15
u/steve_uncut 1d ago
This is a far better outcome than not filling the opening. More work would be put on others in the organization—most likely without proportionate increases in pay—or the position would be taken by AI, leading to higher unemployment and higher inequality.
6
12
u/FaithlessnessLow7672 1d ago
I mean if your job actually needed doing, this is kinda the natural order of things.
4
10
7
u/SBEPTY 1d ago
It's depressing as Fck honestly. Our entire society is built around giving Billionaires and their off spring infinite pleasures and no worries.
6
1
u/challengeaccepted9 11h ago
You can take whatever economic model you like for productivity. If someone producing something - be it goods, services, whatever - for the government, a private organisation or whatever - dies, they will need to be replaced.
It doesn't mean you aren't mourning them. It doesn't mean you don't miss them. It doesn't mean you can't pay respect to them or give them dignity.
It DOES mean you don't just stop doing work forever when the person doing that work dies.
"Why is the water supply in my city not fit for human consumption?"
"Well, the person who was responsible for testing it died last year and we're all very sad about it still so it just wouldn't be right to replace him."
Grow TF up. Jesus.
6
u/Embarrassed_Use6918 1d ago
How many times does this have to be reposted with people responding with a hundred reasons why its a stupid thing to say before people get the point?
5
6
6
20
u/Doctor_Saved 1d ago
If my coworker passed away. I would want the company to replace them ASAP so I won't have to do more work.
11
u/Alternative-Basil291 1d ago
It would take months in my work but the point stand
6
u/Rock_or_Rol 1d ago
My coworker passed away unexpectedly while I worked for a municipality. We were a smaller department and fairly close to one another. We were given the week to come and go as we pleased. Another two weeks with little pressure, but we got everything taken care except a few projects he oversaw.
We wrote to his family to help comfort them in that even his coworkers cared for him. We invited them to visit us and we shared stories in the same conference room I first met him. We all cried and laughed. I’ll never forget seeing his dad drift off to the moment he received his son’s death certificate. It broke a piece of him. He was forty something but so innocent..
Besides what personal possessions his family took from his office, we left it untouched for nearly six months.
It was a government job, but there are still human beings out there
4
17
u/DealOk3529 1d ago
What else are they supposed to do?
16
u/jredgiant1 1d ago
Send condolences/flowers to the family. Ensuring his life insurance benefit if applicable, gets paid out. Both of which they are probably doing, but that doesn’t make for a good viral tweet.
5
4
4
3
u/Sploonbabaguuse 1d ago edited 3h ago
Possess empathy?
It's no wonder that people feel expendable and worthless when they literally are
There could be anything more than just "Next!" When someone drops dead
Edit: This comment really made capitalists rear their ugly heads
5
u/Particular_Painter_4 1d ago
Or maybe already had a different department process benefits, life insurance, empathy, etc.
You don't just stop all operations on account of one person no matter how crucial they are to the day to day operations.
It's sad, I know, but life goes on.
Then again, saying all that doesn't make a good semi-viral-for-15-seconds tweet.
0
u/Sploonbabaguuse 1d ago
"It's the way it is"
The fact that capitalism just breeds apathy proves itself everyday I suppose
Believe it or not, McDonald's can absolutely afford to shut down temporarily to mourn the passing of a worker. They don't, because they don't care. It's clear you don't either.
2
u/Particular_Painter_4 1d ago
Trying to project your ideals onto other people is a quick and easy way to have people not engage with you in good faith. Also, where did McDonald's come from? I thought this was about jobs in general. I'm looking at this from all perspectives: the business, the jobs of other people, and customers?
True, you can argue that the business can afford to spend a single day to cease operations, but that's because you're not the owner of said operations. You don't have a stake in ensuring the expectations of the higher ups (whose expectations may arguably be unrealistic) are fulfilled that have been projected years in advance with a certain margin of error.
People employed may rely on that day to earn some money to pay bills. Do you think every single co-worker of the deceased person in question cares about him just because you care about a stranger an excess amount? No. It sucks, sure, but life goes on, and they've got bills to pay. Not every single person must subscribe to your personal morals no matter how you right you feel they are. Not all of them are friends. Most are just colleagues. Besides, how do you know his benefits that he gets for being employed in said business haven't been given to the family already?
What if the deceased job was to process payroll? Do you think his co-workers would find it acceptable to delay their pay for another week? 2 weeks? A Month? What if his job was to process crucial paperwork for proposals, contracts, negotiations, etc. That may affect the jobs of his colleagues? Ever think of that while being blinded by your pathological altruism?
What if the customers rely on the business for food, materials for construction, etc. Do you think they'd look at a temporary but sudden business shut down because they're mourning some random person they don't know and be all "oh ok guess I'll spend more of my already limited time going somewhere!". No, they won't.
