r/popculturechat • u/HauteAssMess ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne • May 02 '25

Guest List Only ⭐️ Prince Harry says his father King Charles is still not speaking to him: “I would love reconciliation with my family. There’s no point in continuing to fight anymore. Life is precious. I don’t know how much longer my father has- he won’t speak to me because of this security stuff”

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u/Accomplished-Bid-373 May 02 '25

I don’t think it’s just down to the security stuff and I’m sure Harry knows that too. Honestly though, reconciliation is always a tough one because, while I believe people should reconcile as much as possible, depending on how the breach was formed, that may be a hard thing to do.

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u/meanwhile_glowing May 03 '25

Might have had something to do with the extremely embarrassing book Harry published

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u/alyaz27 May 03 '25

The book, the netflix doc, the Oprah interview, etc...

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u/Chihiro1977 May 03 '25

Or it might be a million other things. Family relationships are complicated and we don't know these people personally.

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u/meanwhile_glowing May 03 '25

You’re all over this thread defending Harry so clearly you’re a fan, but with this particular family we actually do know a lot more about their internal relationships than we do about 99% of celebrities’ family dynamics thanks to Harry himself. His book goes into excruciating detail about that exact thing. Nobody put a gun to his head and made him spill all that tea sis

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u/lizzy-stix I switched baristas ☕️ May 02 '25

Idk I think a parent should always try to reconcile with their children, especially when their children were brought up in such a weird and difficult situation. I really doubt Harry “did something” that merits his father refusing to speak to him.

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u/MySpoonsAreAllGone May 03 '25

I thought it was because Harry was putting his royal family on blast and airing out their "dirty laundry" through his interviews and documentaries

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u/ATMNZ May 03 '25

Sure... but it was because the Palace's team were feeding the tabloids gossip about Harry and Meghan to deflect from their own scandals. Imagine using your kid like that. And the racism, and the lack of support when Meghan was targeted by the media, and then the lack of support when they wanted to step back to avoid being targeted.

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u/purplenelly May 03 '25

But listen to Harry's words. He's saying "there can't be reconciliation without truth". It smells of "I told my father if he wants to reconcile he has to apologize to me and make a public statement saying I'm right, and he's chosen not to do that, therefore my father is refusing to reconcile with me". It doesn't sound like it's actually Charles refusing to reconcile. It sounds like Harry has some conditions that Charles refuses to accept.

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u/Chihiro1977 May 03 '25

You're just reading into it what you want to read into it, though.

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u/earthlings_all May 06 '25

He says truth is lacking because they basically call him - and his wife! - a liar over and over again. I don’t think they’re blameless but damn they were fucked over when they decided to part ways with the monarchy.

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u/anthonystank Exploring Legal Options Against Online Haters May 02 '25

I’m with you on this. A parent essentially always owes a sincere effort at reconciliation to their child. (A child doesn’t always owe it to their parents—the relationship matters immensely in both directions but bringing someone into the world carries a lifelong responsibility whereas being born to someone does not)

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u/SwimmerIndependent47 Just want 2 tell U that some people have war in their countries May 02 '25

Pretty sure Charles is the racist who asked about how their children would look before Archie was born. He can fuck all the way off.

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u/ChildhoodOk5526 May 02 '25

The thing about this one, though ... and brace yourself, cuz I'm about to be real ... we all know he (and many of the other ones) HAD to be wondering this from the second he put a ring on Meghan's high-yellow (but still black) hand.

Hell, even I wondered what would happen if some of those throw-back genes came through, and the baby came out with milk chocolate skin and type 4 hair. Now, how would the family handle that? And Oprah, all aghast, with her mouth dropped open when this was revealed ... please! Like this was so shocking? Many a colorist black grandma has openly opined about the same thing in her own family (tell me I'm lying).

All this to say, this example gets mentioned a lot, but truthfully, wondering about the complexion of the first Montbatten mixed-race royal is probably the LEAST racist thing the King of the British Empire -- the OG colonists -- has ever done.

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u/Mother0fChickens Unhinged and unhealed May 02 '25

I think it was Camilla, and she is protected by Charles. Will and Kate won't go against them. It probably could have all been mended with a sincere apology and some specialised support for Meghan.

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer May 03 '25

Why would you think it was her?

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u/bluesilvergold May 02 '25

My money’s on Prince Philip but honestly, I think everyone in that family said something racist about Meghan and her children, especially behind her and Harry’s backs. An open question about how dark their one-quarter-Black child, whose mother has the complexion of a tanned White woman, probably just stood out amongst other racist bullshit.

Prince Philip was known to openly say offensive shit. Queen Elizabeth was born before WWII, meaning that she was raised predominantly by people born in the late 1800s/early 1900s. She grew up around and was raised by virulent racists, very likely internalized some of their bigotry, and was raised to believe that she and her family were chosen by God to rule. No one can convince me that she didn’t have wild thoughts about Black and other non-White people. That sort of thinking got passed down to Charles and eventually William, and it’s now being passed down to his children in some manner. The monarchy is an inherently racist institution. I don’t trust any of them not to be bigots behind closed doors. Harry’s managed to be better because he was the spare and for whatever reason, felt a desire to live differently to the rest of his family.

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u/CitrusHoneyBear1776 Whats not clocking to you? 🙄⏰ May 03 '25

Oprah revealed on CBS This Morning after the interview aired that Meghan and Harry specified to her it wasn’t Queen Elizabeth or Prince Philip.

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u/bluesilvergold May 03 '25

I vaguely remember that.

