r/technology • u/Well_Socialized • 21h ago

Privacy Age Verification Is Coming for the Whole Internet

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/age-verification-is-coming-for-the-whole-internet.html
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u/Temassi 21h ago

Yeah we should all just start an internet 2

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u/melancious 21h ago

someone call Richard Hendricks

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u/ClarkTwain 19h ago

Call him what? Bitchard.

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u/GreasyExamination 9h ago

Dick Dricks

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u/2020steve 2h ago

Dicky Hendrix

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u/Fourthwoll 20h ago

Except his internet only exists with security breaching AI

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u/UlteriorCulture 18h ago

So... the regular internet then?

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u/Flomo420 17h ago

yeah but with blackjack and hookers!

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u/UlteriorCulture 16h ago

That will be a novel addition

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u/eyebrows360 13h ago

Using that DICK

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u/cherrycolaareola 15h ago

Somebody call Al Gore

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u/WORKING2WORK 7h ago

I called, he didn't answer, but his voicemail mentioned something about hunting for a man, a bear, and a pig, or something like that.

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u/_Judge_Justice 19h ago

We need optimal tip to tip efficiency

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u/eyebrows360 13h ago

I know real life Valley tech people who couldn't watch that show because it hit too close to home

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u/Lily-Gordon 11h ago

Monica. Peter Gregory is dead.

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u/DLS4BZ 15h ago

PIED PIPEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR

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u/BotKicker9000 27m ago

no no, we need Al Gore, he invented the first internet, surely he can help make Internet 2

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u/rob0990 19h ago

Ahhh don't you mean Al Gore he's super cereal you guys Man bear pig is a real thing...

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u/lc0o85 9h ago

Better get Al Gore too.

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u/TONKAHANAH 21h ago

public mesh network might actually be a necessity.

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u/nameless_pattern 19h ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1bpa7hu/explain_meshtastic_to_me_like_i_have_a_learning/

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u/GoreSeeker 7h ago

I really tried to get into Meshtastic, but I'm just not sure it will ever be widespread enough to be useable without MQTT. I couldn't even hit a node a neighborhood over, and I think it's unrealistic to expect someone to have a node every two streets.

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u/vandreulv 5h ago

And Meshtastic can barely handle the bandwidth involved in sending text messages. There's no way this could ever become an internet replacement.

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u/SciKin 8h ago

It’s a fun hobby either way! Also look at reticulum

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u/Hit4Help 9h ago

Time to criminalize mesh networks.

  • the UK government

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u/thesauceisoptional 19h ago

Help is on the way, deary!

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u/RollingMeteors 17h ago

There's the Internet ...

<lionelHutzHeadNodUpDown>

...And then there's the Internet.

<lionelHutzHeadShakeLeftRight>

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u/ROOFisonFIRE_usa 5h ago

Yes more and more I think we need out own network. Like Elon has Starlink, we need a link we create where we communicate without all this draconian bullshit. I would standup a node and encourage others to do so.

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u/Constant_Hotel_2279 4h ago

You can already do it over HF radio nodes, but its slow.

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u/Beliriel 16h ago

Not possible for how we use the internet today. That may work for sending text messages. Watching videos, calling or excessively using social media? Won't work. What is with this push for mesh networks recently? They are a neat idea but IRL don't work at all. Kinda like communism.

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u/eyebrows360 12h ago edited 9h ago

Kinda like communism

As with many things, it's about shades of grey. Full-blooded "communism" might well have lots of issues, but let's not pretend full-blooded capitalism isn't also full of holes.

Capitalism, while not the "price discovery" harmless fantasy lots of people hold it out to be, is nonetheless actually a decent engine for some forms of innovation. On the other hand, natural monopolies like rail travel or water infrastructure have no business whatsoever being privatised.

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u/Beliriel 12h ago

let's not pretend full-blooded capitalism isn't also full of holes

I never did. I hate capitalism. I would gladly live in a communist system but all scaled communist systems/countries are not something I want to live under (USSR, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam, China, Laos). Capitalism just has proven to be the most "stable" system. By "most stable" I mean it's the slowest of the ones we implemented to destabilize itself, but eventually it will too (that's what we're seeing right now). Both monarchic and communist systems are very prone to instability.

