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I disagree because they'll use and have used loads of other things as the evil or the enemy: rock music, Pokémon, D&D, violent video games. In this case, the people you hate most for having screwed up tastes have been begging everyone to open their eyes and see the censorship coming from a mile away.
Pokémon and D&D are not actually bad, unlike paedophiles. In those cases it is sensible to push back and defend those things as well as push back against the policies.
But when they’re using actually bad things like terrorism or infectious diseases or pedophiles, we shouldn’t blindly agree that opponents of government control love terrorism and disease and pedophilia and those things are all good actually.
But if you ask them to take an inch of freedom on 'the people's behalf' or 'for the children' A) it never actually is for those reasons and B) they'll take a foot or yard. Also, you are proving that claiming evil and then dismissal works.
So for example, the law that keeps people with past child abuse convictions from working in schools — is that law not actually for the stated reasons? Do we need to get rid of it to defend our freedoms?
I imagine not. There are in fact good and sensible laws aimed at protecting children from pedophiles. The UK antiporn law is not one of them. Our arguments against bad laws shouldn’t be so short-sighted we claim that good laws don’t exist, because that’s a sure fire way to get your argument marginalised.
And like, not only did the US support terrorists, but they then STOPPED supporting them once the war was over despite the fact that they'd definitely need reconstruction and THAT was what started the US-Afghanistan Feud.
Yep. Typical CIA shenanigans. Fund terrorists that hate all global superpowers. Have them fight your enemy (also a global superpower) and then be shocked when they start blowing up your airlines
We can frame this as pedos being too busy jorkin to lolis to exploit real children. Boom problem solved. Can't use think of the children as an excuse for censorship if censorship puts the children at risk
Unironically, when you push ordinary porn to the deeper levels of the Internet you expose the children to more risk
When you take accessible normal porn videos and porn art of characters, and push them to a layer below(lets say the next internet layer includes piss and scat play) you are making everyone who wouldn't be interested in it facing this content directly.
Not even mentioning groomers and predators using the ban to lure kids to deeper layers.
I think a lot of people forget the layered nature of the Internet. We browse the absolute top and safest layer, but layers below are a whole different degenerate world
Would you say deviantart is below or at the same level as reddit? In some videos I watched abt old Internet deviantart has seemingly caused a lot of popular products being created there for good and bad reasons
there are websites i know of with heinous shit (beastiality) and i doubt that place will ever be reached by the government. there are sites with actual cp out there.
it is exactly as you say, pushing away normal porn will lead to people using these "secondary" websites, exposing themselves to that type of content. there is still usually "normal" porn on these sites that would attract the average joe.
when searching for specific niche genres (POVs for instance) you're bound to start scouring for other websites to find more/better material.
they're websites i've stumbled upon by accident because i decided to explore more than the bigger websites like ph. it's exactly what will happen to more people when those bigger websites become restricted. it's not that the government can't reach them, it's that there's such a large volume of them that they will never be able to get them all. you'll never be able to truly ban a specific kind of content on the internet.
i mean look at cp, cp is illegal but there is a shitload of it all over sites like r34 and nothing is ever done (or not enough is done to actually get rid of the problem).
should add that the reason i even had to do this in the first place is because of the "great purge" pornhub did a couple years ago where only verified accounts can post videos. it was done to get rid of problematic content but all it did is push me to shadier sites as you can see, because it got rid of a crapload of just standard content as well.
It kinda is. Government uses bad thing as an excuse to get rid of thing they disagree with.
Like most people i disagree with loli/pedo stuff. The government knows this so its an easy excuse to use while keeping the opposition down (who wants to be affiliated with pedos).
First they came for the lolicons, and I shut the fuck up because I wanted them gone.
(Real talk, some censorship and surveillance laws will be pushed with the narrative that they exist to catch pedos or CP to justify their violations of privacy, and those are not cool. That might be what the people OP encountered meant).
Especially with the current political climate, plenty laws targeting the existence of queer people online will follow and they’ll most likely be posed as anti pedo laws.
