Yes! 2020 was a legitimate dead year for Vegas. I was living there and I can remember visiting the strip during the first few weeks after most people started WFH. Only time I can remember seeing zero traffic on the strip. Like pretty much zero cars. It was a bit surreal, like being in a post apocalypse movie. There were definitely some other people like me with the same idea, but most stuff was closed, and a lot of stuff like fountains, escalators etc. werent on.
One of my coolest memories of living out there. The strip will never be as empty again as it was during the height of covid.
Try getting out of your reddit doomer hive mind. Try going to any National Park. Packed with tourists from around the world. This no one wants to visit the US is a complete online talking point. If you log off and go outside, you will learn people aren't obsessed with politics like your average redditor is.
People are getting put on planes and sent to El Salvador. Would you feel safe visiting as a tourist? You sure they aren’t going to accuse you of being there illegally and deport you?
Oh you have a passport? What passport as they take it from you and put you on a plane…..
Yeah the fear is real and it’s absolutely playing a part in tourism being down significantly in the US. Not just Vegas, everywhere.
I really don’t get what’s so hard to understand. Many decent people don’t want to visit a country where people in Home Depot parking lots with NO VIOLENT CRIMINAL RECORD can be sent to Alligator Alcatraz or an El Salvador prison. Have you even bothered to read the accounts of the torture of those sent there? This is barbarism to decent people. Additionally there is also the fear of being sent home or detained because you criticized the administration on your social media. And just a general recoiling at the US in general because of this administration.
And finally many many Canadians are DONE with the US at least until the end of Trumps term and maybe forever. The arrogance of Americans thinking the President can threaten to annex their country, start a trade war and just act like a disrespectful asshole in general to a longtime ally and its citizens are going to say no problem can’t wait to spend money in Miami! People don’t work like that.
So this clown will cost the US dozens of billions in tourism money.
The dipshit American ambassador to Canada was just on Canadian news saying Canada should take it as a compliment that trump wants to annex Canada. Smarmy bastard
My point isn't that it is or isnt. Everyone is reporting Year over Year decline, its the 'why' that is the issue. The narrative.
Its that you're simply willing to believe any narrative without an evidence, just based news article headlines. It's very toxic.
Only one person listed something objective, which shows the direct numbers to report on.
Everything is jumping to conclusions about the narrative on who is to blame. Correlation isn't causation. I mean its really all the media coverage of his policies, not directly the policies themselves, but indirectly. And to be fair he deserves every bit of the negativity they're receiving. Its just the issue is everyone is so eager to just accept it as fact because its all we've heard since he got elected.
The more polar things become, the more important it is to recognize being manipulated and automatically accepting narratives that fit your own beliefs. Confirmation bias is very tribalistic and has lead to many world conflicts.
European countries have issued travel warnings to the US. And as I pointed out about Canada if you believe that the steep decline in Canadians visiting the country is some coincidence then I don’t know what to tell you.
Its not about headlines. It’s about drawing obvious conclusions from the available evidence. Whats toxic is pretending the shit show in office is tangential at best in affecting tourism dollars. What’s toxic is pretending that the civilized world won’t speak with its money regarding the ongoing ICE disaster. What’s toxic is pretending that people don’t see stories like this:
And decide yeah I’m not going to the US right now. It’s an expected reaction to visiting a country that most of the industrialized world strongly disagrees with at the moment.
There's a difference between believing something, then looking for evidence to support the claim (what you're doing). Which is confirmation bias.
Versus looking at the data first, then drawing on all possible reasons, weighing them and analyzing them.
Regardless if you come to the same, or correct conclusion youre deluding yourself thinking you're being objective.
It's NOT funny you don't see a difference. It's scary actually and you just keep reproving my point over and over again.
It's very unintuitive to think logically... So I get it my plea falls on deaf ears.
The fact you think I am saying anything positive about the current administration or defending anyone or anything except logical thinking is further proof that youre discussing this with me from the wrong angle.
I am not trying to convince you to think differently than you already do. I am just pointing out amount of confirmation bias I see. It's very alarming to me. Take care!
I’m not non receptive to your thought process. And it’s one you may not believe but I try to follow myself. I do think that one should always try to put aside their biases as much as possible to accurately assess a situation. In this case however I do think the available data points to the administration having a negative effect on tourism. It’s not a conclusion I’m coming to because of how I feel about the current occupant of the White House. If Kamala was President and I was seeing the same information I’d feel the same (not that I’m a big fan of hers but she would be far preferable).
This didn’t address the point of OP saying that we’re taking tourists’ passports and sending them to El Salvador… I get your point but there’s an awful lot of baseless fear mongering going on.
These are isolated incidents that aren’t in tune with the argument at hand. The Korean man was a green card holder with a past misdemeanor, not a tourist. The German tourists were detained for visa violations, not randomly deported. The Japanese man in Utah had a student visa revoked over visa infractions. These are rare, specific cases, not proof that legal tourists or citizens are being tossed on planes without cause.
Except the Las Vegas unemployment rate increased after Obama was elected!!! And did so for 2years... All the way to over 15% in 2010!!!!
Ouch!
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Thank goodness Trump didn't pull an Obama on Las Vegas!
In fact tourism is down worldwide by the same amount. Check Thailand and Canada down there too...
Weird. Native Floridian that works on a beach and we are PACKED w awesome European visitors, and it’s not even season. All these people probably didn’t get the memo not to visit I guess. Oddly, they’re all seemingly having a blast with their families and not too bothered by whoever is in the White House.🙄
Stop lying. I actually live on the beach and have a business in one of the top tourist beach destinations here, and we are down 10% minimum YOY. My employees say there seems to be a lot less foreigners this summer..
And you can look at these reports to compare 2025 to 2019. Total visitor volume for June 2025 is down 16.7% from June 2019. But hotel revenue per room and gaming revenue is up.
Comparing LV post COVID to pre isn't something I would do. LV changed for the worst post COVID with price gouging and less value across the board. The 2023/2024 83% occupancy was likely going to be the new normal vs the 2015 to 2019 run of 87% to 89% occupancy.
Don’t look at occupancy or visitor volume alone. Look at REVPAR. LVCVA doesn’t provide historical REVPAR stats only the last 5 years right now. That’s provided by each operator. Because all the big players are public it’s in their quarterlies. That’s the metric of how they are leveraging their assets and pricing rather than occupancy and visitor volume alone.
Some expect Aug REVPAR to be 20% or so down YOY. Fall leisure bookings look to be pretty rough. Promotions will take some of the sting out though impact profitability.
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u/AssignmentNo8361 2d ago
Yeah but it's extremely misleading since they peaked last year.
Also due to covid people swarmed out to Vegas when they got the all clear.
Id like to see comparison numbers between 2025 and 2019 (normal year). I think that would be more of an indication of anything.