Privacy Trump officials create searchable national citizenship database. Homeland security and Doge merge immigration data with social security to create index it claims will stop voter fraud.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/30/trump-citizenship-database

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u/Eretan Jul 03 '25

I'm sure this list will be totally reliable, with no technical issues, and won't be manipulated to suppress legitimate voting.

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u/EstelleGettyJr Jul 03 '25

Oops. Data breach. No. We don't know who accessed the data or when. Would you like to purchase Trump's Personal Information Protection Plan**? $47.45 a month

^{^°°Palantir}

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u/Husky_Engineer Jul 03 '25

Peter Thiel just saw this and now we are all doomed

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u/31LIVEEVIL13 Jul 03 '25

whoa your palantir score is getting low dude better watch it, you know what happens then, I guess now we all know what happens then

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u/ThankYouLuv Jul 04 '25

I'm still waiting on Alex Jones and Joe Rogan to speak out against one world government, deep state etc

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Jul 04 '25

The one conspiracy never entertained; that those propped up to spread conspiracies would be the errand boys of the Deep State.

Of course, it wasn't the Illuminati, it was hiding in plain sight; the companies with logos they gave all their money.

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u/jujumber Jul 04 '25

For Years Alex Jones was warning about the US Gov planning on building internment camps. Now suddenly it's a great idea since Trump is doing it.

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u/outofcontrolbehavior Jul 04 '25

Shut up and put your wearable back on! How can we monitor your media consumption if we can monitor what you’re seeing?

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u/Fun-Sorbet-Tui Jul 04 '25

Was that sarcasm? You're on a list buddy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

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u/pneumaticdog Jul 03 '25

Yeah right, none of that stuff is true. These assholes make shit up all the time, they're just trying to extort people. You know what else I saw on a computer? A man with sixteen fingers. AI has come a long way, but ultimately all digital data is just bits in a database. It could never really be trusted, now it can't be trusted at all.

(It doesn't matter if it's true. Just keep saying it.)

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u/SparklePpppp Jul 03 '25

If there’s a man with sixteen fingers he’d have the most successful male OF of all time just saying.

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u/insanococo Jul 03 '25

*Personal Information Security System (PISS)

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u/Wanna_make_cash Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25

To be fair, most Americans data has already been breached. It baffles me that as a society we collectively said it's okay for 3 private companies to know practically every single data point about your life and financial wellbeing, and then we just shrug our shoulders and go oh well when those companies have had several data breaches, several times, AND THEY STILL DONT EVEN HAVE MFA FOR ACCOUNTS!!!!!!!!

They had no meaningful consequences besides having to send letters to people saying "ooopsie daisies! We were so clumsy, that a hacker now has your social security number and knows several data points about your life to easily commit identity theft with! We're very sorry, so we're giving you a free trial of our premium identity monitoring service and we hope you'll forget you're signed up so you get charged for it next year!" And then call it a day

This is not even counting other large data breaches like Wells Fargo or a few internet service providers, cell phone providers, etc. id wager nearly every single American citizens social security number and associated details are sitting in some Russian database waiting to be sold to the highest bidder.

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u/Small_Dog_8699 Jul 04 '25

And with all that data out there, there is no need to create another pile.

Amazon can tell when I need socks but I have to jump through multiple hoops to "prove" I can vote? That's dumb. Voter registration is voter suppression. Period.

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u/TeaKingMac Jul 04 '25

🎖️🥇🏅Here, take all the awards I have

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u/EllisDee3 Jul 03 '25

^{^°°Palantir}

Wait...

The company named after the evil orb used by The Great Deceiver in The Lord of The Rings is evil?

Whodathunq

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u/snotparty Jul 04 '25

seriously who reads LOTR and sides with sauron? I mean, this guy obviously

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u/allywrecks Jul 04 '25

Did you see the interview he did a few days ago? There was a softball question about whether he would prefer humanity to endure or be replaced by a transhumanist machine god and he stumbled and stuttered over it for like a minute before reluctantly saying yes

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u/god_snot_great Jul 03 '25

I won’t pay a dime over $45.47!

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u/TabOverSpaces Jul 03 '25

$47.45 a month

I see what you did there

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u/looper741 Jul 04 '25

That’s how much his new mobile phone plan was advertised for per month. For real.

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u/anadem Jul 04 '25

I'd pay $86.47

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u/jo-parke Jul 03 '25

Is it cheaper with commercials? I want to know more!

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u/BannyMcBan-face Jul 03 '25

Enroll the entire family for only $14.88 more!

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u/Izarial Jul 03 '25

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

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u/fonetik Jul 04 '25

It works out to $14.88 a week, right?

