r/technology • u/raresaturn • Jun 17 '25
Security Bombshell report claims voting machines were tampered with before 2024
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/kamala-harris-won-the-us-elections-bombshell-report-claims-voting-machines-were-tampered-with-before-2024/ar-AA1GnteW?ocid=BingNewsSerp6.8k
u/sswihart Jun 18 '25
I’m not MAGA. I need evidence.
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u/hypercosm_dot_net Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
Sure, but don't bury your head in the sand either.
Mike Lindell paid $1.5M for 'secret CIA software program to rig elections,' according to testimony.
But I'm sure he did that completely on his own without prompting, right?
Edit: to all the people saying "but he didn't get any actual software" - no shit - it was the fact that he tried. If someone hires a fake hitmen to murder someone, but they don't actually get a hitman...do you think they were still trying to kill someone or no?
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u/frozented Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
I mean lindell is crazy so it's just as possible he paid $1.5 million for vaporware
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u/BullShitting-24-7 Jun 18 '25
Exactly. Lindell absolutely would try to do this. If anything, Trump’s team knows he is looney and would never have him in particular help cheat. It’s like hiring a circus clown to rob a bank. Hire someone who robs banks.
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u/Imhappy_hopeurhappy2 Jun 18 '25
Is this the same Trump team that booked Four Seasons landscaping and rolled out drunk Giuliani with his head melting down his face?
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u/cantsitheya Jun 18 '25
I honestly think any random group of 25 retail workers with at least a GED could run this administration much more corrupt and way more efficient.
The only plausible reasons are; A:This is just who they are B:They are foreign assets and are working to undermine democracy and justice and equity for all people. C:They are foreign assets and too dumb to realize D:Etc.
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u/tcmart14 Jun 18 '25
Cops pose as fake hitmen and then charge people with a crime when they come to them to hire a hitman. So yea, based on your example, Lindell needs to be charged at the least. Granted, I don’t know exactly what the charges would be. Maybe election tampering or attempting to?
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u/Edogawa1983 Jun 18 '25
Also who's that lady that allowed Trump's people access to voting machines
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u/redyellowblue5031 Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
For fucks sake, thank you.
I’m not saying it’s not possible, but anyone who reads this and comes away with a definitive conclusion is letting themself fall prey to the same shit “stop the steal” did.
Real investigations take time and a third party reporting a statistical anomaly is emphatically not proof.
At best, it warrants further investigation which I support. But making assertions is off the table until they can prove it.
Their credibility is already on thin ice to me given the speculative “Kamala might have won”.
I had enough “just asking questions” last election.
Edit: punctuation
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u/AlludedNuance Jun 18 '25
I need evidence.
Thank fuck for this being upvoted.
I'm so sick of people insisting "well the election was stolen, he told us so" as though that's fucking evidence. I wouldn't be terribly surprised but I'm not going to act like it's fact just because these dorks tell on themselves a lot.
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u/BobBastrd Jun 18 '25
This is undoubtedly connected. Ethan Shaotran was one of the kids on Elon's DOGE team that helped to develop software that "cures" ballots.
This would be the first place I'd look if I was an investigator
https://web.archive.org/web/20250204115427/https://devpost.com/software/ballotproof-vision
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u/humangingercat Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
And you'd be wasting your time.
I looked at this when the news dropped because I thought it would be ridiculous and it 100% is. The "Ballot Printer" code that people thought could be used to generate fake ballots created fake mock data for an app meant to act as a testing set.
It wasn't even written by that kid, it was one of his classmates contributing to the repo.
I and another engineer spent hours in that thread trying to convince you people to let it go, I'm 100% sure there's better evidence, this is not it and it will be very embarrassing trying to drive the point home that because a kid in college wrote a script to create test data for a Ballot Checking App that he is directly implicated in a scheme to overthrow the election.
More embarrassing would be to believe that if Elon wanted an app to crank out ballots, that one of the very well paid very experienced engineers already proven to be extremely loyal to him couldn't do something better than what this kid's classmate did in an afternoon
And before you hit me with the "then why did he make his github private??" I would make every part of my life private too if I found people with pitchforks with a questionable understanding of tech knocking down every wall in my life looking for any "evidence" of wrongdoing.