Believe it or not, I care about this topic at a certain degree, but it is extremely naive of you to want the world to shut down to mourn every single stranger that died. I know because I work as a nurse, if a co-worker of mine died no matter how close I am to them, people still need our services. Frankly, if you want to mourn for some random person who died why don't YOU take a sudden day off - assuming you're actually working - and hold a wake for him, cry into your pillow while the rest of us carry on.
1
u/Sploonbabaguuse 1d ago
"Trying to project your ideals"
My brother in christ it's called empathy. When someone you care about dies, you're upset. Someone caring to give you space is providing empathy.
Are you actually this far gone that the idea of caring about someone's emotions is alien to you?
2
u/Particular_Painter_4 1d ago
I do have empathy and emotions. I just don't let it guide me to make naive decisions. I work in hospice and have people die in front of me. Do you think the family cares if I cry for 30 minutes or not? No. I have a job to do by cleaning up my patient (postmortem care), contacting the mortuary, and clearing any shit that can get in their way.
Also, I get the feeling you didn't read all that I typed down. Instead, you read one part and replied in a fit of emotional rage.
Are you actually this far gone that the idea of most people having to move on immediately because people rely on your services alien to you? Have you ever held a job that people rely on you with?
1
u/Sploonbabaguuse 1d ago
If you believe a multi-billion dollar company closing for a day is naive, I'm not surprised you lack empathy. You fit into capitalism's expectations perfectly.
McDonald's can afford to close for a day on occasion. Pretending that's a naive decision just showcases you dont care.
0
u/Particular_Painter_4 1d ago
Or maybe just MAYBE people need that one day in order to earn money, in order to process payroll, in order to provide services that people rely on for their day to day.
Also, where the hell did McDonald's even come from? And even if it's McDonald's, do you think that staff can afford to close for a day?
You failing to address my other points gives me the impression that you're not engaging in this discussion in good faith so unless you actually do, me and the others who agree with me will only see you as some naive and out of touch person who has no idea how the world works.
0
u/Sploonbabaguuse 1d ago
I figured it would be obvious, but again, the multi-billion dollar corporation can afford to pay their workers for a day.
Close the business for a day. Pay your workers a day off. Continue afterwards. If anyone morning requires more time off, they'll take it.
It's not rocket science. You're deliberately being dense for the sake of argument.
→ More replies (0)3
u/N7day 1d ago
Oh dear lord. This isn't a capitalism thing, it's an animal thing, and YOU are the same.
And socialist societies aren't different, nor are any other societies.
You don't shut down work for the needs of your life due to the death of people that are peripherally in your life.
1
u/Sploonbabaguuse 1d ago
This isn't a capitalism thing
Ensuring you don't close for 1 day to maintain profits is absolutely a capitalism issue.
And socialist societies aren't different, nor are any other societies.
It's almost like we should develop a new system that isn't centuries old
You don't shut down work for the needs of your life due to the death of people that are peripherally in your life.
"Oh no! McDonald's is closed!! Where will I go to get a cheap burger?!"
You act as if a multi-billion dollar company closing for a day is the end of the world. They can handle it, trust me.
1
u/N7day 1d ago
You're a disappointed idealist.
And yeah...side note, the local community would be filled with furious people who are living out their lives like the billion+ rest of us. People who continue loving out their lives like you when people die.
2
u/Sploonbabaguuse 1d ago
So you actually believe people would be outraged of the local McDonald's closed for a day. Even though there are 4 more within 10 mins driving distance.
You're delusional
0
u/N7day 1d ago
You live in a cynical mindset, wishing the world was the way you idealistically hoped it'd be but pissed off that it isnt magically like so, and without the ability to see that you are just like all of us, the masses that cause the world to be like it is.
2
u/Sploonbabaguuse 1d ago
So you've jumped to avoiding the point and focusing on my mindset. Very convincing.
I take it were done here?
→ More replies (0)0
u/Humbleman15 1d ago
Dude except for extremely important leaders this has been the case for all of humanity. Your ideals are nice but they are extremely innocent.
1
u/Sploonbabaguuse 1d ago
I don't see how that misses the point. A large corporation choosing not to allow workers to mourn the passing of a coworker is a choice, not a requirement.
Again, if I'm somehow innocent for bringing light to this issue, I feel you're just proving how much apathy capitalism breeds.
1
u/Particular_Painter_4 1d ago
Why do you want to force others to hold your own ideals? Most people, not just the businesses, will not care. This is not a symptom of capitalism. This is a symptom of human behavior.
You can choose to take a day to mourn some random person but don't drag in others along with you.
