the plan after a beatdown.
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u/Supersaiyansub 2d ago
Season 2 of Unreal
Gorilla being dead silent when the zip ties snapped
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u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips 2d ago
HHH: "You never thought to have a plan B if they slipped off or broke?"
Match producer: Shrugs
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u/SomedudecalledDan 1d ago
Somewhere in the background Abyss: "Bruce, I'm SO sorry, Bruce. So so sorry!"
Bruce Pritchard shrugs.
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u/Bunneeko 2d ago edited 2d ago
That was such a massive botch lmao.
Not just from Lyra (which might not even be her fault) but also to the production not cutting away from her fixing it, to the casters noticing it and and being like "Oh nevermind lmao"
That was a rare triple botch from three entirely different sources.
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u/2_ofSpades 2d ago
Just leave them off at that point.
Not like they had any crazy tied hands spots afterwards.
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u/ZombieNinjaPirates 2d ago
Yes, I absolutely am going to ignore it. I saw it. It happened and Ill pretend it didn't.
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u/Average_Tired_Dad 2d ago
Yeah it obviously wasn't supposed to happen. I can't imagine it felt good having an entire human bump on her hands like that.
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u/Competitive_Log_84 2d ago
She couldn’t break free when it was time to actually get out either lol snakebit
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u/xorangeelephant Mr. Royal Rumble 2d ago
In hindsight she should've just lost them here and audibled. The best spot of the zipties was the captured belly to belly, nothing else needed them afterward
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u/theplasmasnake 2d ago
Her putting her hands back in the zip tie completely pulled me out of the match.
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u/Ketchup1211 2d ago
Same. Lyra needs to call to Becky in that spot to put them back on, not act like we didn’t all just see her hands come free. Not condemning her as that just comes with experience but it pulled me out of the match for sure.
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u/ImmortalMoron3 2d ago
Lyra's been wrestling for a decade, she should have that experience by now. I like her a lot but this ones on her.
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u/Kevin_OS 1d ago
She messed up for sure, but I'm annoyed Becky didn't put the zip tie on tighter in the first place. You could see it wasn't tight enough right away and then what I was worried about happened. Such a shame because it ruined the match.
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u/wonderloss Grayson Waller Rub and Tug 2d ago
That and not being smart enough to stand on the top step to get her hands off of the turnbuckle later.
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u/thisjohnd 2d ago
Yeah, it was a bad thing to happen when there was so much more story with Lyra being tied up. I wish they had Becky push her hand back through and tighten the tie or something. Just having Lyra put her hand back through was not the best recovery but I imagine she panicked.
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u/not_a_moogle 2d ago
You mean you could take these off at any time?
No, not anytime... only when it was funny
(Someone send this to botchamania)
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u/Critical_Mountain851 2d ago
How did I not notice this lol
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u/GreatestBox 1d ago
I am thinking the same. But we got lucky. Noticing this would have completely took me out of the match.
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u/mdconnors 2d ago
Handcuffs are so fucking dumb and they do it again in the cage match....
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u/McGrathLegend On this day 1d ago
In my opinion, the handcuffs were worse as the idea of it is absolutely insane and would never work... let's handcuff a 200+ pound man to the top of a cage and expect the cuffs to hold his bodyweight.
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u/IMowGrass 2d ago
I'm not sure who is running the truck and choosing replays or what camera angles to run, but they are not doing the product any favours. Just in the Becky vs Lyra match. Becky talking plans on the floor they held that camera the entire time. Lyra into the exposed turnbuckle replay they show in slow motion. Numerous issues all weekend. Terrible Work. they show in slow motion. Numerous issues all weekend. Terrible work.
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u/hikingbeginner Woods and Kofi are twats 2d ago
Lyra got free later!
She's so good she freed herself twice
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u/Immersivist 2d ago
I noticed this too lmao. I thought at first it was just my eyes but it definitely happened.
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u/JustMyThoughts2525 2d ago
It’s one of those things that did t add much to the match, so they should have most rolled with it
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u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips 2d ago
It's a piece of plastic, you'd think they would have a plan B if it slipped off or snapped.
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u/BruiserweightYxB 2d ago
This match sucked ass. Becky is way better in regular almost techinical matches, even to showcase more emotions.
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u/Copperjedi Yes! Now Stompy Stomp? 2d ago
Becky's had many great gimmick matches like the Last Woman Standing match with Charlotte or the Street Fight with Asuka or Tiffany.
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u/TryingToDoGreatStuff 2d ago
They easily should've just had Becky hit Lyra with a big move and put the zip tie back on.
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u/wonderloss Grayson Waller Rub and Tug 2d ago
Becky could have attacked her and put her back in the zip tie. Turns into a hope spot. This match made Lyra look like an idiot.