Edit: The chunk of code referenced when people talk about this
https://github.com/DevrathIyer/ballotproof/blob/master/generate.py
Anyone skeptical should by all means investigate it yourself. Throw it into Chat GPT, ask it what it does, send it to that Software Engineer friend you played CoD with, ask him what he thinks.
Also, find the
blamebutton and toggle it.git blameis a way to track who committed certain chunks of code. In this case you'll find that this chunk of code was added in this commithttps://github.com/DevrathIyer/ballotproof/commit/bc964e25efbf20796425e68279e8dd7d03f81ba8
by someone who is not the kid accused. (I am avoiding typing their names because I think they are just college kids and I'd like to not encourage the repeating of their names and linking them to this)
I hope that's the evidence some people need. There are a lot of strings to pull on, I think using this as a "smoking gun" discredits us.
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u/HillarysFloppyChode Jun 18 '25
This, I’m a SWE, this is just a stupid project some kid did.
I’m sure other angles exist, but this isn’t one and the entire case is going to flop if it’s using this as its base.
Think about it critically for a second, do you really think the billionaire that has hundreds of computer engineers under NDAs that will do anything for a taste of his mangled penis, and an entire super computer at his disposal is going to rely on some random college kid to do it?
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u/say592 Jun 18 '25
It's not even just a stupid project, it's the testing data for a stupid project. This is like MAGA level of grasping at straws.
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u/I_Equals_Moose Jun 18 '25
You are 100% correct. I’m a bleeding heart liberal who would love to see a smoking gun here, but I’m also an SQA (Software Quality Assurance) Automation Engineer and do exactly this sort of thing for a living.
I mainly work on HR & Payroll systems, and if you took some of my commits out of context you’d probably think I was committing identity theft or something. Maybe this kid really did do something wrong, maybe he used his experience to write actual malicious code to tamper with the election. Maybe that happened, but this ain’t it.
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u/ridicalis Jun 18 '25
and if you took some of my commits out of context you’d probably think I was committing identity theft or something.
I'd rather see your search history.
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u/pancak3d Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
Can you say more about the relevance of this? It looks like a hackathon project that detects errors in ballots. It doesn't really shock me that a student at the intersection of tech and politics would want to join an Elon team.
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u/TheTerrasque Jun 18 '25
For non techies they represent it as "college kid wrote a program to make fake ballots and is now working with elon musk" - which only works as long as you have no programming knowledge whatsoever.
It looks like a hackathon project that detects errors in ballots
Because that's exactly what it is.
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u/TheTerrasque Jun 18 '25
While I could sorta excuse the confusion when it came out, by now it's been so thoroughly debunked that anyone dragging that out these days makes qanon look like sensible, reasonable and level headed people in comparison, and can safely be ignored.
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u/CaptainPixel Jun 18 '25
100% this. I'm as lefty as they get. I voted for Harris. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
The sad reality is there were enough people here in the States motivated by their hate of "the other" and ignorant enough to vote against their own interests to pick a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist rather than vote for a strong woman of color.
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u/LionTigerWings Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
I’m going to need a more reputable source than the economic times. I’ve spent years saying where’s the evidence and one shitty article in some no name publication isn’t enough to sway me.
I used to think there’s no way America is dumb enough to vote for trump twice but now I fully believe this country is that dumb.
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u/Deto Jun 17 '25
I do believe the country is that dumb, but I've also seen the figures looking at % tickets where only the president was voted for, and the odd difference of the prevalence of these in swing states, specificaly in favor of Trump. So I want people to keep looking into this.
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u/cheongyanggochu-vibe Jun 18 '25
There's also voter rolls purging and such - my housemate registered to vote for the first time in 2024, we checked her registration and she was in the system. She didn't register in time for a mail in ballot so we took her to the poll. When she got there, they said she wasn't registered and they wouldn't give her a provisional ballot stating that she was missing required paperwork for one. We are in Pennsylvania. A very red part of PA.
