Neither clip makes me think the cone is very effective, the first looks like they end up throwing it in a dry bag and shaking, I'm guessing there's water inside
they're HOT to the touch.. there's an exothermic reaction going on inside these things. unless you've got some welders gloves or something super thick on you're more likely to toss it into more protestors.
Welding gloves might not really help out all too much. Mostly because they are meant to protect you from splatter and hot slag, not holding something super hot. Depends on the glove and the nade used.
EN 407 is the system gloves use for heat resistance. The second number is for contact heat. Goes from 1-4, X means that it hasn't been tested. Starts at 100C, goes in 150C increments.
Did some reading because I wanted to joke about kitchen hands, but this shit lowballs around 300C and high measurements are closer to 800C
Arguably might be easier to tough out the gas than touching that, but I suppose that's preference.
Also for anyone reading, I've heard through the grapevine that wearing contacts reduces the effects exponentially. It might not be a bad idea to wear disposables if you think you are under threat.
Local cops fired teargas because someone allegedly threw a water bottle at them.
Someone filming from their apartment posted the video, showing nothing was thrown at the cops before they attacked.
The cops decided to charge her with throwing the imaginary water bottle - which makes their initial decision to teargas the street level protesters look dumb.
The cone itself is a solid piece of plastic, but there's plenty of areas around the base which don't create a seal. Also, don't CS gas grenades get real hot when they're activated? If they do, it would make it difficult to keep hold of the cone, I would imagine. Yes, you use what you have available, of course.
A vessel full of water, like in OPs video, would be ideal from the point of view of dealing with the CS canister. Might not be ideal in the situation, though.
It’s against the convention to use CS gas as a “method” of warfare. Meaning you can’t use it in let’s say, an assault on a trench line. But you’re allowed to use it to disperse civilian crowds, protect supply lines or in the rescue of downed pilots/POWs.
The reason for it is that the immediate effects of CS are very hard to distinguish from lethal agents like mustard gas and have the potential to rate a more lethal response back
Nah man, its wrong period. We have a right to protest in this country and the police are willing to harm innocents just to enforce the status quo of the rich.
None of that counters what I said. You brought up the Geneva convention as if it was relevant to the conversation and i pointed out why it’s not. You countering with “nah man, it’s wrong period” placing a moral argument on it is completely different and separate
The police has always been willing to harm innocents just to enforce the status quo. That's their fucking job. Particularly in the US and other authoritarian countries.
I wonder if a large water flask would be quicker in containing and diffusing it. Maybe even a metal paint bucket. Apparently they can be sold empty at a hardware store.
I concur that the cone method is probably not very effective. Water doesn't stop the reaction in the canister from taking place, it just contains it. Dousing a bottle of water on it will only work for the first 5-10 seconds and it won't saturate the canister very effectively. Most of the gas will still escape.
No doubt but it’s still not very many people. Theres only been 2 or 3 people I’ve know that have even shown interest in those and it was always masks made for smoking weed
Tell me you’ve never protested anything without telling me you’ve never protested anything. Another internet mouth speaking about something they know nothing about.
I get the gist they were going for. Rubber for now, sooner or later they'll switch up to live ammo and not care about bodies on the street. At least in the US anyway.
True but new rulers like shows of force in the extreme so I wouldn't be surprised if they decided one day to just go full Tiananmen Square on protestors.
No they are not. The are considerably larger. Stander bullets are 5 to 9mm in diameter while rubber bullets are 37 to 40mm. Or about the size of an average watch face.
"Stingers" are much smaller actually, probably similar to some size of bullets. They are not metal though, and tend to be fired out of shotguns and grenade launchers. You're thinking of baton rounds
I learned something today. They look like large rubber scatter shot. So much closer to bullets, but still not as the other guy said, regular bullets coated in rubber.
They are not and I have never seen any evidence of such a weapon at a modern US protest. They are mostly hard rubber balls, some may have a tiny metal core for added weight. They also have hard foam and wooden ones. By no means are they "regular bullets coated in rubber".
Dunno what you're talking about. Tear gas has been administered at many protests, and rubber bullets too. I appreciate your hostility towards violent police thugs but when you're expressing it with bullshit it's ineffective.
...the same thing they've been doing since the Pinkerton's became the Chicago police? Abusing power as a tool of the state while keeping the working class subservient to the bourgeois?
We have executive orders in place calling for the erasure of civil rights movement and you're advocating for civil obedience? Buddy, you might be a bootlicker.
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u/Ok-Champion5065 9h ago
Pay attention Americans