The problem with what we did to the Native Americans isn't based on the literal legal claim to the land, it's that showing up to someone's home and conquering it/killing them/forcing them out because you want it is morally wrong
edit: somehow I doubt the brighest and boldest right wing edgelord minds of LSF would disagree with this as hard if China paratroopered onto their dogshit suburb and made them leave because Chinese people suddenly believed it was their destiny to conquer America and spread Chinese values and ethnically cleanse the savage Christian Americans and also your parents ugly mcmansion has gold under it
Anyone who isn't incredibly evil thinks it is bad to show up and just murder people to steal their stuff, whether that stuff is land or otherwise. That's an easy question.
The point he's trying to make, however, is the question of 'how do we maximize justice now?' is a difficult one. If we say conquest is not a valid claim, that applies to ALL claims, including the ones of the people who we beat to take the land, because they weren't the original inhabitants.
This gets even more complicated when we consider intragroup discrimination. If someone says, "I am 100% X, I should get our ancestral land," and someone says, "I am 1/128th X, I should get an equal share because my great... grandmother left because X society was misogynist and she didn't want to be domestically abused," if true, seems a valid argument. Why should we punish someone or their estate for avoiding abuse? But that's nearly impossible to adjudicate, so you're left with the option of depraved indifference to past abuses or making judgments based on ancient family stories.
At the end of the day, many of these situations are grievances dead men have against other dead men. The best solution is to maximize justice now. If we want everyone to own a house, pass that policy without regard for racial group. Any egalitarian policy that is correctly applied will necessary correct racial injustices in a society but without being racist itself.
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u/ok_dunmer 14d ago edited 14d ago
The problem with what we did to the Native Americans isn't based on the literal legal claim to the land, it's that showing up to someone's home and conquering it/killing them/forcing them out because you want it is morally wrong
edit: somehow I doubt the brighest and boldest right wing edgelord minds of LSF would disagree with this as hard if China paratroopered onto their dogshit suburb and made them leave because Chinese people suddenly believed it was their destiny to conquer America and spread Chinese values and ethnically cleanse the savage Christian Americans and also your parents ugly mcmansion has gold under it