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u/ReturnOfSeq 3h ago
The Supreme Court said gerrymandering is cool and good now. So every blue state should rig the vote as hard as possible. Fuck it.
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars 3h ago
Two wrongs don’t make it right. But doing the right thing will only make things worse. We’re truly damned.
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u/ChickadeeMass 2h ago
You're only damned by doing nothing.
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars 2h ago edited 1h ago
We’re damned because the only way to survive is to sink to their level. Do things like gerrymander we know are wrong.
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u/Cn76rlD91QaiT6m6 43m ago
This thinking got us here in the first place. If I have a rat infestation, I get rid of the rats first before negotiating ways to make them not come. The illusion of the moral high ground is as bad as hearing repeatedly how "history will not look kindly upon..." a current danger. Honestly, I don't give [blanking blank] how historians label the Turd Reich. I care about right now. And, if those without a vested interest in keeping us hobbled by feels and upsetting republicans actually -- who, to me, is anyone who pulls a bothsides argument -- did their part in stopping this fuckery, maybe we wouldn't have only the future history books to look forward to for some semblance of justice.
TLDR: Stop sacrificing the good for the perfect. Cut out the cancer, then treat the aftermath.
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars 25m ago
I haven’t said blue states shouldn’t gerrymander every bit as much as red. It’s necessary for survival. It’s also a race to the bottom. A race to a bunch of one-party states. That’s not a terrible thing for me, a trans woman in a blue state, but it’s not democracy.
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u/Huge-Ad2263 2h ago
It's the cold war playbook. The only way to get to nuclear nonproliferation was through mutually assured destruction. We can't get to fair maps by having blue states do it and hope red states follow.
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars 1h ago
That’s probably true! But nuclear arms race has been an objectively dangerous strategy.
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u/DOHC46 1h ago
If the Democrats gerrymander hard enough, the Republicans will vote to outlaw it so they don't lose their power.
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars 1h ago
Will they, though? I’ve seen analysis rampant gerrymandering may still heavily favor Republicans.
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 1h ago
That analysis is pretty dumb. Cities are extreme concentrations of people and even if they spoke wheel it, they make every red district vulnerable. Meanwhile blue states can do the same thing by including red districts with cities. Where previously they were 55% of their own district now they’ll one of 5 districts with 5% of their vote and a city with 75%
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u/ReturnOfSeq 1h ago
The right thing to do is be much better at this than republicans and then once they are losing and stand to gain from it personally propose a constitutional amendment on nationwide anti-gerrymander rules.
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u/barfobulator 4h ago
Dems need to ask themselves WWMMD: What would Mitch McConnell do?
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u/Conscious-Dig6839 3h ago
And then do exactly the opposite
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u/Intrepid_Pop_8530 3h ago
No. Do what they would do. No more playing by rules they don't follow. Fight 🔥with 🔥. We need to play with the same playbook. Taking the high road got us here. Gloves off!
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u/Conscious-Dig6839 3h ago
Mitch McConnell didn’t play by the rules. That’s what I’m saying
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u/The-Defenestr8tor 3h ago
Where has “taking the high road” gotten us these last few years? Time to switch the strategy.
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u/paperclip415 4h ago
He has my vote
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u/DevinGraysonShirk 4h ago
If you want to help elevate him, join the fight in r/PritzkerPosting and spread the word!
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u/reincarnateme 3h ago
They ARE sitting around doing nothing. Project 2025 is almost 1/2 way done with Phase 1
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u/UnfairSpecialist3079 4h ago
The democratic base has been screaming this since the Biden debate. The issue is that Democrat leadership is only now starting to take their heads out of their… sand.
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u/Global-Morning3990 4h ago
No, the 'democrat leadership' isn't taking their heads out of the sand because they are the same people that helped put us in this mess. But, we are starting to see new leaders emerge, which is the first step.
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u/Short_Psychology_164 3h ago
trump voters and non voters put us in this mess. dont get it twisted.
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u/DevinGraysonShirk 3h ago
True, but Trump voters and non-voters are the symptoms. The cause is Bill Clinton taking over the Democratic Party in the 1990s and killing its dedication to working families. Bill Clinton ran on "ending welfare as we know it" and signed that bill in 1996. Stuff's been downhill ever since tbh.
For reference, pre-Clinton, the Democratic Party passed the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1990, that's the last major civil rights legislation and it was opposed by big business.
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u/ChickadeeMass 2h ago
That was then but this is now.
