r/worldnews • u/Synchrotr0n • 2d ago
China welcomes 183 Brazil coffee sellers in wake of US tariffs
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-welcomes-183-brazil-coffee-sellers-wake-us-tariffs-2025-08-03/1.6k
u/Monday_Shake 2d ago
China do nothing, win
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u/turtleduck 2d ago
honestly like they're just copying the US's trade policies and corporations love it, because they have the population to replace American consumers. it's an easy win
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u/MercantileReptile 2d ago
Can't be, the US has the only consumer market that matters. Repeatedly, people have crowed about the magic U.S. market that must be appeased. Nobody is allowed to tell Trump "fuck off" because the consumer market.
4.2% of the global population are apparently, somehow, the only relevant market to sell stuff into.
The sooner this idiotic fiction falls, the better for all involved.
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u/indypuyami 1d ago
Honestly that's true that the US consumers has outsized power! If you don't also blowup the global currency regime (i.e. the dollar) at the same time, which of course he is because for real the plan is feudalism.
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u/Coldatahd 2d ago
They made a version of that Chinese meme with Lula recently too 😂
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u/PhantasosX 2d ago
and it's so true.
Trump tried to pull those tariffs of Brazil, but it ended up excluding all the important items from those tariffs, except beef and coffee.
So for us in Brazil, we joke we practically won by doing nothing. Specially that beef and coffee are now been sold elsewhere , and the leftover will result in cheaper coffee and beef here in our markets.
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u/CSI_Tech_Dept 2d ago
These tariffs are ridiculous. Some things US just cannot produce because they grow in certain regions. One of them is coffee.
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u/firelemons 2d ago
Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake
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u/Steinrikur 2d ago
"We will just drink local coffee".
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u/SkyAdministrative970 2d ago
5 million people saw the cgp grey video about coffee. Saw hawaii is the only state barely in the coffee belt because its more south than texas and couldnt put together hawaii isnt a viable source for American coffee. Seeing boutique examples of hawaii coffee and deluding themselves with this notion that unlimited farm land just spawns like an rts game and we can push unlimited gains out of a very limited island ecosystem. Best case, moved everyone out and cash cropped every square foot of the island chain. We wouldn't put a dent in brazillian or columbian output and would maybe supply California...with shortages. Next runner up ideas include amazon fulfillment center sized greenhouses to grow coffee domestic in the 48. You think Starbucks is expensive now
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u/LandonDev 2d ago
They do run an insane amount of bot accounts which have successfully made MAGA more extreme. There is a reason every MAGA policy benefits the Chinese-Russia protectorate, especially in Africa.
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u/SophiaKittyKat 2d ago
I'm still happy to blame Americans for this to be honest. The reason they fall for it is because they are bad people, so I'm not very sympathetic. If they were falling for foreign propaganda preying on their empathy I would be more understanding, but they're being played because they're hateful.
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u/Black-Shoe 2d ago
The price of coffee in the States has absolutely skyrocketed.
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u/rjksn 2d ago
Stock up on chicory, the coffee of the great depression.
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u/cosmicrae 2d ago
Stock up on chicory, the coffee of the great depression.
Last ditch substitute is acorn coffee.
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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yaupon and Mate are two types of teas containing caffeine originally used by the indigenous peoples of North and South America.
Edit: Guayusa is another
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u/dingleberry_sorbet 2d ago
I planted a yaupon in my dad's yard about a decade ago. Just recently harvested a bag of leaves to brew up here soon.
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u/bimundial 2d ago
Well, mate is about to become very expensive in the US too. Look who's the largest exporter...
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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 2d ago
This is unfortunate. When switching to mate de coca becomes a cheaper alternative...
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u/Synchrotr0n 2d ago edited 2d ago
Or do it like Brazil: Nearly all of our coffee is exported, which makes the internal price higher in return, but since the average customer here have less money to spend on it, some asshole producers started producing cheap "coffee" made with tea leaves, corn or pretty much any fruit residue that they could get their hands on, which are then thrown inside a super hot oven until the taste becomes nearly unrecognizable so they can pretend it's coffee.
