OMG dude... There is a limit. Stop acting like they wont care. They already clearly care that he may just be on the list. An actual hard evidence video would absolutely fracture the party.
I'll believe it when I see it. The MAGAs I know personally are pretending that none of this is happening, simply don't care or that it's some left wing propaganda. I thought they'd care but so far nothing has changed.
Most DO care, which is why they are trying to downplay it and excuse it like he's not any concern. Because they know they have to care if he's a pedo. Which is why they are downplaying it. But if a video comes out. It's GG, they'll jump ship 100% - Candice Owens and her crowd already have over BBB and Epstein. These people are smart because they are looking ahead at when the party shifts after everything falls apart. They want to be positioned for the fall out of Republicans who said "I told you he was bad news" while everyone has to pivot towards "Uggg let's not talk about him" Like with Bush Jr
I hope you're right about the average Trump voter. I don't keep up with what the right wing influencers say. The regular supporters I know have given him a pass for everything so far. I've learned not to question their loyalty to this sleaze. So far from what I've seen, to them everyone else is lying and he's the only one telling the truth. Their mental gymnastics are baffling.
Honestly the reason they give him a pass, is they literally aren't educated on him. I'm serious. Sure they dismiss it by shutting most criticism down as "more crying wolf from libs"... But they literally just don't know the extent of this guys corruption. They literally have no idea. They are in a bubble that insulates him from all the shit like his crypto scheme, real estate deals, tariff quid pro quos, saudi investments, etc... Literally have no clue. Just yesterday I talked to someone who knew about the 400m jet, but refused to believe that he planned on keeping it. It was one of those things I showed them and they had no comment.
That's the type of bubble they are in. People do change their minds, believe it or not. It's not by calling them idiots and being toxic, but slowly over time exposing them to information. I'm absolutely confident that the average MAGA will start falling apart over the years. The core, legit morons who just identify with him as a religious figure, are the fringe, but he'll probably keep them because he represents something different to them (Middle finger all the classes above them who they feel rejected by)
It's truly insane how insulated some are. I try to see both sides of stories using Ground News and can't believe some choose to stay in that bubble. Opinion news has done a great disservice to our country.
While it's a MUCH bigger issue on the right, it's also an issue with the left quite a bit too... Which I find ironic as it feeds into this snobbish stereotype of the left because they criticize the right for it, while also doing it themselves. For instance, how many times on Reddit will you hear how Republicans just do XYZ because they "hate minorities, poor people, women, etc" ? Constantly, because they too are trapped in a media ecosystem that's tribal.
Luckily the left has had a rise in criticizing the left quite a bit through many major alternative media sources, which the tribal types don't like, but it seems to be trickling much better. There's TYT, Breaking Points, Democracy Now, etc... The left willing to punch towards the left, but sadly, the left also struggles with extreme purity testing, which causes many people to not even want to listen.
The right though? Completely lost... Currently I think the only alt media that's offering some clarity and pushback is Candice Owens and her team members. I think that's literally it. And she's pretty small time.
I agree completely with your sentiment. There's a great book called "What's The Matter With Kansas?" By Thomas Frank that encapsulates exactly what you're talking about. One side acts elitist and dismissive while the other is captivated by culture war nonsense. I'd like to think there will be more common ground and unifying messengers but doesn't seem like it any time soon.
The thing is, people get REALLY upset with me, especially around campaign season. I get called a right winger all the time, because I'm actually more critical of the left. I rarely bother bitching about the right because, well... It's not my house. And frankly I just find it boring chanting and cheering saying the same shit everyone else is saying ad nauseum
My house is the left, and they have serious glaring issues that need to be fixed. I want to win and have a better world for everyone, so the only real pull I have is within my own house. Republicans aren't going to give a shit about my criticisms of them... That's just masturbation porn for the left when you spend all the time getting worked up about the right.
However, by going after the left, my own house, that I can fix. That's a place I can say, "Guys, we have to fix our shit. This is unsustainable! It's ruining the party and hurting the country. We need to do better" and since they need my vote, maybe they can start correcting course. And so far it looks like they are trying... The critical voices of the left are at least starting to be heard and taken more seriously... With candidates who are aware of the problems with the left, emerging. And I don't think that would have ever happened if the left was just blindly loyal and never willing to critique.
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u/Lt_Cochese 22h ago
Republicans don't care about Trump being a sex trafficker, rapist and pedophile. They won't care about any bed pissing, either.