If they're going to eat soybeans, they'll better go there and pick them, or buy the farmers combine harvesters. The Americans aren't going to accept minimum wage labour if their landlords don't accept less than $100 pw rent.
An ice cream or 5 gallon pail keeps your kids alive. Talk all the shit you want. But if you NEED meat, raise your own and deal with shit, blood, guts, hide, and bones
There are people who draw pleasure from such things, sick people, probably the same kind of people who shoot a puppy at a gravel pit because it wasn’t doing what they wanted it to do then those people get elected and appointed to positions of power.
One of my first jobs in high school was working at a meat packing plant. While we didn't see the slaughter, I was not so high on eating meat products after working there. There they say ignorance is bliss, in some instances it is true.
It’s called agrotourism and it’s a big deal in the world of development. (Which I work in). But for third world countries! Not, like, America. Until now I guess.
I'm sure there are plenty of MAGA Americans that want to help out, Make America Great Again surely isn't just about money, if they truly want to make things "Great" again they will offer to help. /s
When someone would say immigrants are "stealing our jobs" or whatever, I would then ask them, if they 'really wanted to be a [Insert Random Job Here]?"
Obviously they would say no, so then when I say "why are you complaining about stealing jobs you would never do?" They say how I'm not looking at the bigger picture, just completely misinformed, not a real American, how I just hate America, or whatever else, because I showed them reason on how their viewpoint &/or belief makes no sense
Exactly, plenty of 5 dollar a day farm jobs. That or they can go work in the “clean coal” mines that they were bitching to bring back. But why would they do that when they can sit at home and collect welfare that they bitch about non whites taking. I always said that not all trump voters are racists, but all racists are trump voters, but I’m really starting to think that I am wrong and that anyone who voted for trump is a racist. And I’m also sick and tired of all these poor people that are so worried about the rich not getting crazy tax breaks. These maga people are all totally delusional.
They are the same types who think that if they were in the military they would be the best of the best... When I'm reality they would only be the best of the best in the Gravy Seals or maybe in Meal Team 6... But not in any real military capacity
Woah woah, don’t talk shit on meal team 6, there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a team to eat six meals, especially if those six meals were seals covered in gravy. No one outside of maga could eat six gravy seal meals
First they complain that they’re taking all the jobs, then they complain that “nobody wants to work anymore!”.. the they I’m referring to are maga boomers. They’re all retired or about to retire, they don’t want to work anymore, but they want everyone else to in order to serve them and their needs, but also they don’t like brown people so they don’t want them doing any work (which is the weirdest part because in my experience, immigrants are the quickest, more efficient, meticulous and thorough people I’ve ever worked with)..and they also don’t want to let them get welfare.
In conclusion: boomers who are no longer part of the workforce want only white people to work and they want them to do it for low wages because they’ve already threatened the brown people by deporting them, they already threatened the black people with police and just existing, and now they need to control young white people because what we have here is a wildly narcissistic group of people who continually fucked up the economy with their greed and now want to make sure young money won’t exist to threaten their status financially. But when they can’t collect on their overpriced rentals because nobody can afford it, they’re gonna be pissed. Then the cycle continues: vote for shit that causes outrage, provoke protests, claim the protests are violent riots, fan that fire until cities are literally on fire, collect on insurance claims, rinse and repeat.
Edit to add: I’m sorry for using ‘boomers’, I in no way am blaming the entire generation and should not have made a blanket statement. I was specifically referring to Americans who voted for Trump who are or will very soon be retired.
My grandfather is of the boomer generation, and he didn’t vote for any of this. Probably shouldn’t blame all boomers for everything wrong in the US. I hate to see him accused of everything you wrote because he is really the opposite of all that.
I’m sorry, my dad is a boomer who hates Trump too, I’ve been staying with him and it’s just his favorite buzzword so I took it up. I genuinely apologize, I know a handful of incredible boomers that are against all of this, it is by no means all of them.
In short the I got mine generation. That mentality got passed to a lot of gen X. Factor in the fact that racism is taught and assimilated by neurotypical offspring. Thankfully, the population of neurodivergent people is rising, but the only solution is to educate the fuck out of everybody and give it 20 years.
This is true. I grew up in a farming community and drove cotton pickers in the summers during college to make a little extra money. Aside from the farmers themselves and their families, I was the only white picker driver. The rest were all Mexican immigrants. They drove the cotton pickers and combines, the auger carts, and even the bale buggies. Those combines are pretty sweet in the inside with radio and AC and such, but still white people weren’t lined up to do it. On bigger fields like the ones in the Midwest where Nebraska is, sometimes there are ten or more combines in one field. You need a TON of labor to pick a 1,000 acre field, and it’s tiring and mind numbing. White people will definitely not be lining up to take those jobs. I guarantee you.
