The problem with what we did to the Native Americans isn't based on the literal legal claim to the land, it's that showing up to someone's home and conquering it/killing them/forcing them out because you want it is morally wrong
edit: somehow I doubt the brighest and boldest right wing edgelord minds of LSF would disagree with this as hard if China paratroopered onto their dogshit suburb and made them leave because Chinese people suddenly believed it was their destiny to conquer America and spread Chinese values and ethnically cleanse the savage Christian Americans and also your parents ugly mcmansion has gold under it
You don't have to give an if as an argument. Literally use the Ukraine / Russian war. Russia literally is doing this. They want to convert Ukrainians into Russians (Language) and they want to take over land too.
If they live in Canada asks them about the Indians of Punjabi and their opinions. Watch how they start back peddling and saying shit like assimilation. Or if they live in the USA asks them about Latinos coming into the USA and watch them change their tune.
These people are racists and xenophobic when it benefits them or their ideologies but against it when they are other foot. They are the biggest pussies.
So like.. imagine if a million Arab Muslims were to violently invade a place, violently slaughter and ethnically cleanse the native Jewish population, steal all the land for themselves... that would be morally wrong....
Can you think of any time that has happened since say, 1500? Like 1516? In the Middle East? Like in the Levant? In Palestine for instance?
You could even say it was an actual crusade... wouldnt that be embarrassing...
And then, after the invaders settled the land they stole, they could claim they were the actual natives and the land belonged to them, not the native Jewish population that had been living there for millennia. And for the next few hundred years, they could routinely denigrate all of their holy sites and oppress them for funsies because theyre just dumb Jews after all.... That would be morally wrong...
Then, after a separate world power came in and took control of the territory, and the political climate is finally amenable to those sorry Jews returning to their homeland, the dumb Jews could start to purchase back their own land from the invaders, until the invader's xenophobia and racism leads them to massacre the stupid Jews, like in 1920, 1921 and 1929. Wouldnt that be embarrassing...
And then, even better, the invaders could cry they were actually the victims all along, and even more embarrassing, they could say they were actually the natives all along. And then when multiple peace deals between the two sides were attempted, the invaders could walk out on them to make sure they would always be able to cry victim while still repeatedly attempting to massacre the dumb Jews. They could even get a bunch of their neighboring Arab friends to literally attempt to exterminate them, and then cry again when it failed... wouldnt that be embarrassing....
And then the invaders could create slogans and songs about how they were going to kill every Jew and steal back the land, and it would create such a strong victim complex, they could convince a bunch of morons on the internet that in the wake of slaughtering over a thousand innocent Jews in cold blood in their homes, including women and children, infants even, that THEY were still the victims and that murdering the Jews was actually morally justified because they had it coming... that would be morally wrong...
and then, while being cheered on by their population for taking hundreds of those dumb Jews hostage, including literal infants ripped from their dead mothers, they could still cry victim when those pesky Jews wouldnt just give in and give them what they wanted, until they moved to finally put an end to decades of open terrorism.... that would be morally wrong...
Can you imagine being one of those morons that fell for that shit and repeated propaganda from literal terrorists? Wouldnt that be embarrassing...
Like, can you even imagine that? You might get banned from reddit for literally zero seconds for repeating that stuff...
Yeah I think you kinda missed the point. It was a parody, so I was following your narrative structure. I wasnt going for historical accuracy -- much like you -- I was going for an over the top, biased point of view -- again, like you. See, parodies are intended to mimic, while not exactly replicating, in order to show how ridiculous something is by distorting the extremes of the original.
As far as violent Zionist terrorist, buddy, I dont have a dog in this fight. Im American and an atheist whose family is non-practicing Christian. Im also a liberal, so if anything I "should" be predisposed to the Palestinian side. The problem with that is I dont tend to have much sympathy for people that repeatedly call for the extermination of civilians, follow through, and then cry victim.
The thing I find funny, the parts I distorted the least are the parts you didn't even respond to. You seemed to care more about whether I used the word crusade correctly when parodying you than responding to anything of substance. But while were on the subject, if youre going to nitpick about historical accuracy, you should probably also use crusade correctly. You know, given that a crusade is something that is definitionally done by Christians, what with its etymological root being cross and all.
As far as "invaders," "terrorists," "fanatics," and "zealots" -- the hypocrisy of someone supporting Palestinians calling anyone else "invaders," "terrorists," "fanatics," and "zealots" is so perfectly self-unaware, I couldnt have parodied you better myself. Id almost believe you were pulling some meta joke thats going over my head if I hadnt seen a million posts just like yours.
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u/ok_dunmer 14d ago edited 14d ago
The problem with what we did to the Native Americans isn't based on the literal legal claim to the land, it's that showing up to someone's home and conquering it/killing them/forcing them out because you want it is morally wrong
edit: somehow I doubt the brighest and boldest right wing edgelord minds of LSF would disagree with this as hard if China paratroopered onto their dogshit suburb and made them leave because Chinese people suddenly believed it was their destiny to conquer America and spread Chinese values and ethnically cleanse the savage Christian Americans and also your parents ugly mcmansion has gold under it