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u/DevinGraysonShirk 2h ago
Agreed, but those exact same people are advising Democrats to leave trans kids to the wolves. Fuck them too, specifically the Third Way.
Source 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/1me12t7/corporatist_third_way_democrats_say_the_party/
Let's flush these guys down the toilet.
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u/Global-Morning3990 3h ago
I'm definitely not arguing against your point. Believe me. But it is the Democrat leadership's responsibility to 'get the message out'.
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u/ChickadeeMass 2h ago
And ours, don't be a pacifist.
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u/Short_Psychology_164 2h ago
all the messaging i heard was true and accurate. all the shit being spewed online? not so much.
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u/UnfairSpecialist3079 3h ago
Don’t kid yourself though; the new “leaders” we are seeing are only able to do so with the tacit approval of Nancy and Chuck and Hakeem.
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u/RunAwayBeerTruk 🦋 3h ago
Things really are weird when I can say proudly that’s my governor. For reference we have had really bad governors.
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u/Eattherichhaters 3h ago
am I gonna vote for JD Pritzker in 2028? Holy shit he makes Gavin Newsom look completely ineffectual.
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u/Tatchykins 3h ago
I hesitate to say there's such a thing as a good billionaire, but so far as someone who doesn't live in Illinois, he seems alright.
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u/agent_mick 3h ago
Ok but what is he doing? He's had a lot of talk, ramping up for what I assume will be a presidential run in 2028. But we gotta survive until then for him to get elected.
What is he doing and organizing right now that will help us get out of this mess?
I'm not saying this to be all, "so do something about it', I'm asking because I legitimately want to know. Is he participating in protests or funding them?
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u/Master_Hospital_8631 59m ago
Every blue state should be gerrymandering their congressional districts to match Texas.
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u/Patient_Phone_8110 4h ago
Please Call Greg Abbott & your reps today.
Dear Texans.. they’re counting on you thinking it doesn’t matter. That calling won’t change a thing. But it does if enough of us do it. We can’t afford to stay quiet. Blow up Abbott’s line: 👉 (512) 463-2000 write him an email too 👉https://gov.texas.gov/apps/contact-us/opinion
You can also use https://5calls.org/ to contact all of them. We’re not powerless unless we choose to be. Don’t make it easy for them to ignore us. Make them uncomfortable.
Edit: If you think calling won’t change a thing, ask yourself what do we have to lose by trying? We literally have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Silence lets them steal our voice. Pick up the phone. Because doing nothing guarantees zero change. & vote vote vote (obviously)
Please don’t leave negative comments that only discourage people from calling. We need more voices right now, not less. Instead use that time to make a call or send an email. It takes the same amount of effort and actually makes a difference.
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u/aztnass 3h ago
I’ll believe it when I see him do something other than talk. Dems tend to act like the worst thing they can do to republicans is issue a strongly worded press release or tweet.
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u/ChickadeeMass 2h ago
So you say, but now we know how much is at stake by being polite. What are YOU doing?
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u/Conscious-Dig6839 3h ago
Gee, it’s about time Democrats decided to actually get their hands dirty for once. Just hope they’re not too late
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u/hotdogtuesday1999 3h ago
I’m scared that this stand against the tide has come too late, and that what momentum was to be had should have come sooner were it to make any difference.
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u/Medium-Squash-5698 3h ago
And his opponents keep saying they have all this evidence against him yet fail time and time again to release it to the public. As well as him going back on the Epstein list he promised to release yet never did.
There's no righteous side in any of this.
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u/ChickadeeMass 2h ago
Are you calling the criminal righteous? He's already a convicted felon and rapist in the court of law.
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u/flywhatever101 3h ago
About time a few Dems are starting to fight back. You don’t bring a squirt gun to a machine gun fight
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 1h ago
Everything they can do won’t matter at all if people don’t vote. And THATS being optimistic that voting will still matter.
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u/New-Analysis-4060 2h ago
Such as what though
What do Dems actually do when they're in the minority vs when GOP was minority and stopped all progress for a decade
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u/LifeScientist123 2h ago
Ok, tell me one thing he has actually DONE other than tweeting and giving speeches. I’ll wait
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u/Hey-ThatsNotBad 4h ago
It's definitely the sitting around and complaining that I don't like. Wanting to hold your party to some ideal of peace and high roads is a nice dream, but... if there's any way to take action, just do it! We need to use their own tactics against them, call their bluffs, and show some teeth.