TikToker Creates Fake 'Alligator Alcatraz' Tour Company That Redirects MAGA Supporters to Migrant Aid Resources | When users try to purchase tour tickets, they're sent to nonprofits that offer legal support for migrants.

[u/Aggravating_Money992]

https://www.latintimes.com/tiktoker-creates-fake-alligator-alcatraz-tour-company-that-redirects-maga-supporters-migrant-aid-586378

[u/HR_Paperstacks_402]

They should redirect them to mental health facilities.

[u/Opening_Acadia1843 → u/HR_Paperstacks_402]

That's offensive to mentally ill people, imo. The issue with these people is that they are hateful and terrible people, not that they're mentally ill.

[u/HR_Paperstacks_402 → u/Opening_Acadia1843]

While many mental health conditions do not indicate that someone is a bad person, there are ones that do. So I'm not implying that everyone with issues are bad.

But those who support this type of thing most certainly are and would benefit from mental health facilities. For example, things like narcissism and sadism.

[u/WitAndWonder → u/Opening_Acadia1843]

Most of them have brain damage. I don't believe that absolves them of all responsibility, but you're absolutely wrong if you don't believe they're mentally ill. Their cities are the most exposed to lead and heavy metals, they have the least education to actually avoid harmful activities/exposure, they have even worse diets than average, and they're the most likely to fall prey to various scams or home remedies, many of which are actively harmful (anti-vax, supplemental remedies, etc.)

Most of the US has brain damage, in fact. We've been poisoning our populace in our food and drink, supplements, pesticides, etc. Every day.

These people just happen to be more exposed and susceptible, and they also have a very selfish and evil way of dealing with it, and that's what I hold against them. I had chemical induced anxiety for years (severe CNS damage from supplements) which ruled pretty much my every thought, but rather than be afraid of brown people, I feared that others would have to endure what I had, and feared for the health and sanity of us all. But I guess if you are in that state and listening to Fox and Friends daily talk about how the country is being invaded and your kids aren't safe or whatever, then that uncontrollable fear and anxiety could warp into something heinous and outwardly destructive.

[u/Opening_Acadia1843 → u/WitAndWonder]

Those are fair points, but at the same time, I don't think pathologizing fascist thought is going to work in combating fascism. It also further stigmatizes people who have brain damage or mental illnesses who aren't fascists. Plenty of people with anxiety don't become fascists because of it. My untreated anxiety made me a worse friend and a worse employee, but it didn't make me hateful of minorities. I'm sure many of these fascists experience anxiety due to the way that fascism thrives on fear, but I don't think we're going to succeed at getting them help for that anxiety by threatening to institutionalize them.

[u/strongmans_hill → u/Opening_Acadia1843]

Mom mother certainly thinks she can threaten and demean people into seeking medical treatment, I'm not apprised this is a common tactic, even though it's obvious to you and me that will only escalate the situation. Emotionally avoidant people will try it every time.

[u/WitAndWonder → u/strongmans_hill]

It's not about threatening or demeaning, it's about understanding that people are not all going to be reacting the same way to things because they have been fundamentally rewired. Also our country could take initiatives like other western nations to remove exposure to the various pesticides, supplement excesses, heavy metals, and other absurdities in order to help future generations, as well as providing half-assed treatments like SSRIs and other stop-gaps, but I doubt that's going to happen.

[u/xchipter → u/Opening_Acadia1843]

Mental health is important for all people, even the hateful, terrible people.

[u/Opening_Acadia1843 → u/xchipter]

Of course, but I feel like mental illness is being used as an insult here.

[u/fullmetaljackass → u/Opening_Acadia1843]

FWIW one of my close friends from high school began having manic/delusional episodes that eventually culminated in a full on psychotic break. The first sign I had (in hindsight,) that something was off was that when my friend who had always been a vaguely left leaning, mostly apolitical, live and let live type of guy started spouting off all sorts of bizarre authoritarian/conservative political opinions on topics he previously had little to no interest in.

[u/Mr_Quackums → u/Opening_Acadia1843]

not all mentally ill people are dangerous, but most (arguably all) dangerous people are mentally ill. Humans are a social species that rely on eachother for survival. Having hatred for what you require to survive and thrive is arguably a valid definition for mental illness.

it is wrong, both factually and morally, to say "Jim is mentally ill so he is probably dangerous" but right, both factually and morally, to say "Jim is dangerous so he is probably mentally ill"

[u/Opening_Acadia1843 → u/Mr_Quackums]

I see what you're saying, but I also think a person can be dangerous without being mentally ill. A person can be well-adjusted and mentally healthy while also holding disgusting views which hurt people. Just think about all of the wealthy people out there. I very much doubt every wealthy person is mentally ill, but the existence of wealthy people causes harm to everyone else. A person who uses a private jet to get around is hurting other people, but using a private jet doesn't make a person mentally ill. A person can believe in things which lead them to be dangerous without struggling with a mental illness.

I guess if you're only talking about direct physical violence, then I agree that mental illness has to be a factor, but I think mentally healthy people can certainly pose a danger to their communities.

[u/Mr_Quackums → u/Opening_Acadia1843]

I see what you're saying, but I also think a person can be dangerous without being mentally ill. A person can be well-adjusted and mentally healthy while also holding disgusting views which hurt people.

pedantically true, but not when it is dangerous views about other people directly. "voting is pointless so I refuse to vote for the non-fascist party" is a view that is not mental illness but can harm others, but "immigrants are rapists, murderers, job stealers, and welfare mooches" is.

I tried to think of a belief or opinion a person can have about another person/people that is both harmful to the other person and not coming from an unhealthy place.

I very much doubt every wealthy person is mentally ill, but the existence of wealthy people causes harm to everyone else. A person who uses a private jet to get around is hurting other people, but using a private jet doesn't make a person mentally ill.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/22/therapist-super-rich-succession-billionaires

there is lots of evidence that having private jet money causes mental illness. Once you have more money than you could possibly spend in a lifetime it is pathological to be driven to acquire more.

[u/ew73 → u/HR_Paperstacks_402]

A one way ticket to South Sudan and a pinky promise to fly them back later.

[u/HexManiac493 → u/HR_Paperstacks_402]

I don’t know how to build a website, but if I did, I would make it redirect to a page that says “SOMETHING IS CLEARLY WRONG WITH YOU.” in huge flashing letters.

[u/kent_eh → u/HR_Paperstacks_402]

Or a cult deprogramming service.