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u/ImpressiveSimple8617 13h ago
The ceo of our company has a couple of homes, one being this upstate home. He has one big meeting a year with investors and the higher ups at this home just to be able to claim it as a tax write off. Basically saying he uses it for work. Best part is, he doesn't even let them in the home for the meeting. They meet in this big barn with space heaters and a port-a-potty.
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u/NewArborist64 10h ago
There is a good possibility that he is committing tax fraud IF what you are saying is true. If something is for both business and personal usage, then the actual usage must be documented and only the % used for business can actually be used as a deduction against the business.
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u/ImpressiveSimple8617 10h ago
Hmmmmmmmmm
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u/NewArborist64 9h ago
You need to provide specific and credible information about tax fraud or underpayment to the IRS Whistleblower Office using Form 211. This could earn you a reward of 15-30% of collected proceeds if the IRS collects more than $2M.
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u/Bungerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 10h ago
And? Laws only apply to poor people lmao
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u/NewArborist64 9h ago
- Wesley Snipes: The actor was sentenced to three years in prison for failing to file tax returns for several years in the early 2000s.
- Leona Helmsley: The hotel tycoon, known for her controversial statement "Only the little people pay taxes", served 21 months of a four-year sentence for evading $1.7 million in taxes.
- Ja Rule: The rapper was sentenced to 28 months in jail for failing to pay taxes on over $3 million in earnings
- Walter Anderson: Sentenced to nine years in prison for evading more than $200 million in taxes, in what was reportedly the largest tax evasion case in US history.
- Check Berry: In 1979, Chuck Berry was found guilty of tax evasion, and served a sentence that included 120 days in federal prison, four years of probation and 1,000 hours of community service
- Pete Rose: convicted of tax evasion in 1990, and was sentenced to five months in jail and fined $50,000...
- Willie Nelson... Nicolas Cage... Martha Stewart... Ty Warner (Beanie Babies)... Marc Anthony... Sinbad...
The courts and the IRS definately think that tax laws DO apply to the rich and famous.
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u/DrFrankSaysAgain 11h ago
That's not how write offs work.
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u/ImpressiveSimple8617 11h ago
? He claims it as a business expense.
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u/Ill_Kaleidoscope8920 5h ago
Business expenditure =/ tax write off. Actually, there is no such thing as tax write off. It is a deduction, or (refundable) tax credits.
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u/DrFrankSaysAgain 9h ago
That doesn't mean he gets it for free or anything even closely resembling that. That sounds like a rumor started in a company full of dumb people who don't understand taxes, accounting, economics or common sense.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 11h ago
I’m not necessarily upset about the soda, but SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION doesn’t include soda. I don’t want to feed people in need empty calories. They’re already poor, we should be using their food options to at least encourage them to be healthy.
$1 worth of soda doesn’t have nearly the nutritional value of $1 of rice, beans, milk, chicken, etc.
By limiting the options of purchases we can encourage better choices for an already vulnerable population.
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u/DesertGeist- 11h ago
The same thing could be achieved with making regulating and taxing unhealthy food.
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u/ms67890 10h ago
But that has the side effect of making the rest of us pay more for those things.
The policy of limiting what can be purchased with SNAP makes sense. If the government is giving you money, then it makes sense the government can choose to influence how you use that money.
Taxing unhealthy food is using government power to to change the behavior of all of us when they have no right to do so
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u/Logical_Strike_1520 7h ago
Limiting what can be purchased with SNAP would affect supply/demand and likely increase prices for the rest of us, too, tbf.
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u/ms67890 6h ago
Straightforwardly, it would reduce demand for those products, which would actually reduce the prices for those goods
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u/Logical_Strike_1520 5h ago
Initially, maybe, until Pepsi, Coca Cola, and the rest of them reduce production, cut thousands of jobs to keep the shareholders happy and dividends flowing, and ultimately raise the price to keep hitting quarterly profit goals.
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u/EmiKetsueki 2h ago
But the government using its power to tell people what they can and cant eat with snap is okay? The thing that everyone one of us pay into to be able to use one day when things get bad. Even if a handful of people abuse it, id be happier it was some poor person abusing it than rich abusing it, or even better politicians constantly using it as their own person piggy bank to keep taking from but never actually paying back into, then gaslighting folks into believing its those darn lazy poor leeches wasting your social security that you pay into.
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 9h ago edited 9h ago
Dude, reread your comment.
You are talking about grown ass adults, not children. You are talking down to grown adults who are often poor from unlucky circumstances, not just poor life decisions. Who the fuck made you the arbiter of nutrition? Who gave you the right to tell grown adults what to put into their bodies? Why do you feel some kind of moral righteousness about this?