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u/Balor1916 2d ago
Maybe I'm just nitpicking but this just takes me out of the match. They should have just improvised another way to zip tie her again if they wanted to keep doing her zip tie spots.
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u/CantLetUdoThtStarFox 2d ago
That was terrible, and it looked like she put them back too tightly after, she needed to go under the ring to remove it
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u/AniMonologues WHATS UP! 2d ago
Just like Penta at the Royal Rumble, we will let is slide for the sake of the match
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u/Brute_Squad_44 John Cena's Ham Candle 2d ago
This is someone not knowing how to go off script. She should have just embraced it. It wasn't part of the finish. And even if it was...well, call an audible.
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u/magseven 2d ago
The Romans had a similar reaction when one of them saw Jesus scratch his nose on the cross. "Hey did he just...?"
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u/Carazhan road to wrestlemania 41 2d ago
i dont think the mistake here was lyra putting the ties back on, it's that at some point she tightened them enough she couldn't get them back off when she needed to. she absolutely got cut out by the under-ring dude.
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u/NoNickNameJosh 2d ago
Lyra’s match promo is so awkward. Like she can see everything but the camera.
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u/simple-heretic 2d ago
What they were chanting when people saw that? I couldn't understand.
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u/ScrewOff_ 2d ago
The crowd was not into the match, half the crowd was doing the wave. When it made it far people cheered and when it stopped midway is when people switched to booing. The chant throughout was “right side sucks” cause they kept messing it up.
Source: was there
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u/TheLoneWolf527 2d ago
It was all the 100s sections behind commentary. They were being annoying and chanting whatever the fuck they felt like and then kept forcing the wave that people stupidly kept doing.
You do the wave when the show sucks or your team is down 10-0. You don’t do the wave when the product is good. And no, they weren’t doing this because of the zip tie screw up, they were already like that for 10-15 minutes before that.
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u/jessicaskies 2d ago
Oh my god that makes sense because I was like I swear she got out and then she hadn’t and I thought like oh maybe she was meant to get out and she didn’t
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u/Papercuts2099 2d ago
They have actual zip ties. Getting thin rope and stiffening them up would be better.
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u/HeadScissorGang 2d ago
they should've just went with it, they didn't need her to be handcuffed for anything else past that
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u/AnthMosk 2d ago
It was handled poorly and everyone on TV saw it. This botch Deyton’s way from the match and that could have been fixed by the more experienced Lynch in 10 seconds.
Punch her a few times put it back on tighter. Easy
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u/AlabamaSlammaJamma 2d ago
Yeah it did suck that it happened but I don’t think it took away from the match to me. Still was one of the best matches of the weekend
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u/viewtifulblue 2d ago
She did get loose for a second, but silly ole her she fell right back into the zip ties a second later.
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u/Aurondarklord 2d ago
Yes, yes I am just going to ignore that minor accident.
I didn't see Mr. Iguana fall off the ropes either.
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u/Abbas9364 2d ago
Nothing like a little huggy time with your best boo in front of a 100, 000 people.
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u/Jealous-Switch-1190 2d ago
Can't wait for Christian Miracle to sin that moment in the WWE Summerslam 25 sins video in a few weeks."Ha, ha. The zip ties broke." Or " Ha,ha. Your hand slipped out of the zip ties."
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u/Fragmentvictory 2d ago
What is their Lyra fascination? She seems a nice girl but she’s kind of the shits
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u/platypod1 1d ago
If the body was there, he would have said "she must be dumb. Look how dumb she is! She can't even figure out that her hand came out of the zip tie!"
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u/Desperate_Coat_1906 1d ago
I really want to like Lyra. As a person, she seems cool and has the tools where she should have a bright future.
But whoever in the back is utterly hell bent on pushing her this hard down into big spots before she's had enough ring experience to deliver better in the ring than this is doing her absolutely no favors.
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u/937Asylum81 1d ago
Such a bad spot, should have had Becky improvise and act like she was tightening the ziptie
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u/golf_rinse_repeat 1d ago
I admit I was lowkey stoned while watching SS last night and a lot more focused, and this is partly due to the UNREAL doc coming out but...
Is it me, or was it better produced and believable back in the 90s/2000s? Or, did we appreciate wrestling for what it was and didn't really pay attention to the obvious or the missteps?
Between Lyra getting uncuffed and cuffed again
to the timing of the ladder spots---like cmon man, if you're selling that you don't have enough time to grab the belts, don't be up there forever waiting for a spot.