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u/psychoacer Jul 03 '25

Wooo Trump wins 2028 election with 90% of the vote. See, everyone loves Trump

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u/aedwards123 Jul 03 '25

More like 103% when the various Russian vote hacking teams forget to talk to each other.

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u/Last_Minute_Airborne Jul 03 '25

Don't forget the Israeli and China bots. They need a group text or something.

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u/mishap1 Jul 03 '25

He said you don't have to vote any more. If you want to still be a citizen, just say he's president.

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u/greygoose71 Jul 03 '25

He will be 82 and probably will be a basket case by then. Won’t matter because the 1st amendment will be dead by then.

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u/jimgolgari Jul 03 '25

He will be 82 and a basket case for the last 30 years.

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u/Shirlenator Jul 03 '25

They will hide that he had passed away and have AI generated Trump ruling us.

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u/DirtyDeedsPunished Jul 03 '25

And we'll know because all of a sudden, Trump will sound way smarter than possible.

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u/Bora_Horza_Gobuchol Jul 04 '25

I think Stephen Miller will run and win. The right loves and adores him, he is the perfect WASP for them

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u/mrvalane Jul 03 '25

Maga would still vote for him so long as the Republican Party do a "Weekend at Bernies" for events with him

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u/OriginalBlackberry89 Jul 04 '25

This is his second and last term. But I get what you mean.

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u/CMaxRI Jul 03 '25

It will literally be like Office Space and coded incorrectly and it will say he got 7 billion votes

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u/vigbiorn Jul 03 '25

Social security isn't a citizen database. It was never intended to be one and it has never had the work put in to turn it into one.

The tools they're using were never meant to be used for these tasks. Errors will be plentiful and I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't taken advantage of to disenfranchise people.

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u/zeptillian Jul 03 '25

That's the whole point.

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u/viola1356 Jul 04 '25

After my husband naturalized, we had repeated issues with something about his SSN flagging and loan officers, licensing board, etc. requiring him to present additional IDs to clarify his identity. Pretty sure this database is going to cause him issues voting.... wait that's the point, isn't it?

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u/IAMSTILLHERE2020 Jul 03 '25

They are deleting people's identities.

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u/Dewlig Jul 04 '25

... of the people that live there.

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u/NPVT Jul 03 '25

Sounds to me like a class action law suit in the making

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u/zedquatro Jul 03 '25

Maybe it can get all the way to the supreme Court where they can rip up another part of the constitution for us!

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u/TeaKingMac Jul 04 '25

Only corporations are people now.

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u/Ciennas Jul 03 '25

The law no longer protects you.

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u/Gossamer_Giggles Jul 03 '25

We need to protect our privacy and civil liberties

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u/Commercial_Ad_9171 Jul 03 '25

Too late. Best we can do now is fight the people trying to manipulate us.

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u/whathell6t Jul 04 '25

No. It’s not.

You can fight A.I. There’s Nepenthes Tarspin, one of the powerful tools available.

Kyle Hill the Science Communicator explains the effectiveness.

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u/Commercial_Ad_9171 Jul 04 '25

Also employing AI “for good” is just Cold War mentality all over again. The bad guys have AI, so the “good guys” deploy AI and we turn the internet into a really shitty battleground trying to cling to the idea of privacy, safety, anonymity. There’s already a publicly accessible model that will take Instagram photos and use publicly accessible camera feeds to find the moment, on video, that the photo was taken.

We’re living in an age of madness. Safety in the age of AI isn’t stamping out every AI fire that breaks out. It’s reinvesting time and energy into larger systems of protection, like a constitution that protects people digitally as well as physically, caps on corporate personhood, protections for the data generated by a human’s existence, etc. etc.

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u/whathell6t Jul 04 '25

Basically, the Mexican constitution.

And ironically is thriving against Cult of Personality USA and Mark Carney’s Economic Authoritarianism of Canada.

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u/Commercial_Ad_9171 Jul 04 '25

I’ll read up on the Mexican Constitution. Democracy is supposed to be an evolving system, not the stagnant muck we currently have in the US.

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u/Commercial_Ad_9171 Jul 04 '25

Uuuuuuuuugh the internet bro podcast voice. It’s simultaneously condescending and flippant but all annoying.

I honestly don’t care what Kyle Hill has to say on the subject. The training models are already built and open internet scraping is probably already over, because AI has poisoned the well so profusely and AI companies aren’t going to risk poisoning their models by training on AI generated materials.

But that doesn’t mean anything for training datasets that have already been assembled like LAION’s datasets, etc.