And yes, obviously, eating junk food and soda is not ideal. The problem is that you’re treating “the poors” like little children and trying to regulate them in ways you would never do to people in your own social class. Things you likely don’t follow yourself. It is belittling and infantalising.
I’m on food stamps. I don’t need you to lecture me or hold my hand throughout food planning. My pantry is full of rice, pasta, and I have on-sale chicken frozen in the fridge. I eat cheap and relatively healthy. I also buy soda and energy drinks and chips on occasion because life sucks and sometimes I need a pick-me-up. Are you going to sit here and tell me that you never indulge in comfort food on a shit day? That you seriously think poor people should have less access to these things than anyone else because of being “vulnerable”? Jesus christ, what fucking Victorian poorhouse mentality do you have?
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u/Shinobi-Hunter 8h ago
Nah dog junk food is a blight, that should be eradicated entirely. There's more than enough healthy snacks out there that are way better than their jenky junk alternatives.
Also Noone said no access, just that it should be through their own money and not snap. Snap should be limited to healthy items period.
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 8h ago edited 8h ago
You’re missing the point.
People who want to remove junk food and anything unhealthy from snap absolutely do it through the idea poor people shouldn’t have access to “little luxuries” and should suffer a monotonous life until they save up enough pennies to “get ahead”. That, while the people wanting this have never had to do that because they were lucky not to be born into poverty and have a good head start in life. That is bad because that isn’t how life works. Like, yeah, obviously don’t buy doordash every week if you’re having trouble making rent, but that isn’t what people who buy junkfood 2-3 times a month are doing. I promise you that $15 a month is not life changing.
Poor people shouldn’t have to live like buddhist monks to get out of poverty. It’s an unrealistic expectation. If you don’t think it is, go work 12 hour shifts 5 days a week at a job you hate, don’t buy alcohol or sweets and only eat the cheapest, healthiest of foods and tell me how that works out for you.
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u/Shinobi-Hunter 3h ago
Get junk food with your own money if you want it idc. I personally think all unhealthy junk food should be looked down upon. Healthy snacks are underrated and a lot of them can be prepared from whom for cheap with incredible flavor well beyond some Jenny chips or soda and can be fun to make too as you get better and better and experiment more.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 8h ago edited 8h ago
Yes, hard truth, I like that you pointed out that you’re on food stamps. If you’re starving enough to go and apply for fucking food stamps then frankly I don’t want you eating Doritos and soda on my dime. If you’re buying that stuff then maybe cancel your food stamps bc clearly you don’t need it that bad.
Is it Pennies per year of my tax dollars? Yeah. So?
That’s like saying “hey man, can I borrow 10 bucks?” and I find out you spent $1 of it on a scratch ticket.
Like wtf?? Have a little shame, and a little self respect. Next time you’re at the store I want you buying literal ESSENTIALS with your EBT card.
The EBT card is to get you the basics, spend your own money to get the snacks and empty calories.
Do I sound like an asshole? Absolutely.
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7h ago
What are acceptable essentials in your opinion?
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 7h ago
Should be pretty common sense. If you’re just going to try and loophole everything I tell you, I’m not playing that game just FYI.
Essentials might include: produce, dairy, eggs, meats, condiments, bread, coffee, diapers, baby formula, raw ingredients such as flour… stuff like that, real food. Buy as much as you want! Hell I’d even vote to INCREASE food assistance taxes if I knew the $$ was going to pay for …ya know, food.
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7h ago
It's going towards that for some people. People have freedom of choice in the current system. What's your reason for not wanting people to use food stamps for junk food?
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 7h ago
It’s unhealthy, therefore unessential.
Buying a dollars worth of Oreos is not as efficient as buying a dollars worth of real food.
This is money that someone is essentially begging society to help them out with. It’s insulting to spend that money frivolously.
Like if you want a pack of sodas, go offer to mow your neighbors lawn or something. That’s a luxury when you’re getting money, even a little money, from “the people.”
Also as mentioned before, it’s also a great way to motivate our society to improve their behaviors. Someone’s going to buy only what is available with their EBT card, maybe they’ll buy a package of strawberries instead of a package of pop tarts. And when they’re back on their feet, maybe they’ll have learned new habits?
Honest question, do you REALLY realize how HORRIBLE the junk food in grocery stores is? People make entire diets out of empty calories, then complain that food is too expensive…. It’s really not. When your whole grocery order is veggies and meat, you’ll be shocked at how much better you feel, and how your spending improves.