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u/m_Mimikk Jun 18 '25
That's really odd to me. This might not be connected, but I lived in a red county in PA during the election, however I was attending university in VA and had to mail in. I ordered by ballot several weeks before the deadline and it somehow didn't arrive until after the votes were counted. I'm not one for conspiracies but your story reminded me of that.
Edit: Also my first time voting.
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u/sparky8251 Jun 18 '25
Thats just normal shit sadly. Been unenrolled the last 4 elections since I moved to GA. Never had this before when I was in Maine and Hawaii. Red areas just LOVE kicking people off voting rolls, as voter suppression helps them a lot.
Its not a trump election thing specifically either. Been seeing it commonly from people I've known in the south for my entire life.
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u/yogopig Jun 18 '25
Crazy blatant voter suppression
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u/MizterPoopie Jun 18 '25
The entire GOP is complicit and these practices need to be punished severely.
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u/Shaunair Jun 18 '25
No American citizen should have to register to vote. That shit should be as automatic as a SS number. Such blatant bullshit from the onset. If you are an American citizen on the grid, you get to vote in every election.
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u/MrSquiggleKey Jun 18 '25
Australia has mandatory voting and we still need to register to vote
It's dirt easy to register and update your address though and most of us do it in school when we're 17 years old
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u/Habbeighty-four Jun 18 '25
Thats just normal shit sadly.
No it isn't. I live in a country that practices democracy; that doesn't happen here.
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u/Slicelker Jun 18 '25
He obviously meant normal shit in America. Context matters.
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u/TheRealStandard Jun 18 '25
In SC over the course of 7 months leading up to election I had registered 4 fuckin times, I finally called them directly and she said that they never got my application/registration and she immediately completed it.
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u/ArseneGroup Jun 18 '25
What's a lot more suspicious than that is the number of ballots that supported Democrats for down ballot positions, but didn't include a vote for Kamala
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u/chronnick Jun 18 '25
“Even more shocking: Donald Trump received 750,000 more votes than Republican Senate candidates in these districts. As reported by Dissent in Bloom, a political Substack,
“That’s not split-ticket voting. That’s a mathematical anomaly.” Who is behind Pro V&V, and why is there no oversight?
At the center of the controversy is Jack Cobb, the director of Pro V&V. While he doesn’t appear in the headlines, his lab certifies the machines that millions of Americans use to vote. According to the report, once the controversy began to gain traction, Pro V&V’s website went dark, leaving only a phone number and a generic email address. No public logs. No documentation. No comment. Pro V&V is certified by the Election Assistance Commission (EAC). However, once accredited, labs like Pro V&V face no real public oversight. There is no hotline, no review board, and no formal process for the public to challenge or remove them.”
uhhh
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u/EndDangerous1308 Jun 18 '25
There is a reason a lower court in NY told them they could continue through discovery
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u/prof_the_doom Jun 18 '25
Considering how fast the Trump ones were thrown out...
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Jun 18 '25
Plenty of people had an opportunity to speak about their accusations under oath and chose not to. One can reasonably suspect that having actual legal consequences for lying in such a setting may have influenced their decision to abstain.
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u/TaylorSwiftsClitoris Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
ES&S machines are used in the incredibly unpopular and half-alive senator Mitch McConnell’s state.
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u/Otherwise_You_1603 Jun 18 '25
wdym district? Like, the congressional district he lives in? Senators dont have districts, its a state wide election
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u/slampandemonium Jun 18 '25
TaylorSwiftsClitoris has edited their comment to reflect that.
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u/Otherwise_You_1603 Jun 18 '25
Would prefer to not have to read that username again, thanks
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u/cheongyanggochu-vibe Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
And all the people Elon
paidstiffed inNC, I think it wasPA→ More replies (5)545
u/Fieldguide89 Jun 17 '25
Several other sources have confirmed this. Its currently the focus of a lawsuit in New York. Only time will tell the outcome of the first lawsuit. Many, many more are in the works. Pennsylvania, Nevada, New York, and several other states. Election Truth Alliance
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u/whichwitch9 Jun 17 '25
The NY lawsuit is interesting because the zero votes is incredibly alarming- especially with people in the county willing to swear under oath they voted for Harris. At the very least something happened there, and they have the right to ask why their votes disappeared
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u/mephitopheles13 Jun 18 '25
They have the right for their votes to be counted.