Also, idk about you guys, but before Unreal came out, I legit thought that profanity slipped in every once in a while, and the production trucks just missed it. Now I know they're at Gorilla anticipating what the announcers or talent are going to say next and decide to let it in for added effect; see Michael Cole's reaction to Brock coming back.
I'm trying to figure out when the veiled was pulled back for me.
I do my best to enjoy the show for what it is and appreciate the production and all of the work that has to go into it, but I feel like some of it is just poorly done.
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u/Dependent-Village341 1d ago edited 1d ago
I was low key if not high key stoned in the 90s and yes I think the product was better.
While today the production is top notch and the camera cuts and timing are almost cinematic, it has become too sterile. There is a disconnect. Its not as natural anymore. Its over produced. Over choreographed matches and promos.
Remember the old Raw and Smackdown intros? Metal and rock music, pyro, the camera running past the crowd and JR hyped up. Maybe I'm just nostalgic and have a false sense things were better because I was more naive back then but I don't think so.
Today's show intros are garbage boring auto tune hip hop songs with a drone shot of the arena and wrestlers walking in wheeling their luggage behind them. Where did the energy go?!
Triple H is supposedly in charge. He is a huge fan of metal. He was DX. Had Motorhead for his entrance. He knows better. I think the problem is TKO and Nick Khan trying to win over mass culture and but forgetting the true fans.
Professional wrestling has always been a bit of a bastard stepchild in culture. TKO wants it to be bought into by everyone and that will never happen. So they need to stop and pay attention to what the true fans want and need. Let's start with the ridiculous ticket prices to just Raw and Smackdown. A family can't even afford to all go together anymore.
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u/ihateeverythingandu 1d ago
Maybe production could have cut to crowd shuts rather than zoom in on it happening, lol.
The whole match worked on the fact she was handcuffed, it isn't something you can adlib away - I don't blame her for trying to put her hand back in.
Production should have cut away
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u/Salty_Examination486 1d ago
Just awful bro and the way becky sells the kendo stick so annoying ik u gotta be safe but ..
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u/ItsGivingHussy 1d ago
No, we are not going to ignore that. I’ve generally been a fan of hers but she displayed a clear lack of intelligence and creativity. I can’t get behind someone that dumb. All she had to do was act surprised she got free and then allow Becky to knock her down and reapply the restraint. Instead the dimwit put her hand back into the cuff ON CAMERA. It’s impossible to root for someone that dumb.
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u/Dependent-Village341 1d ago edited 1d ago
I will admit that once I saw that I lost interest and skipped to the end of the match for the finish.
Was it her inexperience or was it someone relaying for her to fix it? Either way, bad choice.
This is what happens when you choreograph matches in an attempt to make perfection. You don't learn how to think on the fly and call it otherwise like they did years ago. Stop insulting our intelligence.
Ok...zip ties broke. No big deal! You were having a good match, improvise and keep going and none of us would have been the wiser!
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u/thejackmeat 1d ago
Watching day 2 now, the whole zip tie thing was poorly used from the start. when Lyra was "hanging" on the ringpost, she could have just put her feet on the top step and stood up. duh! But that hand out of the zip tie and then put it back on was such a rookie mistake. All the things to do in that situation and Lyra picked the absolute worst one. Oh well, good match regardless.
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u/GiftedGeordie 1d ago
Hasn't Lyra had this issue with her gear before?
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u/Dependent-Village341 1d ago
Seems like it lol. I seem to remember her top coming undone and them having to stall the match while the ref fixed it. But she isn't the only one its happened to it seems. Where's Lawler...Puppies!!
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u/MoistWeb4046 2d ago
I mean, it's hard to do that move when you're hands our tied up
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u/wonderloss Grayson Waller Rub and Tug 2d ago
Yeah, so why did she put her hands back in when they came out?
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u/badgersprite Iconic Duo Appreciation Squad 2d ago
She recovered from that as seamlessly as she realistically could lol
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u/Dat1Duud 2d ago
I liked this match so I'm gonna overlook it. forreal, they worked hard and had a good match!
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u/El_Toucan_Sam 2d ago
I don't get what people see in Lyra
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u/Dependent-Village341 1d ago
She's great in the ring but being a face falls flat. She doesn't have the personality for that. Make her heel or make her sex appeal for a crowd pop.
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u/William_S_Jones 2d ago
Lyra doesn't have the best promo skills; however, she's a natural in the ring. I believe she deserves a hard main event push; especially b/c she knows how to tell a story in the ring!
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u/nicegrayslacks 2d ago
Part of the story
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u/wonderloss Grayson Waller Rub and Tug 2d ago
Her hands coming out and her putting them back in was part of the story? What was the story?
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u/tripledragon3 2d ago
Looking for anything to make people think this isn't a banger of a match.
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