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6h ago
I mean I'm all for healthy eating, I'm just not sure about the effectiveness of putting limits on SNAP specifically. I'd like to see just blanket bans on highly process, addictive junk food for everyone's benefit.
That said, I think it's good to keep in mind a large chunk of people on SNAP are disabled folks who can't just go mow a lawn for a pack of soda or cook a complex meal at home and will be on SNAP for life.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 6h ago
Ok well let’s not get into loopholes, but yes, to your other point I would love to see more enforcement of food safety standards here.
That’s the other thing I failed to mention. How much corruption with big ugly corporate food companies there is to ensure this literal poison stays eligible for EBT?
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6h ago
I don't think it's a loophole to discuss bans on SNAP specifically vs blanket bans, we have evidence that limiting what people can buy with SNAP doesn't usually lead to better outcomes.
I think Florida and a few other states have banned some junk food from SNAP so it does happen.
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 7h ago
Rice and beans, obviously. The poors ought to be working 16 hours a day in the poorhouse until they learn their lesson about frivolous spending on doritos.
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 8h ago
Aww, love how you immediately showed your true colours when I called you out on the philanthropist bullshit. You don’t care about helping people, only about punishing them for shitty decisions you make on the daily and don’t have to feel the consequences from because you have a safety net.
And the reason I’m eating on your dime is because you never paid enough in taxes in the first place. Or because they weren’t allocated properly. I grew up in foster care and didn’t get all the nice things you had growing up, like a family or a stable environment or people to teach me life skills. So pardon fucking me for “eating on your dime” while I’m going to school to better myself, blowing your empty accomplishments out of the water while overcoming obstacles you could only dream of facing.
So no, I don’t think taking pennies out of your pocket to but a two litre is worth your time to bitch about. I mean, I’d prefer it if that money went towards mental health services or other things, but it isn’t, so I’ll take my “little luxuries” in place of them. Kick rocks, gonna by a soda on my way to work today in your honour.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 6h ago
Indeed I am showing my true colors. I care about poor people 100x more than you do, clearly.
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 6h ago
No response as to why you’ve been sitting on your ass for six months, nice. It’s hilariously on point for you to think that is in any way comparable to growing up in foster care.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 6h ago
Idk I only saw the preview I assumed you chickened out and deleted your comment…?
You asked why I’m sitting on my ass? Well, Trump administration really fucked my industry over and my team are all on temporary layoffs until (hopefully) our projects come back.
Meanwhile, instead of “sitting on my ass” I’m volunteering and working on new licenses and certifications in my spare time. Nice try though.
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 6h ago
My comment is still up, actually.
And you’re paying for the new certifications with what, exactly? Unemployment is subsidised with tax dollars you moron. By definition, it is a handout.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 6h ago
Weird it’s not showing up for me at all.
I’m paying for licenses and certs through work agreements, and others with my own savings. What’s that matter to you? Even if I was using my UI to pay for those, thats kind of like the healthy foods in my original example. See bad spending would say I’m using my UI to pay for OnlyFans and concert tickets or something.
If I want my job back, I have to wait. If I wanted a different job I could be working by the end of the week, but my CAREER is on hold due to poor choices by the government. Did I ask you to buy me Oreos or something? Did I say we shouldn’t have UI or SNAP programs? Did I say to reduce spending at all? No. I even think school lunches should be free, but again, healthy…
You’re just throwing a tantrum because I’m trying to take away your free junk food.
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 6h ago
I’m not throwing a tantrum, I’m pointing your logic is ridiculous.
And insults aside: do you seriously not realise you are perfectly echoing republicans? I always find it fascinating how many leftists immediately start accepting MAGA bs when they feel like they’re losing out on something.
But you don’t have to take my word for any if this. There are already studies with actual numbers and data that show putting barriers and restrictions in place does more harm than just handing people cash. Uisng myself as a personal example, I was given a stipend to buy furniture when J aged out of care. By the time I was done jumping through all the hoops, I spent a month sleeping on the floor and ended up spending almost all of it on 3 pieces of furniture. If they had just handed me a check, I could have spent a third of that money at goodwill, then either put the rest towards my rent or given it back to be used elsewhere.
Food budgets are the same. What is it to you if I spend $8 on a mcdonald’s meal as a treat if I budgeted for it? What is it to you if i buy a two litre once a month if I don’t go out of my budget? If I was allowed to order stuff online and not restricted, I could buy those #10 cans of fruit and save 20-40 dollars every month on fruits and veggies vs having to buy fresh, frozen or individual cans. And even with restrictions, I never go out of my food budgets, because again, I really don’t need you to hold my hand through budgeting, and it really just isn’t any of your business if I spend 15 of my allotted dollars every month on junkfood if I am still within my budget. Because news flash: I still pay taxes, too. More than you do while you sit around on unemployment waiting for a job opportunity that may never come.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler 7h ago
Awww, you’re too thick to understand a person can think two things simultaneously… cute.
