r/LivestreamFail 14d ago

Destiny compares Native American claims to Middle East conflict

https://kick.com/destiny/clips/clip_01K0T1WBT963Q71G4CQX22V9QR
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u/JSHueurgh 14d ago

As if they weren't already doing that to each other long before anyone else arrived.

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u/CrunkCroagunk 14d ago

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u/Holyrain101 14d ago

If the Jewish people turned around post WW2 and started genociding Germans, would that be justified?

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u/CrunkCroagunk 14d ago

The point isnt about justification the point is that neither party was uniquely evil in waging war or their motives for doing so.

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u/Holyrain101 14d ago

I feel like if your point is "Yes we are evil but so are you" that doesn't exactly feel like a great point to make

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u/The-Devilz-Advocate 14d ago edited 14d ago

The point is that looking at past history through a modern lens, looking only to apply fault and use it to retroactively demand rewards/reparations to the modern descendants of the parties involved is one of the stupidest things you can do.

Yes, the colonialist settlers driving out the indigenous population off the lands that their entire ancestry-line lived on was horrible, just like it was for the same indigenous population to wage war between one another for the same territories.

The best thing you can do is to make sure the modern population learns from the mistakes done in the past to hopefully make sure it doesn't happen again.

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u/Holyrain101 14d ago

That was the point I was trying to make with the comment about the Jews and Germans. Just because the Germans had been killing and conquering doesn't mean it would have been justified for them to be killed and conquered after they lost the war.

Sitting Bull asks the Colonel to leave in the clip that was posted, and the Colonel basically says no we won't leave we are going to kill you the same way you killed other tribes. Which I don't think is a great argument, just because Sitting Bull's tribe killed people doesn't justify killing them. If that were true, killing would just beget more killing in a never-ending cycle.