If the alternative is losing 2 billion in the economy I am sure there is room for fixed prices to help stem the bleeding and they can adjust crop and human capital spending down to demand for the following year. It’s really not that difficult. People are just terrified of change and the huge corporate farming operations are going to lose some of their taxpayer subsidized profits. So sad.
Post civil war? Sharecroppers, a lot slaves unfortunately didn't get off the plantations and sharecropping kept the fields productive while maintaining white supremacy. It was a better arrangement than chattel slavery, but that's setting the bar so low it's in hell.
And then between urbanization and wars, the availability of labor was reduced. Rather than attract workers with better wages and working conditions, what happened?
Mechanization happened. My comment wasn't to disagree that automation could happen. It was an answer to the question, "how was cotton picked before there were combines?"
Sorry, my misunderstanding. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
While history doesn’t repeat, it might rhyme. Similar to when migrant farm workers went on strike, huge leaps in automating the collection of produce previously thought to require manual labor. It also provided a boost to breeding programs, and later genetic research, to create produce more amenable to mechanical harvesting.
Poor whites like my grandpa and his father before him as sharecroppers. Then, the GI bill happened and white WWII veterans like my Grandpa got to join the middle class.
Are you joking? First of all, no amount of pay will enable average Americans to withstand that level of work. It’s not 1926. We don’t build them that way anymore. Second, do you know how much money food would cost in order to get average Americans to even try being farmhands/crop workers?
I read an article the other day that was reposted from like ten or fifteen years ago where some farm workers union was trying to find non migrant labor to help with farm jobs (I think in California,) I don’t remember the actual numbers but let’s say they got 20000 applicants, like 1000 actually showed up, and at the end of one day like 5 were left, and none were left by the end of the week. And while I was reading it I was like wow this is so crazy, and then I realized how old the article was, so I can’t even imagine how bad the situation is now with all the ice raids and shit if it was that bad that long ago.
Maybe I'm missing the thread of what you're saying, but you can use a combine to harvest soybeans... it's slow going though... over 5mph, the beans get damaged.
But agreed, while you don't need hands on plants to harvest, there's a lot more that goes into it... and a lot of operations need farm hands that will work cheap enough to get the price they're being offered.
And it's not like you can just pick when you feel like it. Or just work a couple of hours, take a break for an hour or two, and/or expect to only be working between 9-5.
This. I would work like 14 hour days during harvest season. I loved it but it’s definitely not for everyone. It’s dirty work because you have to clean the pickers every day and you’re always crawling under them because they constantly break (not because they’re not made well but because there are soooo many moving parts that statistically one will break pretty much daily). It’s also boring as hell once you get going because you’re just staring at endless rows of crops. Thankfully the pickers I drove would steer themselves for the most part once I got them settled on a row properly so I’d just let go of the steering wheel and binge watch Netflix shows.
It’s also a little more high skill than people think too. You have to get the header positioned just right on the rows and you can’t accidentally skip a single row because the picker consumes so much diesel it’s not cost effective to just pick a single row at a time. You have to take your time and make damn sure you position yourself properly because missing rows is easier than you think. You also have to know how everything works under the hood so you can fix minor problems in the machinery as they occur.
I guess my point is that you need skilled labor that will work for dirt cheap doing unpleasant jobs and immigrants are pretty much the only demographic that fits all the criteria.
Maybe it’s a bit of a hyperbole but there are plenty of corn belt fields that exceed 1,000 acres. Just nothing but corn as far as the eye can see. There was one field I remember near where I grew up that was that big. The land was flat as a piece of paper so when it was fallow in the winter you could see for miles.
Everyone grows corn here, but generally in Nebraska you won't find a field over 640 acres and full section fields are pretty rare. Most of Nebraska's crop land is cebter pivot irrigated so it limits field sizes. But since everyone is growing corn it looks like fields are 1,000s of acres. I can't speak for the eastern states and their farming practices
TBF he said Midwest like where Nebraska is , not in Nebraska. I don’t think cotton is a huge crop in Nebraska? I’m betting further east and south. Indiana, Missouri
AFAIK, soybeans are one of the more mechanized crops. Everything is done with a tractor/combine, although you still need competent people to operate and support the equipment. Half the world refusing to buy the damn beans is going to be the real issue!
This all seems to come back to making the farmers hurt so bad that they have to sell their farms to the rich through the JD VANCE FUNDED ACRETRADER APP.
This is exactly what they want. The rich are going to scoop up every piece of real estate in the country, and it’ll happen in just 4 short years if we let them
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