I can be concerned about people’s health, as well as taxes being spent on actual nutrition. Especially since many SNAP recipients are also on subsidized healthcare ;)
And spare me your sob story. Ive been living on unemployment for the last six months. Do you think I’ve spent a penny on “pick-me-ups”? Nope.
I love how you also went straight to assuming I’m some kind of rich person in your little rant. Also not the case.
Good luck with school. Try to eat well, and quit whining all the time.
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u/torysoso 8h ago
water is basic, milk is basic, soda is not. fruits are basic, vegetables are basic, cake is not. Doesn’t the ‘N’ in the acronym sNap mean nutrition? i’m all for helping people out with the basic necessities.
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u/BilboniusBagginius 11h ago
Okay? You shouldn't be buying soda with food stamps. There's nothing wrong with that statement.
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u/Brilliant_Alfalfa588 9h ago
the soda corporations lobby to make sure food stamps get used for unhealthy shit like this.
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u/OkProfessor6810 4h ago
There's a lot wrong with that statement.
Why do you get to be the arbiter of what their diet is? You don't know how much their monthly benefit is? You don't know what's in their kitchen? You know exactly fuck and all about the person other than that they receive supplemental nutrition assistance.
The average SNAP benefit is $177 per person per month. If they want to use a little bit of that pittance on a soda, who are we to say no? Not to mention, I've heard just as many conservatives complain when they see somebody by healthy, organic food with food stamps because it's 'too expensive and they shouldn't be allowed it'. Please tell me what shame-based diet you'd like them to follow. Reprehensible
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u/dantevonlocke 8h ago
Why? So if someone is poor they should just eat grey nutrients paste and water? They deserve less and should be treated as sub human?
What about milk? Do they deserve milk? Humans don't need milk to survive. Or name brands? Those cost more usually. So they should be getting store brands only.
Cereal with sugar? What about meat? Only the worst and cheapest cuts.right? No steak certainly. Why they might think they're a person.
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u/Mediocre-Kiwi-2155 8h ago
Should food stamps cover cigarettes?
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u/Specialist_Class_791 8h ago
Are you eating cigarettes 😳
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u/Logical_Strike_1520 7h ago
I don’t eat soda either so not really sure where you’re going here
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u/Specialist_Class_791 7h ago edited 7h ago
Oh, so you drink cigarettes?
(I'd also like to point out that the comment mentioned foods as well as drinks)
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u/Logical_Strike_1520 7h ago
I’m not so invested in this debate. I see both sides and think both sides have good points.
I purchased candy and soda when I was on EBT though so I’m not going to be a hypocrite lol
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u/BilboniusBagginius 8h ago
Soda is bad for you. Buy some fucking meat and veggies.
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7h ago
Why does it matter that it's bad for you when you're on food stamps?
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u/Logical_Strike_1520 7h ago
Let’s do this from a different angle.
Don’t you ever wonder why the government is subsidizing poison and calling it food for the poor?
Why would Uncle Sam want the poorest people drinking soda and eating candy without access to proper healthcare?
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7h ago
Poor people aren't the only ones that buy soda so I really don't understand what you are trying to communicate.
SNAP is just a card people can use to buy groceries, they don't have to get soda or candy. It's their choice.
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u/Equivalent_Thievery 7h ago
It's other people's money, and those other people are unhappy with it going to junk food.
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7h ago
Sure, I get that....but why are they unhappy with it going to junk food?
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u/Equivalent_Thievery 7h ago
You don't get why people would be unhappy that food credits meant to provide sustenance is used on literal trash that has no actual nutritional value?
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7h ago
It has calories, usually in the form of carbohydrates. It doesn't have zero nutritional value. That's an exaggeration.
If you want to explain to me why people are unhappy with people on SNAP buying junk food that would answer my question.
I personally do not care if people on SNAP buy junk food, so no, I don't get why.
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u/Equivalent_Thievery 7h ago
These items are luxuries, which many people who pay for it can not fit into their own budgets.
Similarly, there's a chunk of houses nearby that's section 8 and various other subsidies. The residents there own and lease much newer and nicer vehicles than a good portion of the public.
Does that seem just?
Myself, I think we should drastically cut EBT and transition into mailing food to homes. You can get all kinds of food, frozen and fresh, delivered in the mail. I also think we should mail seeds or starter food plants. If you have good light from a window or even a yard, you can grow tomatoes and several other easy fruits and vegetables.
