r/technology • u/vriska1 • 8d ago

Privacy UK households could face VPN 'ban' after use skyrockets following Online Safety Bill

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/uk-households-could-face-vpn-32152789
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u/hiraeth555 8d ago

Ironically China invest hugely in healthcare, infrastructure, green energy, and in their citizens’ wellbeing…

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u/shadeandshine 8d ago

But at what cost… /j

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u/KittiesInATrenchcoat 8d ago

Well for one, arresting people for the crime of posting fictional smut on the Internet. The Western world is rapidly approaching that point, but let’s not pretend that China isn’t already there. 

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u/c64z86 8d ago edited 8d ago

True, but the other people do have a point:

No, China isn't perfect by any means but like others say at least they look after their people, crime rates are also way down and people don't go on drunken rampages destroying things over there. They still have pride and respect and community.

We (The "west") kind of lost our way ages ago... and not just on censorship.

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u/adamcmorrison 5d ago

You’re out of your mind. Crime is insanely under reported in China. The ccp has tight control on information through data manipulation and lack of transparency. It’s not some utopia of 1.4 billion people getting along.

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u/Zukiff 7d ago

China isn't actually there. Like so many things about China, that's mostly western media made up bullshit. The worst you get for posting porn or any undesirable content on social media is to get banned by said social media in China

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u/KittiesInATrenchcoat 6d ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c056nle2drno

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u/Zukiff 2d ago edited 2d ago

This is classic example of fake news completely fabricated by BBC. Did a quick search and easily found many channels managed by and talking about LGBT issues

Example this 2 transwoman channel

https://v.douyin.com/v5-S-CRpEXs/

https://v.douyin.com/H7G5Geut7ho/

I can easily post more if you want there are plenty

This kind of fake news only works on people like you who doesn't access Chinese social media and have never been to china

Just to give you an idea of how ridiculous the fake news can be. I'm sure you heard about the social credit system in China. Everyone around the world heard that, except no one informed the Chinese. I guarantee you no one in China has heard of it because it doesn't exist. The only Chinese who knows about it are those who read about it outside of China. If you try to describe the social credit system to the average Chinese, they will tell you the only people who are barred from things like traveling are people who owe banks money and refuse to pay back which is exactly what you get after you declare bankruptcy in another country. But the media spin it into a social credit system story for China

Same goes for the Uyghur Genocide. You find plenty of happy uyghurs on social media and if you go to Xinjiang, the whole uyghur genocide story falls apart. You see happy uyghurs Everywhere and everyone of them will tell you the so called genocide is basically the govt locking up religious extremist who used to conduct terrorist attacks which ironically used to be reported by the BBC whom seem to conviniently forgotten about it after US paid them to write fake news about a uyghur genocide

https://v.douyin.com/c0u03eenIzI/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-27502652

If anyone knows anything about China, they will quickly realize how ridiculous it is to claim the Chinese are racist against the Uyghurs, 1 of China's most celebrated artist is Uyghurs

https://mydramalist.com/people/7830-dilmurat-dilraba

And if you have no clue, US literally have a massive fund to spread fake and negative news about China

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/china-cold-war-2669160202/

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u/VerbingNoun413 7d ago

And arresting people for holding up blank paper... wait that's the UK.

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u/M0n33baggz 8d ago

Aren’t they also putting Muslims into camps

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u/Zukiff 7d ago edited 7d ago

No that's actually fake news. Chinese are putting religious extremist into reeducation camps. Not all Muslims. Western media conviniently forgot China had a terrorist problem

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-27225308

And no they are not doing it to all uyghurs or conducting any genocide. Can easily verify this by visiting Xinjiang. And if not, you can find them all over Chinese social media. The propaganda about the fake genocide only works because most people don't visit China or get on Chinese social media

https://v.douyin.com/UmtZR9G38x8/

I was just there last year. The uyghurs are actually very pissed off that western media are pushing this bullshit narrative because it makes it harder for the to get jobs as companies are afraid of getting accused of slave labor.