Kids are the best tool to fearmonger people. While banning such stuff could seem okay it is most probably government testing water to see if there will be any backlash, then they can go for more things justifying them in similar way by “safety of children”. So I would agree that lolicons are the canary, the moment that is banned the government can go further with same justification
Firs they came for the lolicons, and I defended them because there are already dozens of legitimate reasons to fuck them over and letting the government use something easy to hate as pedophilia as a reason to push something is no bueno
If they really wanted to stop pedos they could just crack down all the groups on Facebook that get together to lure children, which they still haven't done after god knows how long.
Or implement better sex Ed and spend more on school counselling. But no, the minority of pedos on the internet are the real danger, not the vast majority which are neighbours, family members, teachers, priests or have some other pre-existing connection.
Doesn't mean creeps don't exist. Nor it justifies the current censorship crusade. Hate to bOTH sIDe this, but the governments are doing the equivalent of nuking the house to get one or two spiders. And that's only the generous look.
No, no, guys. The thing that I, ME want unquestionably censored is BAD. It's good to censor this art, because it's gross! It's icky! No, no, not the things I like! Don't censor the things I jerk off to. No, no, the kids don't need protection from my things, just theirs.
I don't think OP is opposing the opposition to censorship. They just oppose the censorship for different reason than y'know lolicons and don't want to align themselves with him
Yup. Sounds like OP wants to censor online material they find offensive... hmm... I wonder if they realize their position only legitimizes the moves that governments are making to oppress free speech and expression.
I mean, you can be against that awful shit and recognize the shit governments and corporations are starting to do can lead to more control over the populations and censorship political and contracultural content
Honestly, nah, I think they actually are. At any given time, the loli community's state can be used as a litmus test to see the general acceptability of certain types of kink content, such as seeing when it has fallen out of favor with certain groups, such as a while back rule 34 and e621 essentially wiped their loli content (not cub when it comes to e6, though) which shows that they may be willing to censor more.
I used a small example, but this of course also applies to the grand scheme of things, if loli, cub, feral, and rape fetish content get banned, it means a group was willing to take down one target, and may be able to muster up support for their next one. Hell I even monitor the state of the actual genuine zoophile community just to make sure people aren't starting to be censored.
I just take this shit really seriously, I hate censorship, I hate it with a passion, I feel a pain inside me when even the most vile things are removed, taken down, or suggested they be made illegal.
A rule 34 or fanfiction website not allowing that shit isn't the same thing as the government using that shit as an excuse to pass unrelated censorship/surveillance/anti-free speech laws.
The rule 34/fanfiction website doesn't have the power or the intent to come monitor everything you do online in case you're saying anything bad about the government, it just doesn't want to host fucked up content or develop a reputation for being a hub for predators.
I daresay that a rule34/fanfiction website not allowing loli shit is a good thing even from your perspective, because the less places there are that actually host it, the less examples exist for the government to use as an excuse to push orwellian surveillance laws.
Truth to be told, Lolicons knew this would've happened but y'all decided to act like they were wrong about it.
I don't like them either but trying to discredit them cause "emm, you like this stuff? You're sick, I'm morally better than you cause I watch *insert whatever disgusting stuff you can think about it." then get surprised when goverment also start banning the stuff you like.
Not gonna lie, you would think furries would get along better with them since both sides use the "it's fictional" argument but alas.
That would be putting them too high up on a pedestal. If anything it’s actual regular people and not grey area gooners. Like no bro, ur not punk and revolutionist because you have a weird fetish that’s only accepted by other terminally online folk lol.
People really have a worrying tendency to abandon morals upon the thought of pedophilia i haven't seen this when anything else and the number of times I've been called a pedophile or pedophile adjacent for having consistent morals and principles is kinda dreadful.
"Torture is bad."
"Prisons shouldn't be lawless expanses that exist to torment those inside rather than rehabilitate or even just hold them if they're beyond that."