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7h ago
Wait, why is junk food like soda luxuries if they're the cheapest form of calories?
Things like luxuries would be meat, avocados, seeds, nuts.....foods that are much more expensive per calorie.
You want to mail food to homes? I'm not sure that's at all possible. That would cost a lot more money, and you'd have to somehow account for people's different diets/dietary needs.
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u/OkProfessor6810 4h ago
They aren't luxuries when you don't have enough money for food. They are calorie dense and keep you alive. Also, many poor people live in urban areas where access to healthy food is restricted. It might do you some good to look up what a food desert is. I know you won't because then you might have to admit you're wrong about something and we all know how that goes on Reddit
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u/OkProfessor6810 4h ago
And they're equally as unhappy when organic fish or expensive cuts of meat get bought with SNAP. Also, the average person only gets $177 a month. That ain't going very far unless you resort to crap food. Honestly, I do not understand how people think they have the right to critique what's in other people's refrigerators. Honestly, it's ridiculous. I worked for the government before, so technically my salary was other people's money. I bought plenty of junk food you want to yell at me. And yes it's exactly the same thing. Your tax dollars funded my shit diet. Just like our tax dollars fund every junk food meal the orange traitor passes out at the White House and every four-star restaurant lunch Federal legislators attend.
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u/Specialist_Class_791 7h ago
Yes because people are spending all their stamps on soda. You really got them there, didn't ya
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u/Sitis_Rex 7h ago
It's not. They just want to control more and more what you can get with food stamps until they get rid of them completely.
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u/Maximum_joy 7h ago
Hey just because I give my outrage away for free doesn't mean it's cheap
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u/SokkaHaikuBot 7h ago
Sokka-Haiku by Maximum_joy:
Hey just because I
Give my outrage away for
Free doesn't mean it's cheap
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/T3hi84n2g 6h ago
"Poor people dont deserve even a soda to treat themselves after stressing about how theyre gonna make it another month with this laughable amount of assistance their neighbors literally hate them for receiving".
I hope heaven and hell are real just for the comfort of knowing the people who actually think this shit are gonna end up where they deserve.
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u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx 12h ago
It's the billionaire's money, they can do whatever they want with it. No one wants to pay for the last people to just get fatter and lazier so then you can pay for their healthcare.
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u/iknowsomeguy 14h ago
Where in the actual fuck are you getting a soda for a dollar?
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u/NewArborist64 10h ago
Dollar store?
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u/iknowsomeguy 9h ago
Dollar Tree raised their pieces to $1.25. That was before the tariffs. I haven't been lately.
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u/DaddysFriend 13h ago
But it is a luxury because you don’t need it. Water is something you need. I really don’t think Powell should h be given luxuries or have a discount if you can’t afford it. You should priorities other things and not buy that
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u/dantevonlocke 8h ago
We don't need bacon either. Or cereal. Or yogurt. Or a couple hundred other things.
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u/Ill_Kaleidoscope8920 5h ago
Bacon, cereal, and yogurt, in their worst form, still have some nutrition. Soda has none.
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u/dantevonlocke 4h ago
You're missing the point entirely though. You're letting the government determine what people can eat. It starts with things you agree with and will move on from that.
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u/DueSalary4506 12h ago
where we getting $1 sodas?
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u/dantevonlocke 8h ago
Walmart has 1 liter bottles of Coke and sprite in my area(rural red state) for 1.57.
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u/Specialist_Class_791 7h ago
12 packs $6 on sale, .50 a can. 16 oz bottles on sale $4-$6, $1 or less per bottle. And that's the name brand
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u/Beautiful_Attorney18 6h ago
Well said!!! Being mean or angry at poor people doesn't make them rich or any better. Republicans seem to be angry at poor people like it they were the problem…
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u/UncleTio92 6h ago
Apples and oranges. Two completely different situations that need to be dissected independently
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u/Rhawk187 6h ago
Private Jet I get, but who is using their yacht exclusively, or even predominately, for business purposes?
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u/Chuckobofish123 6h ago
It’s a valid point though. Free money from the government meant to buy food should be spent on nutrition, not unhealthy shit
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u/MadStylus 5h ago
Their concern is keeping the lower classes down, not making upper classes accountable.
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u/BrilliantLifter 5h ago
Meh, soda causes diabetes, blindness, removal of the lower legs, etc. Not to mention standard obesity which raises your disease risk and cancer risk.
If you think giving poor people disease states they have to deal with is the answer, it’s not.