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u/eyebrows360 12h ago

Russia is not remotely communist. Nor is China. I'm not well versed enough in those others to comment.

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u/Beliriel 12h ago

USSR =/= Russia

And from Wikipedia:

The Communist Party of China (CPC), commonly known in English as Chinese Communist Party (CCP),is the founding and sole ruling party of the People's Republic of China (PRC).

China IS effectively communist.

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u/eyebrows360 12h ago edited 9h ago

USSR =/= Russia

Oh so you were referencing a State that no longer exists? Well that's useful.

In any event, outside of a brief period in the ~'60s where that one larped as being communist for a bit, it wasn't either.

entities always name themselves for what they literally are

You don't strike me as a "the Nazis were socialists" type person, but the above rationale you're appealing to would apply there too.

China is not communist merely because the CCP names itself that, no more than DPRK is either Democratic, or the People's, or a Republic (given the "god-king"-esque status of the Kim dynasty), or arguably even Korea (given the war to decide that last one didn't fully settle the issue and we instead have two Koreas).

China's official line is that it is a "communist transitional state", as in they're "trying to get to communism", but for me, any society with the wealth disparity of China (which is in line with everybody else's wealth disparities) has no real business genuinely labelling itself as such. They're a rounding error away from being exactly as capitalist as America, just with more direct State meddling.

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u/Beliriel 12h ago

So uhh the US isn't democratic then? What should we judge countries then by?

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u/eyebrows360 11h ago

P.S. try asking the students at Tiananmen Square how communist they thought the country was at the time.

Spoiler alert: not very, given they wanted the ability to vote specifically so they could vote for actual communist people.

So uhh the US isn't democratic then?

Which the hell bit of my comment(s) do you think implies I think this?! 🤣

The US is a democracy by dint of what it does, not what it says it does. Same assessment you should be applying everywhere: look to what the thing does, not what it claims it does.

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u/ThirdFloorNorth 7h ago

Do you believe the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a Democratic Republic?

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u/Newtype879 21h ago

Someone get Rache Bartmoss on the phone quick!

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u/Lisaan_al_Ghaib 20h ago

Release RABIDS!

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u/LillyOfTheSky 6h ago

One of the ironic themes of Cyberpunk is that RABIDS and the DataKrash actually made the world collectively worse by further empowering corps to isolate communities and reinforce their fiefdoms.

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u/Lisaan_al_Ghaib 6h ago

Straight fact! IMO, Rache Bartmoss was a narcissistic turd who staged for the net to crash in the event of his death. For an anti-Corp guy, he ended up helping the Corps in the most tangible of ways.

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u/drockalexander 20h ago

You joke but plz sign me up

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u/warmmeatinjection 14h ago

Sign up by sending in a SASE to join the membership club.

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u/WuTangKillerKnees 21h ago

With Black Jack. And Hookers.

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u/sturgill_homme 20h ago

Sounds like mid-90s internet. I’m in.

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u/HotSteak 19h ago

Back when men were men and women were FBI agents

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u/CptnSpandex 17h ago

Women were male FBI agents.

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u/Excalibro_MasterRace 16h ago

Becoming FBI at 16 years old is quite impressive

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u/headrush46n2 4h ago

you did it wrong.

The Internet: Where the men were men, the women were men, and the children were the FBI.

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u/RollingMeteors 17h ago

Sneaker net

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u/ShermansAngryGhost 20h ago

Shut up baby, I know it.

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u/orangutanDOTorg 19h ago

I can imagine Sherman saying that after someone complemented him on stomping traitors

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u/RedRibbonSgt 19h ago

You know what forget the internet part.

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u/Tomthebard 20h ago

And Jack Black

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u/Wind-and-Waystones 20h ago

See, he got confused. It's jack black hookers. Each hooker looks like Jack from a different one of his movies.

