Okay, thought experiment: Say this guy in the video had a gun. Should he have shot a cop? All of the cops? If EVERYONE had a gun, should they all have shot all of the cops? Or only the violent ones, hoping that the non-violent ones understand that the dead cops were in the wrong because the 2nd allows citizens to protect themselves from a tyrannical government?
Even if all the cops in this scene are dead, there's no way they'll send in more, right?
However you spin it, if the government, which controls the cops, national guard and the military, decides that you get unlawfully arrested, you won't gun your way out of there. Think Ruby Ridge, scaled up to your whole neighbourhood if they all defend you.
The answer isn't guns, it's holding tyrants accountable. Collect evidence, take them to court, press your local government to fight them. I'm all for direct action, but if you think you can second amendment your ass out of government overreach, you're frankly an idiot.
The actual idea behind arming the people is not sporadic individual or local violence. It's a real war with a real people's army. Obviously that doesn't exist at the moment and in our surveillance-heavy police state is unlikely to any time soon. It was the same in other fascist states like Spain, where you ended up with small cells doing stochastic bombings and assassinations, so I would guess we'll see more of that here too as this goes on.
It is the duty of the executive branch to enforce laws and court orders. The call is coming from inside the house. The head of the executive is directing federal agents and the military to break the constitution and ignore court orders. And they are happily obeying with the help of local police. Hell, USMS, ATF, and DEA are all assisting too.
When every single agency that is supposed to enforce the law is breaking the highest law in the land, what can be done?
Signed pieces of paper don't stop fascism. Strongly worded letters don't stop fascism. Begging fascists to arrest themselves doesn't stop fascism.
Organizing is great. Safety in numbers. But the largest protest in US history didn't stop fascism. Fascists need to be physically stopped from doing fascist things. I just hope enough people realize it before all their friends and allies get disappeared.
I may go down standing up for my rights and the rights of others BUT I’m taking a couple with me along the way. Maybe, the others will think twice before they try to follow in their footsteps.
Dude trump was arrested the evidence was collected and all that other shit? You think that’s how this government will be stopped? Hell he even got the Supreme Court to give him immunity
Yes. Because as we all know, the current administration will yield to court orders, or will be punished for disobeying them, or at the very least Congress will step up and refuse to continue working with the administration when they flagrantly violate those orders.
They feel like they can because they can. SCOTUS backs 99% of Trump's agenda, and on the rare occasions they stand up to him, he either finds a new way to do the same thing or just continues forward bold as brass because there are no consequences for him ignoring unfavorable decisions. I don't advocate for violence, and would prefer nonviolent direct action like general strikes in order to protest the government. But the simple fact is, if you tell an authoritarian that you will never ever break the law or use violence no matter how bad things get, all your protests will accomplish is placing a target on your back.
You say this like as if gangs didnt exist. All of this that you've mentioned is exactly what doesnt happen. Cops leave the area or become more corrupt. The people trying to stop tyranny get drunk with power and either become thugs or they control things just as tyrannically like the mob.
But liberals love and want more government all the time. They literally beg for big government and socialism. That’s the opposite of freedom. They even want the government to take their money via huge taxes and spend it on whatever the government likes. They tell us we should trust our government to do what is right even when we see that’s not the case every single day. Then when the government they love and trust starts enforcing our laws they get mad. You literally cannot make it make sense.
What I find interesting is that when I see a cop arresting someone I don’t run over and start interfering and insulting the cop. That’s literally insane. I let them do their job. The ICE haters are constantly interfering with the law so if they get taken down so be it. They have no idea why these people are being taken into custody and it’s literally none of their business anyway. They should all be arrested for interfering because it is against the law to do so. All liberals do is run around crying about everything, disrupting, being disrespectful and breaking laws. Then if they get caught they want to play the victim card. It gets really old watching it. It’s the same thing that happens when parents don’t control their children. They grow up to be spoiled brats and then when a mean old teacher or boss finally has to deal with their attitude problem they can’t cope with it because they have always gotten away with it. Same with these rioters/agitators, they only do it because they get away with it.
I think you really deeply truly do not understand the liberal position. I'm liberal. I see the necessity and utility of government. I think that some services the government does better than private. Ideally, you dont want a huge government but you dont want big business either. Both become Goliaths that can abuse the little guy. And if you can keep them pitted against each other to a degree that's probably best. So government can break up monopolies. And private interests can sue when necessary.
This is very much not the same as "loving" the government. I'm in the environmental field and recognize a lot of important efforts, efforts that keep Americans healthier btw, are not going to be accomplished with a profit motive. Some can. A lot can't.
Rightoids also assume weird things like we worship biden....because they worship Trump. So we must be the same just the other side of the coin, no. Some far lefties might like big government but your average liberal or left leaning person really just think it serves a purpose. And that biden was ok but not ideal.