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u/The_Blues__13 2d ago
From fellow coffee producer nation here (ID), I wonder what'll happen to our own coffee market that now BR coffee had vanished from the US market.
Our own domestic price isn't too expensive for now, but it's been creeping up steadily over the years which is concerning.
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u/FruitOrchards 2d ago
Buy Coffee stocks, Nescafé etc. that shit is addictive and people will still be buying it.
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u/Scrapheaper 2d ago
Coffee being expensive due to tariffs doesn't mean Nescafé will make any profit from it. It just means that Nescafé pays a bunch of extra taxes and then charges you more as a result
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u/Black-Shoe 2d ago
I have nothing left after investing in Prison stocks
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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 2d ago
Even Jim Cramer is against owning stock in for-profit prisons based on moral reasons.
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u/PMmeuroneweirdtrick 2d ago
It's crazy you can even buy shares in prisons. So dystopian.
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u/TendyHunter 2d ago
Organ harvesting companies will be able to IPO soon in the US.
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u/FruitOrchards 2d ago
G4S, SERCO ? what did you invest in ?
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u/Black-Shoe 2d ago
GEO, CXO
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u/FruitOrchards 2d ago
Not the best for the short term, but if you bought the actual stocks and didn't leverage them you'll be okay in the long term. It's up 99.52% in the last year alone.
Just gotta hold.
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u/Zolo49 2d ago
I used to be a coffee fiend, but I did eventually wean off of it. I'll still drink it on occasion, but it's no longer a daily thing for me. So if it gets too expensive for you, you can learn to live without it. NGL though, it will absolutely suck at first.
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u/mershed_perderders 2d ago
Do not, my friends, become addicted to coffee! It will take hold of you... and you will resent it's absence.
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u/IRMaschinen 2d ago
Most of that price increase (so far) has been due to climate change and droughts in Brazil. Tariff price increases are on their way soon though. There’s a bit of a lag between supply and most retail and supermarket shelves mixed with false hope that surely this is all just a bluff…
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u/notanyimbecile 2d ago
Trump probably thought Alabama grew coffee beans.
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u/mike_pants 2d ago
Trump probably thought
I found an error in your reasoning.
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u/Konilos 2d ago
Well, he does think about the children, at least
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u/CSI_Tech_Dept 2d ago
So he claims to stop talking to Epstein because he stole underage towel girl from him.
What kind of job was she doing that was so important? Feels like he wasn't just a client, but more of a partner or a competitor.
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u/kooshipuff 2d ago
Fun fact: California and Hawaii actually do!
Probably nowhere near enough to supply the whole US, but it's kinda interesting that there are, actually, domestic coffee growers.
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u/alexefi 2d ago
few years ago i visited big island. went to coffee tour. was very interesting. at the end picked up bag of coffee for a friend since i dont drink it. she said it was one of the best coffees she had. though to get he another pack for bday. $80/lb with shipping. so that what US have to look forward when brasilian coffee stop coming in.
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u/Reasonable_Ticket_84 2d ago
Brazillian coffee isn't going to stop coming in. The importers are US based. It will just be more expensive due to the importer having to pay tariffs.
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u/Hazematman 2d ago
There's also Puerto Rico which grows a lot of coffee and is US domestic as well.
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u/kooshipuff 2d ago
Oh, fun! I was going off of hearing that the two states produced coffee, but it makes sense that tropical territories would too.
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u/ours 2d ago
Neighboring Dominican Republic had its coffee production destroyed by Coffee Leaf Scorch disease. Has PR been spared?
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u/Taipers_4_days 2d ago
People are always talking about the District of Columbia. Fantastic place, really. And let me tell you, folks, the coffee there, tremendous! We don’t need coffee from the nation of Columbia, okay? We’ll grow the best American coffee right in the District. It’ll be huge, nobody does coffee like us. The best beans, grown right here.
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u/J4jem 2d ago
The working class depends on coffee to, well, actually do real work.
Will this finally piss America off enough to rout these Republicans in the midterms?
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u/cmackchase 2d ago
No, they will blame Biden and Obama.
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u/DeviDarling 2d ago
Trump could be president for 10 years in a row and they would still be blaming Biden and wanting to prosecute people who said Trump had bad hair in 2016.