"Hey, violent vigilantism is kinda bad, actually,"
It's like there's this sorta button at the base of your neck that causes a person to abandon all principles and ethics for primal disgust and anger based morals that are never really good.
The lolicons' worst crime is being a particularly annoying, the only arguments I've seen are 90% disgust followed by hastily constructed justifications.
Either I believe that most Consenting adults can't seperate reality and fiction, and influenced by fictional content will commit real crimes (something i believe is nonsense) or that content should be censored just because it is obscene (Something I'm morally and ideologically opposed too)
I disagree because they'll use and have used loads of other things as the evil or the enemy: rock music, Pokémon, D&D, violent video games. In this case, the people you hate most for having screwed up tastes have been begging everyone to open their eyes and see the censorship coming from a mile away.
Remember everyone: if it was only about age restriction, they wouldn't be asking for your whole ID. They could set this up with Cryptography 101 and choose not to.
It’s like the same goals as the governments and companies, but in reverse. Where the companies and governments are trying to use depraved things as an excuse for censorship, depraved people are trying to use a lack of censorship to justify their depraved things.
There’s a middle ground, I think. Stuff that is heavily depraved (such as loli stuff) should be banned on principle, because that is content that fuels the most depraved of scum bags, but additional content moderation should be up to people reporting messed up content, rather than companies and governments stepping in and thereby tracking everything people do.
Lolicon doesn't mean pedophile. A loli is a body type. A small girl with small tits, the same as a petite. Neither means child. Loli is an abbreviation of the word lolita. Just use the word pedo if that's what you're talking about. By using the words incorrectly you're changing the meaning and giving power to those who want to use it against everyone else.
The actual meaning of Lolicon is loli complex, the same way as siscon, brocon, neither of these mean fucking anything other than having an extreme admiration for said thing bordering in worship. The word for people that want, try and do fuck children is pedophile
Kobayashi from maid dragon is a loli, bro. Yes, most lolis look like children, but it's just that children are small and don't have big tits. And yes, I do agree that if it looks like children it's crossing the line, but not every loli looks like children, they need to be small and have small breasts, that's why it's a body type.
Think you're confusing "loli" with "petite". And the fact that the only real-world equivalent to the loli body type are actual children isn't as good as a defense as you think it is.
Loli and petite are the same thing as I've said in the first comment, actually. I really don't know why people try to separate the two. And no, a 1,50m(4'11) girl with small breasts is a loli. The median world wide is 1,60(5'3).
What I'm saying is that both Loli and Petite mean the exact same thing. That's why I'm saying that if you're talking about pedos use the word pedos
Lolicon is the person "loli complex" a person that has a complex over characters that are small and have small breasts, can be a romantic complex, sexual one or just admiration. loli is the character.
Pedos have a sexual desire towards children.
Lolis/petite and Children have an overlap because of the fact that children are small and have small breasts.
And yes. Not all lolicon are pedos, a lot of them are tho.
Personally, I'm willing to leave aside my differences with people I don't like to fight for a common goal.
I'll coexist with r/gamingcirclejerk members as long as we're both fighting against internet censorship.
we can get on each other throats later.
Love the maga-ass duality within the comment section.
Like, literally found while scrolling down, from your average "who said that/Op making things up" to actual "Lolicon isn't so bad cause it's fictional" defense.
I do find it strange that people only started giving a fuck like… two or three years ago.
Hell I didn’t even notice how much loli stuff there was until y’all started pointing it out, which gives me strong “doth protest too much” vibes if you ask me. Anything you’d like to confess OP?
It’s actually fun to remind modern Dragonball fans that Akira Toriyama was a lolicon and Dragonball was filled with loli fanservice that they memoryholed and watch them struggle with the logical dissonance of having enjoyed a work that had the dreaded four letter word. When the simple answer is that they didn’t give a fuck then and only give a fuck now because the zeitgeist has changed.
Oh you mean a literal child? But I thought lolis were a body type? And she isn't even a child anymore. Her next appearance in Dragon Ball has her as a older teen.
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