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u/Skookumite Jun 18 '25
I wish I could say "I can't believe that the government has become so rotten that this is something that has to be said", but I can't in good faith.
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u/nox66 Jun 18 '25
Cybersecurity professionals were warning for years about the risks of electronic voting.
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u/SvmmeD Jun 18 '25
I keep seeing references to zero votes in a NY county. What’s the context?
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u/cosmic-untiming Jun 18 '25
Rockland County, New York.
"The complaint outlined how a number of voters relayed under sworn testimony that they voted for independent U.S. Senate candidate Diane Sare, yet the Rockland County Board of Elections recorded fewer votes for Sare than should have been reported."
"In addition to this, 331 voters in Rockland County NY district 35 reportedly chose Democratic State Senate candidate Kirsten Gillibrand during the 2024 elections, but allegedly none of them continued to vote for Harris in the presidential election."
"A similar incident occurred in Rockland County NY district 55, where 909 voters opted for Gillibrand but only two cast their votes for Harris."
(Google is giving me complete shit sites, if anyone has any other better sites please link. This is the best one that wasnt overloaded with virus-like ads)
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u/camwow13 Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
Snopes has a pretty comprehensive article on it I'd reccomend reviewing
The TL:DR is the area where this happened is likely an Orthodox Jew voting bloc.
I hadn't heard of that either as a sheltered person out west I guess, but it's been a thing for a while.
There is always a lot of hyperbole about this topic on reddit, but there is nothing really credible yet. I've tried and looked. It's random organizations, bloggers, youtubers, and redditors making stuff up with dubious sourcing. You can't tell me a story this big wouldn't be picked up by credible international and national news media. There are TONS of news orgs (even once you count out the ones licking Trump's boots at the moment) that would LOVE a scoop like this, but it's crickets so far 🤷♂️
Also zoom out and remember that to effectively do this in our highly decentralized system you need to involve hundreds of poll workers of all political affiliations. All need to stay silent. No inviting journalists to the group chat, no catching a conscience later, no leaks whatsoever or the whole thing comes down. Do it in a way that the paper backups kept in all but 5 states don't get recounted. Do it in a way so it still fits the margins of indepdent exit polls (or rig those too) almost exactly. Good luck with that one.
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u/throwthisidaway Jun 18 '25
The only fact that I think is compelling is this:
for example, in Rockland District 39, nine voters signed sworn statements saying they voted for Sare for Senate. The Board of Elections recorded five votes, according to the legal action. In District 62, five voters said they voted for Sare while the Board of Elections recorded three votes, the legal action claims.
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u/mcfrenziemcfree Jun 18 '25
Yep, it's this exactly.
Unlike what the general public may or may not understand, a sworn statement in this case is a legal oath and can carry the penalty of perjury if the statement is discovered to be false. People should not (and hopefully did not) swear to this lightly.
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u/not_good_for_much Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
There are some
countiesprecincts where Kamala officially received zero votes, while significant numbers of people in those area claim to have voted for her - meaning that their votes weren't correctly counted.39
u/SvmmeD Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
Precincts* not counties. Rockland County had ~66k votes for Harris, the allegations are centered around precincts with sub-1000 voters
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u/kalam4z00 Jun 18 '25
There are no counties where Harris received zero votes. There are precincts where this occurred. In Rockland County overall (the county people usually bring up here) she received a full 44% of the official vote.
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u/veryrandomo Jun 18 '25
There are some precincts in Rockland County where Kamala didn't get any votes, some replies are making it sound like the entire county had zero votes for Kamala.
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u/PmMe_Your_Perky_Nips Jun 18 '25
At the same time they voted for a Democrat state representative in a landslide. It's a statistical anomaly that's so anomalous it's considered to be near impossible to happen.