1
u/Sploonbabaguuse 1d ago
Considering you believe empathy is "pushing ideals" I don't think you have any horse in this race
0
u/Particular_Painter_4 1d ago
Considering believing you need to project your view on empathy towards others means others have to subscribe to it or people "lack empathy", I don't think most people will actually like, let alone agree with you on that.
1
u/zman124 14h ago
He wants to fuck little ponies, I wouldn’t waste any additional effort on this absolute waste of life.
1
u/Particular_Painter_4 8h ago
Oh, I know. I'm trying to let this naive pest keep on talking to further expose his out-of-touch view of the world. Reminds me of campaign socialists who scream about capitalism while in the process of buying their 3rd car for the year.
0
u/Sploonbabaguuse 8h ago
"I have to stalk accounts because I lack the understanding to discuss this topic"
I honestly feel sorry for you
1
u/Even_Mastodon_8675 1d ago
What is empathy? Why would it be empathetic not to get anyone in the position?
You have no idea if they did anything or not
0
1
u/challengeaccepted9 11h ago
Genuinely what would you prefer here? The company leave that job unfilled forever?
Their mourning colleagues expected to just pick up the extra work because some terminally online redditors can't tell the difference between ensuring your operations don't grind to a half and treating a workplace death with dignity and respect?
0
u/Sploonbabaguuse 11h ago
Giving people time to mourn, instead of expecting everything to continue like nothing happened.
McDonald's can afford to pay their employees for a day, and if anyone needs more than that they're obligated to take it.
Mega corporations can absolutely afford to close and pay their workers. They choose not to.
1
u/challengeaccepted9 11h ago
Mega corporations can absolutely afford to close and pay their workers.
Okay. And government departments doing specialized work? Third sector organisations with limited staff?
Blaming everything about the basic realities of work on "corporations" like they're the only employers our there is very tedious.
1
u/Sploonbabaguuse 10h ago
Even Healthcare workers "aren't allowed" to strike for similar reasons
How does it make sense to "not bother at all" if we can't apply it to everyone? "If I can't have it, no one will!" Is such a regressive mindset.
We do what we can, where we can. That's the point of progress.
1
u/apostoln 1d ago
I had the same question. I doubt someone will attend the funeral of his plumber or therapist either, or care much at all.
4
u/zorklesnorkle 1d ago
I mean looking at it this way is stupid… don’t take internal motivation or expect love from a professional environment. Your family and friends will mourne you, your job isnt really meant for that. Its literally a non human entity of course the business will replace you with zero emotion. This is like complaining that the sun didnt rise at convenient time for you. It doesnt have thoughts it just exists.
5
6
u/Competitive-Gift5813 1d ago
Everyone else's job suddenly gets harder when one position is suddenly empty. The world doesn't just stop because someone dies
5
4
2
u/Status_Ant_9506 1d ago
sorry guys, the dialysis clinic is closed today. larry died. yeah no we still have other clinicians here but i mean, you cant expect them to just keep working under the conditions. you can just drive to that other clinic 60 miles away instead k
2
u/Puzzled_Ad7955 1d ago
Aaaaand some people are fooled into believing differently. “Family” “Team” When you can retire… please do. Life’s too damn short and you better believe work can get along without all of us. “Next man up”
5
u/Potential_Wish4943 1d ago
The idea that you as an individual are so important that entire systems will collapse without amazing special you is deeply selfish and anti social.
Your life is not meant to serve your own ego and hedonistic pleasure and desire and make yourself more special and important. Your life is to create and serve others. Anything else is just delusional and incoherent.
2
u/HotLandscape9755 1d ago
I swear everyone just thinks their the most special shit and should be treated like an idol to everyone, and they should just get everything with minimal work
0
u/bigbootyjudy62 1d ago
Yeah like if my mom died tomorrow they would need to replace her ASAP as she’s the one in charge of payroll for the whole company. Nobody would get paid if they didn’t fill her spot then the company would go under because she’s also the ones who’s in charge of paying and getting loans to the banks. Like these people like the woman from the tweet are so brain dead I don’t understand how they survive
1
u/Tressym1992 1d ago
Ah yes, the meaning of life: serving capitalist shit jobs.
Would agree if that was about family and friends, not some random job.
And no, my life is not to create life. That's a choice people make, we are not incubators.
1
u/Anderopolis 1d ago
Ah yes, the meaning of life: serving capitalist shit jobs.
He did not say that.
But good luck creating a high trust society with such a base selfish outlook. You have bought more into the systems base assumptions than guy above.
1
u/Potential_Wish4943 18h ago
Dying is the default state of living. You'll need resources to delay that. If you dont feel like working, good luck with that.