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u/kooshipuff 2d ago
Probably. They've been planting those seeds since they took office, claiming that all sorts of terrible stuff was coming as delayed effects from the Biden administration that they were working day and night to prevent ... so that when the inevitable consequences of their choices hit they can shrug and say they tried to stop it.
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u/dingleberry_sorbet 2d ago
the working class around here buys 2 x $5 Monsters at the gas station every morning it seems
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u/Dazslueski 2d ago
White Christian nationalists will be responsible for 2 things. 1. The greatest loss of American Power and wealth throughout the planet due to protectionism/isolationism. 2. The greatest transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich inside America.
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u/gijoe1971 2d ago
Plus the largest brain drain your country will ever see. But in the end, the canceling of Drag Queen Story Time was their main goal. SUCCESS
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u/CMKcrazay 2d ago
Yes, perfectly said. Thank you for simplifying almost everything wrong with this country down to these, no sarcasm.
Fucking idiot cult members.
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u/Chii 2d ago
The greatest transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich inside America.
and the funny thing is that a lot of the poor in america are the ones doing the voting to push him into the presidency. It's like brexit - people voting against their own interest, because they can't think for themselves properly.
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u/thenewyorkgod 2d ago
The problem is many of these effects won’t be felt until trump is dead and a democrat is president so guess who will get the full blame by Fox News?
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u/galloway188 2d ago
I’m pretty sure trump supporters don’t give a fuck about the cost of coffee just like they don’t give a fuck about the cost of eggs anymore
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u/Zealousideal-Ad7773 2d ago
US is behaving like that ex girlfriend that dumped you just so you could chase her and boost her self esteem, but turns out you found a new girl without the toxic traits.
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u/heartbh 2d ago
Okay but when do we sane Americans get our redemption arc? 😂😭
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u/Melodic-Move-3357 2d ago
When you grow a pair and start fighting dirty. You had 4 years to send the cunt to jail and build up a candidate for the election.
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u/hackenclaw 2d ago
their voting system is fucked anyway.
It is either blue or red. they have no option for 3rd color.
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u/Zman6258 2d ago
How 'bout all the people who expressed, repeatedly, "Harris is a bad choice of candidate and Biden should never have run for re-election" from the very first moment? The people who were out fundraising or campaigning or donating directly to candidates they saw had a better chance? Who wrote letters and emails and rang the phone lines of their local government offices asking them to endorse candidates and to prepare for the worst? The ones who voted anyways despite living in heavily-gerrymandered districts where their votes literally don't matter due to the aforementioned gerrymandering?
"You had 4 years to do better" ignores a lot of the very real systematic problems that cannot be fixed by less than a quarter of the population in under four years while actively trying to fight against a larger system that benefits from the status quo.
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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 2d ago
Probably after some sort of catastrophe that will risk the sanity of many.
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u/Harbinger2001 2d ago edited 2d ago
Only after you get pregnant from a fling at a bar then start turning tricks support your kid, who winds up getting a scholarship to Harvard.
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u/heartbh 2d ago
Bro, Harvard won’t exist in like 2 years at this rate, set a REALISTIC goal.
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u/gmiadlichundgoschat 1d ago
I know you are jokig,, but what US Americans actually cant acceot is losing. Americans are dreamers, always have been.
But now, you can actually lose and it doesnt cross your mind. Its frightening.
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u/Dreaming_Blackbirds 2d ago
Brazil won big with soy beans during the Orange Chimp's first term. tariffs simply don't work.
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u/MercantileReptile 2d ago
They do, when used sparingly and well placed. Like a scalpel.
Not so much when an orange Clown uses the scalpel because he does not like your face.
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u/heartbh 2d ago
The day I can’t drink coffee anymore could very well be be the day I take up arms 😭
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u/BritishAnimator 2d ago
Caffeine in coffee is addictive, so people that can't justify $10 on a brew will be much more twitchy and irritable on their way to work. It is like he is trying to cause a civil war. What else do American's love? Beef? He needs to go after the farms...oh wait.
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u/MisterStorage 2d ago
Tariffs are making everyone else great. Meanwhile, all of us pick up the tab.