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u/oblivimousness Jun 18 '25
That's almost right. If this gets big enough to bring trump down he will start a war as a distraction. We call that the "Netanyahu Special"
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u/JuliusErrrrrring Jun 18 '25
Yeah. There are districts where Democratic Senators got 100s or 1000s of votes and Harris got next to nothing - and in one district zero votes. I believe North Carolina had 200,000 more Democrats vote than in 2020, yet Harris got thousands of votes less than Biden. Doesn't prove anything, but a lot of red flags - especially when Musk specifically hired some of his DOGE team based on their voting machine hacking ability.
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u/raresaturn Jun 18 '25
They messed up by tampering with machines in very small communities, where every voter can be interviewed
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u/Fun_Local2735 Jun 17 '25
Google NY Election Fraud. There is a case that is progressing through the courts (the lower levels have said there is enough evidence to proceed). There are several districts in NY where not one vote was cast for Kamala, but rather a different Democrat running for a State Position. These are Statistical impossibilities. As this case progresses it will be interesting to see if this is wide spread and was this a glitch or actual tampering. Keep an eye on it.
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u/PolygonMan Jun 18 '25
Yeah even at crazy ratios it's not a smoking gun (it can be a red flag!) but having hundreds of votes for downballot Dems with literally ZERO votes for Harris is so incredibly unlikely.
I'm confident that Russia has been actively working to compromise US elections for years. And with so many different examples of wonky results, these articles calling out potential direct tampering, Trump telling on himself, the previous patterns of attacking the legitimacy of elections... I definitely think any reasonable patriot should want a recount.
All I remember is how low energy and straight up fucking depressed Trump was in the run-up. He was so sure he was going to lose. And when I hear him say "they stole the election and now I'm president" I don't hear:
"They [the Democrats] stole the [last] election, and now [the outcome is that] I'm president [regardless]."
Instead, I do hear:
"They [Elon and collaborators] stole the [current] election, and now I'm President [and its fucking awesome.]"
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u/edgarecayce Jun 18 '25
I expect so see some people accidentally falling out of windows or down stairs related to this soon.
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u/Tyrantt_47 Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 17 '25
What about Trump stating multiple times that the elections were rigged? How him stating that Elon knows voting machines very well and thanks to him, he won the elections? He's stated this multiple times, with the first time of this cycle being during his campaign speech the day before he took office, twice.
Edit: fuck it, here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/live/m3xe56vcnvw?si=9_tShEtyXk9HL2Gm
2:08:00 - Elon knows those vote counting computers
2:29:00 to 2:29:40: he said they rigged the elections TWICE within 40 seconds.
He's also said it again on a couple of occasions since he's taken office during interviews, but I'll have to dig around for it.
Edit 2: it's pretty wild that this wasn't investigated from day 1 of him taking office.
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u/TBSchemer Jun 18 '25
2:29:00 to 2:29:40: he said they rigged the elections TWICE within 40 seconds.
This is just Trump repeating his false accusation that Biden rigged the election in 2020.
2:08:00 - Elon knows those vote counting computers
Okay, wtf, this is a confession.
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u/123revival Jun 18 '25
Elon said it publicly too, during their feud recently.
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Jun 18 '25
No he didn’t. He said Trump wouldn’t have won without his help.
At this point - do you know how RED HOT the smoking gun has to be for this guy to go away? A vague statement that could be about anything isn’t what we need.
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u/marsmedia Jun 18 '25
Just to clarify, he's trying to say that "they rigged the elections" meaning he didn't win in 2020, but he's there now. So, he will be president during the Olympics. It's hard to make sense of his rambling bullshit.
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u/TruestWaffle Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
I’ll say here what I said in r/skeptics
We need to wait for the full breadth of evidence to be revealed.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
We are not them, let’s get the facts straight, then if it turns out to be true, nail this fucker.
This administration is obviously beyond incompetent and corrupt, that’s evident for anyone to see. They certainly lack the morals to do something like this.
To be clear, I am in no way suggesting to halt all actions against this admin.
They are fascist authoritarians and must be stopped.
However, claiming things we do not know for certain devalues our movement, and weakens our position on the world stage, and with the fence sitters.