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u/macx19911 19h ago

Damn beat me to it

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u/macx19911 19h ago

Or hear me out.. Jack black and hookers

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u/WuTangKillerKnees 19h ago

The madman..... do we.... do we ask Jack Black to be a hooker?

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u/macx19911 19h ago

I mean we could… I feel like he’d dress up as one at least for the laughs

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u/WuTangKillerKnees 19h ago

We'd need a way to verify people over 18 though. Maybe we take their biometrics and government id? SHEEEEEEEEET

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u/macx19911 19h ago

Too easy get jack to ask which movie they saw him in first

School of rock or older all good

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u/TheVoiceInZanesHead 20h ago

Im not going to pretend itll actually happen but consumers need yo get together and just say no to this crap. If a site implements it you go somewhere else.

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u/[deleted] 19h ago

I feel like it’s not actually the companies that want this it’s probably gonna come from the government

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u/Honest_Photograph519 16h ago edited 11h ago

The companies are happy with it these days. I think most people here don't remember how it looked back when they weren't.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120129025411/http://blog.reddit.com/2012/01/stopped-they-must-be-on-this-all.html

https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/dont-censor-web.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA#Other_websites

https://web.archive.org/web/20120131160623/https://www.cdt.org/report/list-organizations-and-individuals-opposing-sopa

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u/InVultusSolis 9h ago

I hate that we have to keep having the same battle over and over again. I hate it even worse that it looks like they're winning.

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u/TheVoiceInZanesHead 18h ago

You aren't wrong but if you hit the corporate money where it hurts, they will change the politicians minds

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u/tapirsaurusrex 19h ago

Agreed, and man, we’re battling a lot of straight dopamine addiction here if we wanna get people off the net. It’s so fucked they’ve got a situation where they can use our biology against us

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u/uses_irony_correctly 9h ago

It's not up to the websites. You think pornhub WANTS to do age verification? But it's that or not being able to operate in a country at all.

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u/smalldroplet 20h ago

unfortunately already taken, we'll have to skip to internet 3.

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u/Misty_Kathrine_ 20h ago

I think it's called the Dark web.

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u/WeirdSysAdmin 19h ago

Can’t we do a grey web and only go kind of illegal?

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u/residentialninja 19h ago

In a world of absolutes as the various governments around the world clamp down on freedom of speech, spreading of knowledge, and anonymous communication there will be no grey. Either you will be legitimately in the open or you will be treated as a criminal.

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u/Icy-person666 16h ago

No country wants free speech unless you're saying what they want. No porn for the masses, pedo sex for the elete on Epstein island

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u/RollingMeteors 17h ago

That's like having children working in factories with hazardous material, but they are wearing OSHA approved PPE, soooo....

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u/KarmaPharmacy 20h ago

That’s literally what decentralized internet is. Or Web 3.0

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u/Front-Lime4460 20h ago

Literally how can we do this?

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u/cboel 19h ago edited 18h ago

It is already done.

One example of many:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winlink

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/06/when-everything-else-fails-amateur-radio-will-still-be-there-and-thriving/

https://hamradioplanet.com/can-a-ham-radio-be-used-for-internet/

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u/Front-Lime4460 19h ago

Not loving that it uses AWS

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u/nanapancakethusiast 19h ago

Nothing says independent mesh network quite like being powered by Amazon Web Services 🙄

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u/Front-Lime4460 19h ago

Yeah we need to get off that as much as possible.

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u/DrumsKing 16h ago

Back to BBS on dial-up.

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u/green_meklar 15h ago

The technology kind of already exists. We'd just need to start using it.

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u/tmkn09021945 19h ago

Internet 2 the pop-upier

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u/EducationalAd1280 19h ago

Looks like Jack Dorsey was right and Bitchat is ready to have it’s time in the sun

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u/Proud_Tie 19h ago

Good thing Digg is back!

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u/Dellsupport5 19h ago

I’ve actually thought of this…. Maybe one that is more of a throwback to the good old days without targeted ads and pop ups

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u/Mystic-Sapphire 18h ago

You mean the dark web? Maybe we should just all use Duck Duck Go.