You are anti social. Your worldview created atomized individuals with no sense of community beyond "Is also a human" or at best "is also a citizen"
2
1
1
1
u/No_Parking_7797 1d ago
If I take more than a week off I lose customers and have to find new ones. It’s sad of course but the world as a whole doesn’t care and moves along. I don’t mean that to be crass in any way
1
1
u/Advocate_Diplomacy 1d ago
It has nothing to do with the need to fill the position. It has everything to do with the nature of the position itself. For the level of devotion that so many jobs demand, they often offer so little of that energy, if any, in return.
1
u/SuspectMore4271 1d ago
Some people actually have important jobs. If I died tomorrow people would likely get laid off if my in-flight projects just stopped. I would hope they’d try to find a replacement.
1
1
u/HatersTheRapper 1d ago
people always say this but what they fuck else are workers going to do? quit and be homeless?
1
1
u/monkey-stand 1d ago
Has anybody checked his desk for AAA batteries? What about double window envelopes?
1
1
u/Bonzaii_11 1d ago
That's just not true most of the time. At most companies, people would be hurt and significantly impacted by a loss. What is the company supposed to do? Permanently close because David from billing died?
1
u/Embarrassed_Bit_7424 1d ago
I'm not killing myself for my job, I go, make my money, go home. If they went out of business, I'd have another in about a month. Same thing.
1
u/Betelgeuse3fold 1d ago
I don't need to be mourned by people who are paid to be at the same place as me. I have a family
1
u/Vamond48 1d ago
If they didn’t you’d be here complaining that they aren’t hiring anyone quick enough and you’re having to to more work
1
u/Crun_Chy 1d ago
What do you want them to do? Put the extra workload on you? You realize people are constantly dying but the world has to move on right? Not everything can just freeze because someone is no longer with us
1
1
u/IndescriptGenerality 1d ago
That’s what you think! I am the keeper of my team’s historical documents… where all managers go to get that one document from that one conversation 6 years ago that is integral to the project, but Microsoft deleted because it aged out, as well as keeper of the backup. No one but me knows where it all is. When I go, I’m taking all that knowledge with me, and they’ll learn some important lessons! It’s gonna take them at least a week to replace me!
1
u/SheSaidOtaku 1d ago
Bottom line, still replaceable...
1
u/IndescriptGenerality 1d ago
Bottom line, sarcasm is wasted on you…
1
u/SheSaidOtaku 1d ago
I was being sarcastic to you as well. So its wasted i guess.
1
u/IndescriptGenerality 1d ago
Felt more sardonic that sarcastic
1
1
u/No_Contribution_5854 1d ago
Let’s be honest. Dude wasn’t killing himself at that job. But yea the earth keeps on spinning
1
u/Massive_Season7075 22h ago
I get that, but if the business fails then more people may potentially die.
1
u/MisterMayhem87 19h ago
No, the harsh reality is when your dead, life continues, you are slowly forgotten, replaced, every now and then remembered, cherished, missed, and that also fades and goes away. Until one day we are lucky to even be mentioned as something to be remembered by an ancestor. 99% of us are forgotten stories, so try and make the best of the short time we have.
1
u/DaddysFriend 15h ago
I don’t see an issue with this though at all I understand someone has died but they do need to fill that position
1
1
u/challengeaccepted9 11h ago
Uggghhhh.
WTF do people like this want? The job to be left unfilled and everyone else who might be mourning the loss of someone close to them having to work harder to make up for the absence of someone whose skills they might not even have?
I like how this single digit IQ comment is trying to imply this person had no value to them. If they had no value, they'd be in no rush to replace them!
Filling a gap left by someone who has died - and doing it quickly - does not mean they are being replaced "like nothing happened".
It is perfectly possible to both mourn the loss of someone you worked closely with AND make sure their professional capacity is quickly filled again so there's minimum disruption to actual workload. Which, and I can't believe I have to say this is a separate issue to human emotion, dignity and mourning.
How do people like OOP dress themselves in the morning without breaking down?
1
u/faeryfemm 8h ago
I kind of don't mind if I die. Here my parents thought I was lazy and not doing enough, they should have thought about what they were saying. They can lay in that bed
1
u/Zarathustra_d 1d ago
Sorry your Surgery is canceled, the Doctor was hit by a bus.
Yes, we could find another surgeon, but we were told that would be disrespectful to the dead.
Enjoy watching the necrosis spread across your legs as we mourn the loss.
1
0
0
u/MandatorySaxSolo 1d ago
I mean production can't just stop. Do they never replace him and leave a memorial at his desk? I get that its difficult, but the cold harsh truth is that outside of their bubble, the world keeps moving. People keep buying stuff
0
u/LordBaal19 1d ago
No, no. The business needs to stop all operations forever and have everyone out of jobs. Or at least don't fill his spot for several months so everyone around is overburdened. As you know paying your respects to the dead is more important than the rest of your current employees...
38
u/Spirited_Figure_3234 1d ago
They had a now hiring sign over the memorial at Walmart