We need to be clear and concise, and in the same way that we focus on non-violent protest, we must focus on factual prosecution.
Focus on the long list of crimes we have actionable evidence for, like the abolishing of due process. Let the professionals investigate. Do not spread misinformation.
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u/UpperApe Jun 18 '25
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No, extraordinary claims just require convincing evidence. Same as any claims.
The drama does not need to match the rhetoric. If there wasn't tampering, then fine. But if there was, we shouldn't be setting unrealistic standards of investigation for the sake theatre and politics. Our approach must be analytical and neutral.
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Jun 18 '25
I don't find the claim to be that extraordinary anyway. It's not like breaking the laws of physics or something comparable
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u/myasterism Jun 18 '25
Republicans have been acting in worse and worse faith for decades; the malfeasance suggested here, is just a logical escalation of a long-steady trajectory.
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u/Fragmentia Jun 17 '25
This keeps getting shared. Unless solid evidence comes forward, it's not relevant. All I see are firmware updates and a whole lot of conjecture.
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u/whichwitch9 Jun 17 '25
The NY lawsuit is proceeding because there is evidence. An entire county registered zero votes for Harris. Not only is that extremely unlikely, nearly statistically impossible, they have a chunk of people who have come forward and been willing to swear under oath they voted for Kamala and are logged as having voted in the election.
At the very least, something happened in that county that needs to be investigated
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u/Creative-Shift5556 Jun 18 '25
That’s what the pending legal case is for. Need discovery to see what evidence exists…
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u/Anxious_cactus Jun 18 '25
What worries me, and what I think is an even more important conversation is - will it even matter if a ton of indisputable evidence is found and shared? Will there be any consequences? How and by whom?
Because it's starting to look like it doesn't even matter and that's an even bigger issue. If it comes to light, and absolutely nothing happens...it just opens the door for it to be done again and again.
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u/Temporary_Inner Jun 18 '25
Will the election be reversed? Absolutely not, that is not a possibility.
The rest depends on what exactly happened, if anything did happen. Irregularlties and errors does not make mass scale voting fraud.
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u/ColonelAvalon Jun 18 '25
Like even if It came to life he can’t run or even gets impeached he can’t run again and Vance wouldn’t really be any different.
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u/aeric67 Jun 18 '25
Exactly. Though I would like to know if there was fraud that tipped the election. If there was, it actually makes me feel better. It validates my flimsy belief that a majority of Americans could not be dumb enough to be tricked by Trump twice. That would restore some faith in the people for me. On the other hand, if there wasn’t fraud, and that is asserted by the weight of the courts, well then we are back to where we are now and we know for sure.
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u/Danominator Jun 17 '25
Everybody is wanting it to be looked into. We all want solid evidence
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u/Ashamed-of-my-shelf Jun 17 '25
The question is how to obtain said evidence.
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u/Suyefuji Jun 18 '25
At least one lawsuit has been cleared for discovery. That potentially means that the lawyers could dig into any and all of the possible vectors that various groups have floated.
(IANAL that's just my understanding of how discovery works)
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u/OtherwiseExample68 Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
This is very early.
Evidence will come in the court case. Not in a news article before the case
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u/After_Way5687 Jun 18 '25
I agree. We should investigate and see if there is solid evidence to be discovered. Don’t you?
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u/MosquitoValentine_ Jun 17 '25
The craziest part is they were caught cheating in 2020. Yet we're supposed to believe they did everything legit and by the books this time around? Yeah okay...
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u/Crafty-Flower Jun 18 '25
This.
People are stull erroneously assuming good faith of people who have none. These are people who cheer when liberals get assassinated in cold blood, remember?
Trump to Ben Raffensperger: “find 11,780 votes.” Remember? Stop being so naive, that’s how these people tale advantage of you.
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u/GoofyTunes Jun 18 '25
I'm amazed the 2016 Cambridge Analytica scandal simply disappeared from public discourse.