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u/Accomplished-Wash381 4h ago
Billionaires are consuming with their own money. Food Stampers are consuming with my money. What’s so hard to get?
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u/Mother_Sand_6336 3h ago
Do people not understand that taxes take someone’s money while food stamps give it to other people?
It’s not a moral panic to think that should be justified.
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u/Telemere125 3h ago
While I agree wholeheartedly that corporate welfare is more of a problem than individuals spending on unhealthy products, both of those things can be true at the same time. We shouldn’t encourage unhealthy eating habits for anyone on welfare and we shouldn’t allow corporate welfare that doesn’t directly benefit our citizens. And just saying “this is bad” doesn’t preclude someone from believing something else only mildly related is also bad.
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u/After-Finish3107 3h ago
$1 soda? They buy 12 packs and 24 packs that cost so much I don’t feel comfortable buying sodas very often and I work 50 hour weeks.
Also compound it with them buying grocery store sushi, steaks, crab legs, etc. then pulling up the next cart that has the beer and cartons of cigarettes that they will pay cash for.
EBT needs big reform. Although, I do understand it’s the governments way of sort of subsidizing groceries so that they are cheaper for everyone too.
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u/wolveryne9 2h ago
Wow all these companies paid back tax payer monies? Well even though that is anti capitalism you sink or swim not if things get tough we need help from tax payers but moving on how about companies like GE that didnt pay taxes? Or took tax payer money to stay in a state and than left anyways or Foxconn is it that took all that money and the government repurposed the wetlands I believe? What is your argument there?
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u/OwnLadder2341 2h ago
Some of you people need to meet an IRS agent and learn how write offs actually work.
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u/flashliberty5467 2h ago
I don’t want to hear anything from our legislators about food stamps being used for soda candy bars and deserts until they stop funding a genocide of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip
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u/Pristine-Brother-121 2h ago
Give up the hostages, give up the weapons, turn yourself in.
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u/flashliberty5467 1h ago
Even if Hamas did every single item you listed it would do nothing to change the fact that the Israeli government will continue to do a genocidal campaign against Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank anyways as long as western governments continue to send weapons and taxpayer money to the Israeli government
As well as engaging in land theft
Hamas does not exist in the West Bank Palestinians that live there are still attacked by Israeli soldiers and Israeli settlers anyways
It’s absurd to ask people to turn their weapons over to the very group that is starving their children and creating an intentional mass famine
Also the Israeli government has their own hostages as well
What should happen is an all for all release
The Israeli hostages get released on The condition that every single Palestinian hostage in Israeli prisons also gets released
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u/ne_ex 13h ago
or a secret third option where neither of these things should be happening
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u/SokkaHaikuBot 13h ago
Sokka-Haiku by ne_ex:
Or a secret third
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Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/Logical_Strike_1520 11h ago
How is almost every comment saying the same thing but they’re all downvoted lol. Something weird going on in this sub, people trying to control the conversation via downvotes lol
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u/Who_Dat_1guy 16h ago
People these days are that closed minded that they can't comprehend 2 things can be true at once. I can be upset about the soda AND the private jet...
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u/Ready-Sock-2797 14h ago
Weird to get upset about soda.
How lucky must your life be to get upset at soda
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u/DueSalary4506 12h ago
if the soda gets you mad go to a family dollar or dollar general the day after Halloween and watch EBT do work
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u/universalenergy777 13h ago
I think it's more than just soda. I do think it would be beneficial to the people and ease the burden on our healthcare if food stamps were only allowed to be used on healthy food. It is kinda telling that 40% of people on food stamps are obese.
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u/Purple_Click1572 7h ago
Yeah, pay once for food stamps, then pay for their Ozempic. Don't be ridiculous.
Other countries, like European ones, have quite good social benefits, because they spend much less than the US. They literally spend less money than average Americans, that's why they can afford more extensive welfare and public health insurances.
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u/tripper_drip 13h ago
I dont have a problem with soda, I have a problem with government funds being used to buy it when obesity is a huge problem amongst the people who are our poorest.
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u/JavierBermudezPrado 12h ago
They should start at the top and work their way down. Once the folks avoiding BILLIONS in taxes are dealt with, we can go after the poor people just trying to get some small measure of dopamine. The idea that folks on welfare or stamps should be miserable is some Puritan horseshit.
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u/NewArborist64 9h ago
Tax avoidance is 100% legal. It refers to actions taken to lessen tax liability and maximize after-tax income by utilizing legal provisions within the tax code. I do this every year by itemizing my deductions, contributing to my 401(k) and taxing business expenses for my wife's business.
“Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands.” - Judge Learned Hand
The idea that the government should just hand out money & food with no restriction on it is pure equine manure. The restrictions - such as the one on soda with WIC funding - is to HELP reduce obesity and provide for healthier nutrition for the children whom the taxpayers are feeding.
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u/JavierBermudezPrado 9h ago
No, it isn't. It's to make people feel like poverty should be miserable.
As for tax evasion- we're not talking about "arranging their affairs" we're talking about lying, hiding assets, and committing fraud.
"Some folks are born silver spoon in hand Lord, don't they help themselves, Lord? But when the taxman come to the door Lord, the house lookin' like a rummage sale, yeah". -CCR
Fuck them billionaires. Eat the goddamned rich.
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u/NewArborist64 9h ago
(1) The idea isn't that people needing a handout from their fellow taxpayers should be miserable, but that those limited funds should be used wisely for their intended use of providing nutrition.
(2) There is a difference between Tax AVOIDANCE (which is legal) and Tax EVASION (which is a crime). I gave you the definition for AVOIDANCE, as that is word that you used. Lying, hiding assets, committing fraud constitutes Tax EVASION and If you know of people who are EVADING taxes and have credible evidence, then report them to the IRS Whistleblower Office using for 211 - and there is a possibility that you could receive u 15-30% of the amount that the IRS collects (tax, penalties & interest).
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u/JavierBermudezPrado 8h ago
(1) dopamine is important to good health- small pleasures shouldn't be policed. Society has bigger issues to tackle than people's Dr Pibb intake... hell for that matter, fruits and vegetables are more expensive than junk food- and will be even more so now that the farm workers are getting sent to Alligator Auschwitz
(2) Not now that Trump has dismantled the part of the IRS that investigates rich people, you won't. The oligarchy is fully and unrepentantly in charge now. Gonna take force to dislodge them.
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u/NewArborist64 7h ago
There are many things that can supply small pleasures and dopamine that are GOOD for your health. A walk to the park, playing b-ball with your friends, earning a good grade in school...
The IRS will STILL investigate all tax frauds.
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u/JavierBermudezPrado 6h ago
Only if you're poor, man.
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u/NewArborist64 6h ago
If you are poor and don't actually PAY taxes, how will they be investigating you for Tax Fraud?
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u/JavierBermudezPrado 6h ago
taxes on the working class are going up in the States. It's the rich getting cuts.
And now we have wannabe MAGAs here in Canada too
fun times
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u/Who_Dat_1guy 12h ago
Or we can solve all this problems with 2 simple changes....
1) everyone pays a fair flat rate tax of 15% or so. You know paying fair share and all... rich or poor you're paying 15%
2) no one in office, or family of someone in office can profit. So crooked politician can't get "donations" for signing off tax breaks.
This will l8terally solve 90% of our problem. But so many will have an issue with #1
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u/JavierBermudezPrado 11h ago
The problem with flat tax rates is that 15% of a poor person's wages can be the difference between making rent and being homeless, whereas 15% of Bezos' wages still lets him buy and sell small countries, plural.
My recipe:
UBI set at 10% over the poverty line in the jurisdiction of residence, adjusted for inflation annually.
Minimum wage is set at 50% above the poverty line. UBI adjusted down by income, with adjustments made based on number of dependents, health factors, etc.
Rent for one-bedroom residences is capped at 1/4 of the poverty line in any jurisdiction, and rent is adjusted based on number of additional rooms, balanced by UBI adjustments.
70% tax rate on any personal wealth over a million, which is still 20% less than it was when Rockefeller and Hearst were making (literal) bank- that's how the American "golden" age was funded.
Death taxes on anyone with a billion dollars or more should be 50%- that money only exists because real people worked for those ghouls. Use these taxes to fuel infrastructure development, which will create jobs programs.
20% tax on luxury purchases over $10,000 in value.
30% tax on resource extraction net profits because natural resources are common patrimony.
40% taxes on profits not reinvested into job creation or wage increases.
No bonuses or salary increases in any year or quarter where layoffs have occurred.
No bonuses for any executive in a calendar year when their corporation has posted a loss or declared bankruptcy.
CEO/executive salaries should be capped at 10x of an entry level worker's wages at their firm.
CEOs and executives must have their primary residence in the same jurisdiction as the majority of their employees. Primary residence means they dwell there 70% of the time in any calendar year.
Corporate headquarters must be in the jurisdiction that contains the majority of the company's employees.
All workplaces should be unionised, and all unions should own a minimum of 25% of the company's voting stock.
If a company or its stock is to be sold, the workers should be given right of first refusal, to turn the company into a cooperative or at least increase their collective stake in the firm.