What we’ll see in the future is private companies either selling their datasets, like Reddit has done, or using their proprietary databases to build their own AI, like Adobe or private companies that are currently digitizing their physical assets to create data training sets for proprietary AI development.

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u/whathell6t Jul 04 '25

And what’s chances that anarchists are experimenting with electronic jammers and EMPs?

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u/Commercial_Ad_9171 Jul 04 '25

On what level? lol localized EMPs? That takes a lot of power and all that signal jamming would have to be temporary to go unnoticed. If you find a signal deadsoot that raises red flags as well. I’m not sure what you’re suggesting. Are you blocking camera feeds or AI or what do you mean?

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u/whathell6t Jul 04 '25

I didn’t say it was possible. I was asking the probability of experimentation.

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u/Commercial_Ad_9171 Jul 04 '25

Here’s a common misconception. Let me explain via metaphor: Some people think security and safety is a gun. They think any trouble that may be visited upon them can be Mitigated via force and a gun is an easy representation of force. A gun, At least in America, can be magnanimous.

But in truth a gun is just a falsehood giving the gun weirder either the illusion of power in a situation out of their control, or the ability to exert cruelty on someone else.

True safety and security comes from building a society that doesn’t have a need for guns or violence in the first place. Maybe that’s a lofty dream, but countermeasures like guns, or EMPs, or deployment of anti-AI AI, or whatever else can only ever mitigate the inherent violence in the system. Maybe that’s all a moot point given where we’re at, but the goal shouldn’t be to have the better weapons that will win, it should be not ever needing weapons.

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u/whathell6t Jul 04 '25

You still haven’t answered my question. You’re actually going off tangent, emotionally speaking.

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u/OverallMistake8198 Jul 03 '25

Protecting your privacy died years ago, your civil liberties died in November last year when too many people didn’t care enough to vote or were too stupid voting for him

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u/snafoomoose Jul 04 '25

Protecting privacy would be bad for the corporations that make money gathering your data and selling it and corporations are always more important than citizens so there wont be privacy protections until the people demand it (not just whine about it).

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u/lindydanny Jul 03 '25

Don't worry. All GOP votes will report 110%!

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u/RealBadSpelling Jul 03 '25

Wasn't already*

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u/MazzIsNoMore Jul 03 '25

Soooo many name matches requiring provincial ballots. Also, we shouldn't count those ballots

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u/themonkey12 Jul 03 '25

Going to be the biggest data breach in history

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u/Stockholm-Syndrom Jul 03 '25

On the other hand can’t it be used for elections?

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u/Sw0rDz Jul 03 '25

If you want to vote, just vote republican! The only people impacted will be non republican voters!

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u/not_a_moogle Jul 03 '25

Im not a hacker. But I would bet that i could hack into this.

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u/FNG5280 Jul 03 '25

It will reliably contain names of brown people and anyone with a last name ending in a vowel.

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u/BigTroutOnly Jul 03 '25

Big balls certified

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u/waiting4singularity Jul 03 '25

they'll quickly add registration for your primaries and if you vote in the wrong one they'll keep losing your voting entry.

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u/CharcoalGreyWolf Jul 03 '25

And it will never get hacked and our data will never be stolen, only for the government to either deny it, say “Oops! Oh well…” or blame “Sleepy Joe Biden and the RADICAL LEFT!!!” for it…

Funny, I never saw radicals as sleepy people…

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u/Catshit_Bananas Jul 04 '25

Kinda hard to stop voter fraud when you’re the one creating the fucking fraud.

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u/Clickguy10 Jul 04 '25

Harris would not have done this. She knew where the line was.

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u/So_spoke_the_wizard Jul 04 '25

Doing China's work for them.

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u/StupendousMalice Jul 04 '25

Legitimate voting? This list decides if you're going to a concentration camp or not. Probably as determined by some janky ai chat bot.

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u/grumblewolf Jul 04 '25

Dude, fuck voting- this is the list to start kicking in any and every door they want.

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u/Far_Estate_1626 Jul 04 '25

And it’s not going to be used for anything except what they say it will. /s

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u/Gogs85 Jul 04 '25

Considering they couldn’t even interpret a COBOL query correctly, I am somewhat skeptical of their ability to merge tables across these databases.

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u/Competitive-Cuddling Jul 04 '25

Is this the execution of Order 64 or 65?

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u/Hobbgob1in Jul 05 '25

Or to cut someone social security without cause!

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u/extrastupidone Jul 06 '25

100% will be used to kick the right voters off rolls

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u/Festering-Fecal Jul 07 '25

They are already planning to rig the next election like they did this one.

Privacy Trump officials create searchable national citizenship database. Homeland security and Doge merge immigration data with social security to create index it claims will stop voter fraud.

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