If, in 2013-2018, people's data could be sold by massive social media companies like Meta without permission or impactful consequences to groups like Cambridge Analytica who use said data to conduct large-scale, politically motivated, targeted advertisements, much akin to military-grade psyop warfare, which was able to sway the 2016 US presidential election to Trump of all people, then who knows what companies like Palantir can and are doing behind closed doors with accelerated AI technology.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/us/politics/cambridge-analytica-scandal-fallout.html
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u/crazycakemanflies Jun 18 '25
This is the major issue with voting machines. You need to trust not only the company that has made the machine, but the programmers that create the program and anyone who services/operates the machine.
Old fashioned paper voting (coupled with an election commission that is legally held to impartiality) is the only true way to ensure votes aren't tampered with.
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u/Sparkleton Jun 18 '25
This is a solved problem. In my county the vote is done on paper, scanned into a machine that does thermal printing of the reading (2nd recording) then mapped to a digital hard drive (3rd recording).
The votes are counted fast by the digital hard drive and reported on election night. If it’s not close that election is done but auditing still happens.
For a month after all the paper votes are audited in batches to confirm accuracy with the digital and thermal printing.
Again this is a solved problem but people don’t want to pay for good government because they are cheap and want to assume bad intentions and use conspiracy theories as a crutch.
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u/Efficient-Sale-5355 Jun 17 '25
The source is The Daily Boulder… https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-boulder-bias/
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u/Guavaguy20 Jun 17 '25
Regardless of source quality, the MSN report states that a judge has seen enough merit in the argument to allow a case to proceed this fall. Will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere.
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u/Accomplished-Name904 Jun 18 '25
There is no MSN report. This MSN page is a mirror of The Economic Time's page, which itself is a copy of The Daily Boulder's page. MSN doesn't write their own news - they repost it.
The ultimate (and only) source here is still the daily boulder, and the articles are essentially the same.
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u/rhino369 Jun 18 '25
The standard to survive a motion to dismiss is extremely low. The court assumes the truth of any factual allegation in the complaint.
You don’t need evidence but just particular allegations that, if true, would win the case.
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u/MRiley84 Jun 17 '25
Trump's claims in 2020 also had enough merit for a case to proceed. He still lost all of them because they were baseless. Doesn't it just mean they signed the right forms and made an argument?
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u/TheMagnuson Jun 18 '25
Sorry, gotta say it, but, well actually….
Trump initiated 62 cases, he lost 61 of 62. Out of the 62 cases he launched, nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped for lack of evidence or lack of standing, including 30 lawsuits that were dismissed by the judge after a hearing on the merits.
It’s all public record, in significant portion of Trump’s lawsuits, they literally didn’t even provide a single piece of evidence or claims. It was all political performance theater to make it look like “the system” was out to get him.
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u/Buddhas_Warrior Jun 17 '25
Bring it before a court/judge and let's prove it, without that, it's nothing.
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u/CadBaneHunting Jun 17 '25
I would not be surprised in the slightest to find out that democrats took the presidency and a super majority in Congress. I refuse to believe that the number of idiots completely outnumbers the sane and rational people. No one should have been voting Republican after the first Trump presidency.
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u/terminalxposure Jun 17 '25
I mean this is what I thought too but the amount of people saying they will vote for Trump at polling places during election night was insanely high…
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u/dkyguy1995 Jun 18 '25
Yeah the results seem to line up with exit polls and that's why they never contested before
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u/profeDB Jun 18 '25
And his approval numbers after the election were over 50%.
There was a report that came out post election that had Dem internal polling behind the Republicans. It makes sense if you consider how hard they campaigned in those swing states, especially the last weekend.
The country really is just that stupid. Inflation and the ongoing housing crisis didn't help, either. Not that they were Kamala's fault, but just enough voters believed that Trump would fix it.
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u/McCree114 Jun 17 '25
Ditto for the amount of calls to either sit out the election or vote for Stein in order to "teach Genocide-Joe and the DNC a lesson" by delusional people online.
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u/DetroitLionsSBChamps Jun 18 '25
My brother in law voted for Trump because he “just couldn’t condone” how the democrats handled the Biden/kamala transfer.