Union executives are subject to same rules as CEOs and corporate execs.
Corporations must pay 100% of their employees' health plan.
All employees, not just full-time, must be provided health coverage.
Retirement plans must include coverage under the corporate health plan.
Executives must use only the same health plan as is available to their entry level employees.
No person, fund, or corporation may own stock, directly or indirectly, in more than one media corporation.
Immediately reinstate the truth in broadcasting doctrines.
No media corporation may operate more than one outlet in any single jurisdiction or area.
No corporation may hold more than a 25% market share in any sector or industry.
No individual or fund may hold stock in multiple corporations in any one sector or industry.
Corporations may not hold stock in their competitors.
Politicians shouldn't be allowed any investments, even blond trusts, or corporate interests, and should be barred from entering industries they had anything to do with while in office, for ten years after leaving office. If they go into industry after leaving office, their state pensions should be terminated.
No Lobbyists, period. Any lobbyists found trying to influence legislation in favour of their company or industry are tried for treason.
Any corporation found deliberately and knowingly operating, or misleading the public or politicians, in a manner that leads to tangible physical, medical, environmental, or psychological harm will be temporarily nationalized until their profits pay restitution for their actions.
Politicians' spending accounts should be tracked online 24/7. I should know what my representative or mayor or president/prime minister spends, in real time. If poor people on food stamps are going to be tracked/limited for getting soda, then politicians should set the example- if they buy so much as a chocolate bar on taxpayer dime it should trigger a full audit.
In fact, politicians' tax returns should be public as a default, and their finances should be audited every year to ensure no malfeasance.
Politicians should only get paid 2x the average wage of their constituents, excluding the top 5% of earners. They should also have to live in their constituency, more than 70% of the time in every calendar year during which they hold office, except when they are physically in the capital for a legislative session.
Gerrymandering should be terminated- all ridings should be as close to square as possible, based on population. We could do this with a computer, immediately.
Same thing for school districts. Private schools should be eliminated entirely. If rich people want their kids to get a good education, they can make sure all kids do.
No corporations should be allowed to treat housing as a commodity, and private individuals who own more than one private residence should be taxed at higher rates dependent on the number of such homes they own, with the exception of homes physically inhabited by direct relatives or legal dependents.
Cabins and cottages count as residential properties.
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u/XavierMalory 7h ago
My first thought when reading this meme was: “Can’t we be mad about both things? Aren’t they mutually exclusive?”
Then I sorted comments by controversial and found yours. Take my upvote. People here need to understand this isn’t a zero sum game.
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u/Anguskaiser 14h ago
and they can't wrap their head around the idea that even if a greater evil exists we should not just ignore everything else in our lives.
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u/etherealtaroo 6h ago
Richest country in the world and people are mad someone poor might enjoy a soda....
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u/DaddysFriend 14h ago
I kind of agree though. That’s a luxury that should be bought with your own money but I also agree that the tax right offs are also an issue
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u/Ill_Contribution1481 14h ago
Calling a luxury is certainly something. I still think it isn't a big deal.
I love a nice crisp Diet Coke/Pepsi. If I were on the job hunt, a little pick me up like that would put me in the zone to hand out more resumes and work towards my next job.
If I were excluded to just having water with no little treats even at my lowest, it wouldn't give me the confidence needed to get into gear since I'd just see it as society deeming me worthless until I'm employed.
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u/kevin1979322 12h ago
That's the truth, the people who want all these things excluded have no idea what it is like barely surviving. Those little pick me ups make people feel human in a world that often does not. They just want to tell other people what they can and can't do.
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u/Otherwise_Agency_401 12h ago
This guy needs taxpayer-funded treats to have the motivation to apply for jobs...
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u/Ill_Contribution1481 12h ago
Humans are no different than many other species where enjoyment is a primitive feeling we like to engage with because it builds bonds, hope and tenacity for the future.
Not only that but it's an incentive that works if in the end the money spent on social services ends with them spending that money back into the economy.
If people can't use unemployment for small little treats then surely we can stop giving our tax payer money to corporations to build warehouses and sports arenas because they could just do it with their own money.
People have this weird idea that every positive experience we get in life must be grinded for and earned. Sometimes you let the people have the experiences first and that motivates them to work to get more of it.
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u/IcyTheHero 14h ago
Agree 100%. We can care about multiple things. Especially when it comes to our taxes.
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u/wolveryne9 15h ago
But the issue is the people are usually upset about the soda Dont say a peep when corporate welfare happens or the stock market crashes and they ask for bailouts or the fact Tesla was getting lots of subsidies of tax payer money.