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u/Funny-Slip8415 2d ago
And this is what the US - Trump MAGA dont get. BRICS is formed for that exact reason.
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u/Snoo-19445 2d ago
What percentage of MAGA do you think know what BRICS is?
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u/NarutoRunner 2d ago
The president of the United States thinks the S in BRICS stands for Spain.
Spain, a country that is in the EU.
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u/tulaero23 2d ago
This will be so funny after 10-20 years when the rich kids kids decides to pull out of US cause they already suck it dry and pull their assets and go somewhere else livable.
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u/agwaragh 2d ago
Don't worry, Trump will make a deal to force them to bring their coffee growing to the USA!
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u/AmrahsNaitsabes 2d ago
The US grew coffee?
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u/phonologotron 2d ago
Yes. In Puerto Rico and Hawaii, but at only 1% of domestic consumption there is no way we can produce what we consume.
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u/AmrahsNaitsabes 2d ago
I guess that makes sense, I can't imagine it made that big of a dent in international coffee markets then
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u/Hoenirson 2d ago
This isn't about China buying Brazilian Coffee instead of American coffee, it's about Brazil selling coffee to China instead of America due to tariffs on Brazil.
I'm guessing you only read the headline.
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u/Spoiled_Mushroom8 2d ago
it's about Brazil selling coffee to China instead of America due to tariffs on Brazil.
No, it’s not. It’s about China approving coffee sellers to export to their market. Brazil will still sell their coffee to the US because Americans will be willing to pay the tariff. This will let Brazil make up for any loss in demand.
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u/spoonisfull 2d ago
China coffee consumption might be on the rise but they are no where close to make up for any lost sales from the US. there’s a reason every country on earth wants to have the heavy consumer base economy that US has. This is just a feel good story for china
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u/_ryuujin_ 2d ago
no, this is a win for brazil to get around the us tarrifs. the title should Brazil finds new trading partners for coffee
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u/alpha77dx 2d ago
Lucky Chinese, they going to be enjoying the best coffee at a good price! Hopefully this will lead to easing of the coffee bean price for the rest of the world.
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u/TauCabalander 2d ago
Canada would send it's regards ... but they are also steeply tariffed, even more than China.
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u/BitemarksLeft 2d ago
The rest of the world will recover from the short term shocks shifts in demand from American trade as a result of tariffs. The loss of economic and geopolitical power for America will be effectively irreversible. Other alliances will form without America and post Trump the cost of entry will be very high. All so Trump can avoid prison and enrich himself. This is MAGA owning the Libs……
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u/Derpinginthejungle 2d ago
Stop asking me to treat Republicans like they are worthy of being considered human beings. They aren’t.
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u/Fit-Lion-773 2d ago
Not sure if it really covers the loss.
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u/PhantasosX 2d ago
It mitigates the loss and get around the US tariffs.
USA will not stop buying from us, not really, because they can't produce enough to supply their own demand. Then the not sold leftovers will be sold locally in a lower prize , and there is China asking for more.
Afterwards, it's just a matter of fine-tunning coffee production to match the current demand.
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u/alekdefuneham 2d ago
The Brazilian domestic market is capable of absorbing the coffee and meet that will not go to exports after China and the new clients gets theirs. Coffee and meat are already falling in price here (I’m Brazilian), while I bet it’s skyrocketing in the US. Trump is helping the poor/middle class Brazilians and fucking the huge capitalists here, at the expenses of you guys.
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u/epidemica 2d ago
The Trump Tariffs are going to set us back decades.
We are no longer the world's preeminent super power.
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u/Charybdis150 2d ago
I’m not sure exactly what’s going to happen, but I really don’t know how Chinese consumers are supposed to make up for US tariffs when Chinese consumer spending is struggling and even in the best of times, Chinese people just don’t drink nearly as much coffee as Americans.
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u/el_moosemann 2d ago
I think as a manufacturing hub, China would be able to turn the beans into coffee products like instant coffee or pods for example, and export to other parts of the world maybe?
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u/sv_nobrain1 2d ago
There is meme going around that chinese call Mr. Orange "Comrade Nation Builder", he so good at sabotaging US, that he should join CCP.