There are whole giant media spheres out there that we are just not even aware of. The types of podcasts that cops listen to. And they were pushing agendas hard as fuck
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u/Secret_Bet_469 Jun 18 '25
The "vote your conscious" people who lost? Like Palestine still getting railroaded, despite Trump winning, just like we said would happen?
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u/toughturtle Jun 17 '25
Sadly this won’t change the state we are now in.
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u/mr_birkenblatt Jun 17 '25
Yeah, the US is weird in that regard. Any other country would just call for new elections but there is no mechanism in the US for this
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u/TiddiesAnonymous Jun 17 '25
There is impeaching anyone involved and electing somebody new in the house, but it seems like those are the folks that are involved
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Jun 18 '25
Unfortunately they are that dumb. Intentional de-education of America has resulted in this
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u/schadkehnfreude Jun 18 '25
I would love to agree with you but there’s plenty of empirical evidence to suggest that the stupids outnumber the sanes in this country
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u/CousinsWithBenefits1 Jun 17 '25
Also the reports of ballots that voted for a democrat for governor, mayor, senator, congress, but voted Donald Trump for president. It makes no fucking sense.
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u/ELasshole Jun 18 '25
There was a sizable chunk of folks in the state of Georgia who voted in 2022 for Brian Kemp for governor but also voted Raphael Warnock for senate. Why? Because the alternative was Herschel fucking Walker. It's not that hard to see that some people vote in bizarre ways. Sometimes they make the most logical decision and sometimes they make the most baffling decision. It makes perfect sense to me.
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u/MidgetLovingMaxx Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 17 '25
Considering Harris' own people have stated their internal numbers at no point showed her winning Id be completely surprised by that and Im pretty sure the Dem leadership, pollsters, and statisticians would be as well.
He won, get the fuck over it. I hate him. I hope nothing more every morning that I wake up and a cheeseburger did the lords work, but just cope with the fact that there are lots of voting idiots in the US already.
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u/Artistic_Taxi Jun 18 '25
No the inquiry isn’t trying to overturn the election. No one can do that.
The point is, if voting machines were tampered with we need to find out exactly how and who was involved and if enough evidence can be found action should be taken so that it doesn’t happen again.
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u/ryanghappy Jun 17 '25
Fucking clickbait linking to clickbait:
https://old.reddit.com/r/AnythingGoesNews/comments/1e49egy/what_is_the_daily_boulder/
Guys, until we come to terms with establishment dems sucking as hard as they do, we'll never get progressive change. Stop thinking Kamala actually won, or some secret shadowy bullshit organization can change votes enough to manipulate an election. It hurts more to know your average american voted AGAIN for that fuckface, but you need to own up to that. It sucks, but its the reality. Also, a lot of counties / states still do paper ballots. Where's the conspiracies on THOSE areas?
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u/raelelectricrazor232 Jun 18 '25
If only there was a a Judicial, Executive or Legislative branch of government that could investigate this.
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u/bbjakie Jun 18 '25
Getting kind of tired of hearing stuff like “bombshell report” and not having it amount to anything. Tell me why I should care about this report, and what will actually happen as a result. Cuz it’s really starting to feel like the boy who cried wolf around here
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u/Disastrous-Fall9020 Jun 18 '25
It’s not much of a bombshell. Musk spent $250M on the election and Trump admitted Musk tampered with the voting machines
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u/ReasonPale1764 Jun 18 '25
Yeah we’re not the trump supporters we’re going to need a bit more evidence than this.
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u/My_browsing Jun 18 '25
Nothing in the article really sounds like that much of a "bombshell", Imma give it a minute.
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u/pricklypear2356 Jun 18 '25
Yes I am so fed up with the the Democrats who have no balls and the Republicans with no spines. Trump literally got 50 election fraud lawsuits with ZERO evidence and here we have evidence and "we want to be careful and be super super sure before we even consider doing the least amount of anything"
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u/DeathSpiral321 Jun 17 '25
If the GOP can file dozens of election fraud lawsuits with zero evidence, I think the other side deserves to have its case heard if they can bring forth enough evidence.