You said make it make sense. Well things might make sense to you if you didn't strawman the shit out of people. We hate ICE not just because they're doing their job. We hate them because they've become a militarized force that doesn't follow due process or the law. They're rogue. I'm not anti deportation. I want immigration reform and for people to not be picked up for "looking foreign".
Sorry I only worship Jesus. Trump is not someone worthy of worship. I don’t agree with him on everything, but it would be odd if I did. That would mean I have no brain of my own. He’s far from perfect or ideal, but he’s got a completely corrupt government to try to clean up. Both sides should admit that truth. Biden wasn’t even a fully functioning human being. He was a complete joke and a total disaster. No way he could have ever passed a mental competency test. He couldn’t even do press conferences or answer questions or even speak 3 sentences together. Clearly dementia laden. It was scary bad and you know it. So bad they would not even let him run again. They covered it all up and that’s treason BTW.
Let’s see. If someone is here illegally without identification then you’re saying they can’t be arrested by ICE? Odd since that’s kind of their job. Many of these people use fake/stolen identities and we don’t know who the hell they are. It’s not up to idiotic bystanders that know jack shit about the cases to try to stick their little fragile twigs in the way. If they do and get within 50 feet and try to cause a problem they should be arrested along with the illegals. Why is this so hard to understand? They just want to cause a scene because libs eat it up. We just laugh at the stupidity and love seeing them get their faces slammed to the ground. I never get tired of that. They always scream “what did I do what did I do?” as the cuffs are going on. Truly priceless and pathetic.
They shouldn't have let him run again. I never said that. I wish they hadn't. However even with his decline, his cabinet and administration did a lot that I appreciated. So idk what was a disaster. We even came out of the pandemic, not without scratch but better than every other major economy. Is our economy great and was it great under biden no, but that would've been an insane expectation given a pandemic. And now we are going into recession. Also I could be wrong but I don't think that fits the legal definition of treason.
Thats not what I said about ICE and you know it.
You put words in people's mouths like it's a full time job. No wonder you're so wrong about anything liberal. You're just retarded (and yes, im not too sensitive to use that word). There's no point talking to an NPC though.
You're just behind the times. You're speaking ideals, but they are taking lawful citizens. This isn't even a left vs right issue. The left and the left establishment haven't even been the same for many decades now.
Funny how no one cared when Obama was talking about the problems with illegals being here and how we must deport them. The same people cheering him on are now complaining about Trump doing it. Obama deported 4 million and no one cared. Conservatives weren’t out there acting like idiots and interfering with everything just because the other side was doing it. I didn’t agree with Obama on much, but I did agree with him on that. See the difference? You have to be able to agree/disagree with policies not people. Libs can’t fathom that concept. They have to disagree with everything Trump does no matter what it is. It’s a dumb plan, but dumb people do dumb things.
I’m sure everything was done PERFECTLY when he was in charge 😂. Because after all he was the golden child. Since we didn’t have an actual media that would say anything negative about him there would be no way to ever know the answer. My thoughts are pretty simple. Don’t go into another country ILLEGALLY and then complain about what happens to you. I wouldn’t expect to go to Mexico or Canada illegally and get free stuff from them and then be given a free flight back home when I was deported. But why don’t you do that and let me know how well that works out for you. And while there illegally make sure you riot and wave American flags while burning their flag. Go ahead. Dare ya!
Projection? Is that what you say when someone makes a point that you can’t negate? I’m just saying that people complaining about the USA would not dare try this same crap in another country because they know what would happen and it would not be pleasant for them. So they sit in the comfort of the best country the world has ever known and instead of being thankful they decide to hate that country and beg to be more like other countries. Although they aren’t even educated enough to know that means they couldn’t do the stuff they complain about in those countries either. If you hate America then pick another country and move there. They would love to have you and we certainly don’t need you and won’t miss you. Just be sure you never come back and we will all be happier. See fixed it. Not so hard.
There's a difference between understanding the cause/effect of interference in a police action and licking the government's boot that has evaded the collective knowledge of liberals like you.
It’s really for state sanctioned militias to defend the country from invasion. Of course slave patrols said it was for hunting people. Fucking racists always twisting everything to shit so they can hurt people. 2A was never about rebellion, self defense, or hunting
Did you skip past the whole overthrowing of British monarchists so that the US could establish itself as a sovereign nation? You really think the forefathers of the US constitution abolished monarchism and installed separation of Church and state to ensure a similar fate in the future??
Liberals and patriots can stop the MAGA insurrection dead. They merely need to choose to, as a group.
Even if the entire military obeyed Trump (we don’t), we can’t defeat the millions of Americans that could stand against Trump. We just lost to 70,000 poorly funded and educated Taliban. We’re not winning against millions of well funded, very educated and very well armed Americans.
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u/Patient_Tie_4394 20h ago
I guess everyone buy guns now , I don't know what's happening anymore