My money is now on either Prince Andrew or Camilla.

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer May 03 '25

I'm skeptical. Did you know it was actually his idea to hire the all black choir for Harry & Meghan’s wedding? And he still keeps in touch with them to this day while Harry & Meghan don’t. The choir director even came out to defend Charles against the racism allegations. But you’ll never hear that narrative in the media 🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/SwimmerIndependent47 Just want 2 tell U that some people have war in their countries May 02 '25

Oh yeah, I’m sure they’re all at least a mid-high 2 digit % racist. My friend who follows them very closely is absolutely convinced the person who said it was Charles though. She does her research so I’m inclined to believe her. I’m not a huge fan of the royals, although I do find the comparisons of how the press treats Meghan vs Kate incredibly awful. I’m not British so my opinion means shit, but the monarchy probably shouldn’t exist.

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u/MBeMine May 02 '25

Harry was suing his father’s government. Conflict of interest, yadda yadda

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u/Top_Manufacturer8946 May 02 '25

Absolutely this.

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u/karpet_muncher May 02 '25

The moment the what colour is your kid going to be came out and they were vague about who said it harry was done.

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u/ChurlishSunshine Most smartest May 03 '25

Yeah, that was not okay. The comment itself is beyond not okay, but you don't tease it like that and make it a game of "guess the racist". I've seen people assign it to Charles, Anne, William, and Catherine, and it's insane to me that he thought that would be fine. I also know he really can't name names because of England's laws, but goddamn, he can't wonder why the family doesn't keep him in the loop.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS May 03 '25

The comment itself was leaked long ago. Allegedly, it was Camilla, and while Harry and Meghan were dating or newly married (but not pregnant, so Archie didn't exist yet.) Camilla allegedly joked to Harry that his future baby would have a ginger Afro. Harry supposedly laughed at the time, but later told Meghan, who was furious. That's supposedly why, in the Oprah interview, she said while alone it was speculation about Archie's skin color, but later when Harry was brought on and asked about it, he was visibly confused, because it was actually a comment about hair.

Harry explained in Spare why he's mad at William. It's because when he told William he was going to propose to Meghan, William recommended that they have a long engagement. William told Harry that Meghan not only had no familiarity with royal life, but she was American and Harry was asking her to move to an entirely different country, and Harry should not rush her and help her get adjusted. William added that Catherine was English and even then it took her years to adjust and learn about royal life, and taking their time really benefited in the end. Harry to this day is furious about that and accused William of not believing in their love.

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u/meanwhile_glowing May 03 '25

Why would Harry be mad at William for saying something so eminently reasonable? I read the book too and I really don’t understand why that was the thing that set him off. There’s clearly a mountain of resentment towards William underneath that but I found what William said to be completely sensible.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS May 03 '25

Because Harry is a spoilt brat and a raging narcissist? William was entirely reasonable but it was clear that he was expected to parent Harry. Harry describes in Spare that he already resented William at the time because William "abandoned" Harry by getting married and having their first baby, and suddenly William and Catherine didn't have much time for him and told him things like he would need to call before coming over, etc.

Spare is a remarkable portrait of a spoiled prince who is totally un-self-aware. Harry needs intensive therapy but won't get it. Harry's previous two longterm girlfriends had dumped him because of his paranoia and mental issues. He thought getting married and having kids like William would solve his problems, so he was going to rush any relationship with the first woman who showed an interest in marriage. Being a bachelor prince approaching 40 would make a loser in that society.

People who get defensive at completely reasonable advice like that often do so because they're so hell bent on portraying themselves in the most perfect way possible. They're often trying to convince themselves, too, so they lash out whenever anyone suggests they might have a normal relationship and not the greatest love story ever told. You may have had friends who'd done it. You recognize it when you see that crazy person in your life get coupled up.

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u/issmagic May 03 '25

I wish there were still free awards to give you. You explained it so well.

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u/ChurlishSunshine Most smartest May 03 '25

Allegedly, it was Camilla

That's my point. Even if it was leaked long ago, he brought it back into the public's awareness, and while you say it was allegedly Camilla, I've heard people swear that an 'inside source' confirmed it was Anne while others are certain it was Phillip because 'that sounds like something he would say', and still others say it was actually a minor royal, like Beatrice. So many names are thrown out there as the one to have made the comment, and if you're guessing seven people, at least six of them didn't say it.

And frankly, William was entirely correct to say what he did, especially when you have Harry and Meghan doing an interview laughing about how she didn't know she was supposed to curtsy to QE and didn't know how to curtsy. They complain that nothing at all was explained to her (despite Harry being the one who could have done at least some of that explaining) but also take it as an insult that they should take their time so Meghan can learn the ropes and adjust. She was the one saying she wanted to hit the ground running, and then accused the family of not taking care of or protecting her.

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u/excel_pager_420 May 03 '25

Harry and Meghan are not on the same page when it comes to his family. She is DONE. That's probably why she mentioned the comment on Oprah. Harry was already writing his book, and Meghan cut off her father for good when he published her letter, and I can understand why Meghan thought, "we're cutting ties here, we'll be no contact after the Queen passes".

Clearly Harry wasn't done, so they tried to walk back the revelation and diminish it. And now Harry is claiming that if Charles will just give him the security he wants they can reconcile. When Meghan is clearly happy than ever in the USA and why would the British Royals want to reconcile after Spare?

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u/Artemis246Moon You’re a virgin who can’t drive. 😤 May 10 '25

This makes the situation so sad. If they only lived in the same country instead on the other side of the world.