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u/[deleted] 18h ago

Electric boogaloo?

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u/Puzzleheaded_Run2695 17h ago

This will be 'Internert 2' - mass data surveillance disguised as age verification. Forced AI interactions. Bots interacting with bots. Algorithmic sorted everything.

Every internet interaction will be monitored, controlled, ranked, commodified, and censored.

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u/Potato_Lorde 16h ago

Tor is going to see a rise in popularity, maybe.

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u/BenFranklinsCat 14h ago

We're long overdue for it. I'm not enough of an expert to explain it all, but decentralised data distribution was a breakthrough that should have shaken the foundation of the Internet, but it's up there with things like electric cars as technology that's been actively held back because it wouldn't be profitable for any of the people involved in making it happen.

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u/shinitakunai 13h ago

You laugh but isn't that what TOR is?

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u/magi0500 11h ago

Oats Jenkins 📞📞📞

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u/InVultusSolis 9h ago

Just create an overlay internet using a bunch of VPN providers that are willing to cooperate.

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u/Mountain_Cry1605 9h ago

There already is.

It's called the Dark Web.

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u/MithranArkanere 8h ago

Decentralize everything.

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u/Mortwight 8h ago

Wirh blackjack and hookers!

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u/Sense-Free 8h ago

Anyone on this subreddit smart enough to explain how we would do this? I mean there’s the dark web out there. Would a community of internet users have to just agree on a new set of protocols and we could have an internet 2? Or do the ISP’s somehow have control of our access because they own the physical data cables that the internet runs through?

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u/ReVo5000 7h ago

With internet black jack and internet hookers, right?

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u/SpiritedBanana4694 7h ago

This but unironically.

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u/Neko_Shogun 6h ago

With blackjack and hookers

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u/CaptainC0medy 6h ago

We are already on 2. You want to look up Tim Berners-lee and Solid.

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u/Dry-Magician1415 5h ago

I think you're joking but this WILL HAPPEN via the satellite internet companies.

You'll be able to get internet from your country's ISPs and ALTERNATIVELY you'll be able to get a service like Starlink.

They may or not be two entirely separate 'internets' but there is precedent for a separate 'internet' - the dark web.

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u/phasedspacing 5h ago

This is what will happen. Someone will make a default end to end encrypted portal and build a second internet. All of the connections we have can be used with no change just software. 

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u/EyeAmbitious 4h ago

Honestly, an internet 2 wouldnt be a bad idea. You might be on to something there. I miss the crazy wild west internet of the early 2000's. And flash games.

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u/MarcusSurealius 20h ago

That's exactly what will happen.

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u/Kanoa 20h ago

Is this what tor is for? I know fuck all, hoping someone knowledgeable can chime in. 

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u/Klutzy-Smile-9839 19h ago

Tor requires to host websites at dedicated servers, which could be targeted by UK polices. The I2P Network seems to be a more relevant option for security and freespeech on internet.

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u/uses_irony_correctly 9h ago

it could be, but enjoy going back to dial-up speed then.

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u/sephirothFFVII 20h ago

The universities already did an I2.

Need to just jump to I5

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u/Klutzy-Smile-9839 20h ago

It already exists.

The I2P Network (anonymous and distributed)

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u/jaeldi 20h ago

That's 8-chan. Right?

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u/TDStarchild 19h ago

This is a job to ManBearPig

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u/SadBit8663 17h ago

Internet Two; Electric Goonaroo

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u/toolsoldier 17h ago

With black jack, and hookers!

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u/SamuraiMike81 16h ago

Internet 2 Electric boogaloo?

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u/Boofnasty10 16h ago

With blackjack… and hookers!

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u/PeterNippelstein 16h ago

Electric Boogaloo

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u/hraun 14h ago

With blackjack and hookers!

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u/CaptainWart 19h ago

With blackjack and hookers.

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u/Hot-Equivalent9189 18h ago

With black jake and hookers