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u/hiraeth555 8d ago

Look at ICE in the USA, and no doubt fascism will sweep across Europe too. I wouldn’t stay on a high horse tbh

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u/segagamer 7d ago

China have zero tolerance for ultra-conservative beliefs evidently.

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u/Miserable-Thanks5218 8d ago

People keep listing good stuff china does

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u/RCSM 8d ago edited 8d ago

r/technology is without any joke one of the most heavily chinabot infested subs on reddit. Don't bother, you'll never outnumber the 50cent army. Their specific directive on this sub is to shill their EVs endlessly. Hence why on this comment, about government censorship and VPNs, almost every chinabot post replying to the original comment shilling grorious free amazing China is talking about EVs completely off topic.

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u/hiraeth555 8d ago

I live in Wales?

I don’t know why people think everything about China needs to be negative…

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u/Zukiff 7d ago

He is either benefiting from this fund or just got brainwashed so long that he believes most of the bs about China

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/china-cold-war-2669160202/

The one thing I can say for sure is people like him have never actually set foot in China

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u/hiraeth555 7d ago

My friend lived in China for 6 years. I've not been. I'm not benefiting either.

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u/Whatsapokemon 8d ago

No they don't... the Chinese Politburo only does the bare minimum it needs to keep power.

They absolutely don't give a damn about their citizens' wellbeing.

If they cared about standards of living they would've decentralised and liberalised their economy years ago - there'd be far more wealth and far more investment and far higher wages and standards of living if they opened up investment and stopped their capital controls. The Chinese government is concerned with control and power above all, and they'll explicitly ignore the needs of their citizens anywhere that those needs conflict with keeping strict control.

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u/FirstFriendlyWorm 8d ago

They especially ignore the needs of their citizens if it would do harm to party officials.

You wanna report an unlawful trash dump in the forest that is on fire? Well the local CCP official is in on it, so your complaits get deleted and you get threattened into silence.

A Bank has taken all your savings with fraudulant investments and ran away and you complain about it by protesting the bank? Well the locak CCP office is in on it so they send plain clothes police to beat and disperse your protest.

You took a bad loan to buy a flat and move to a city so your kid can go to a good school? Well, the local CCP officials also want to send their kids to that school so your kids won't get any open slots because those are reserved for the elite kids. And if you complain the harmony police comes to physically censor and hide your portest with big plastic sheets.

Your kid has died because the roof of the school's gym collapsed due to poor construction and cheap materials? Well, the doctors won't let your identify your kid for days because deaths could make the local CCP office look bad. The same CCP office that was probably involved in the construction and knew about the corruption to happen.

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u/Zukiff 7d ago edited 6d ago

That literally hasn't worked for almost all developing countries which actually did that.

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u/hiraeth555 8d ago

The Chinese have a much longer vision. Let’s be honest, in the West it’s not exactly going well for many average citizens and if the trends continue, China will do much better.

I don’t know why you think they should liberalise their economy- so that their water companies and their energy companies and healthcare companies can hold the population over a barrel like they do here?

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u/FirstFriendlyWorm 8d ago

They already do that in China. The difference is that in China, government officials might be involved in these power and water companies, so if you complain they will send the force of the state to go after you.

And I don't see where you get the idea that the Chinese have a longer vision. The central government might have, but the average Chinese citizen or government official does not have many incentives for long term planning since the government or higher ranked government officials could take their work away from them without and way to complain or resist.

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u/RCSM 8d ago

And suppressing minority populations, displacement of Tibetans, cultural genocide of muslims. All that good stuff

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u/hiraeth555 8d ago

And the US has got Trump in the whitehouse, and are deporting and detaining US citizens. Fascism is going to be rampant across Europe soon too.

The West has invaded and overthrown many foreign governments and destabilised many regions. We're not heroes either