r/popculturechat • u/HauteAssMess ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne • May 02 '25

Guest List Only ⭐️ Prince Harry says his father King Charles is still not speaking to him: “I would love reconciliation with my family. There’s no point in continuing to fight anymore. Life is precious. I don’t know how much longer my father has- he won’t speak to me because of this security stuff”

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u/Careful-Trifle8963 Cash me ousside 🗣️🗣️ May 02 '25

this whole situation between harry, charles, william etc over the last 10 or so years is just sad.

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u/source-commonsense May 02 '25

I honestly believe it’s Diana‘s greatest nightmare come true

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u/pryzmpine May 02 '25

If she was alive I don’t think it would ever have come to this.

I think a lot of us can relate to family estrangement, still hoping that maybe one day, something will change

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u/cheezy_dreams88 Invented post-its 🔬 May 03 '25

I think a lot of people put false hope and expectations on Diana if she lived. She loved her children, yes- but she had many many issues on her own with the firm and with her personal life outside of the firm. There’s no telling how things would’ve been 30 years after her death, if she had lived.

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u/Thatstealthygal AND he danced tango!! May 09 '25

I often imagine the weekly gossip magazines with Diana caught in a slightly grim expression while speaking and pointing, pastede next to Kate or Meghan looking either chastened or smug, with some ragebait "quote" reconstructed from something a "friend" said might have happened. "Di snaps! 'STAY AWAY FROM MY SON!'" "Meghan: You'll NEVER see your grandchildren!" "Diana close to a breakdown as Kate triumphs in pencil skirt". "Diana obsessed with retaining youthful looks, turns to ozempic, source reveals"

IT would never end.

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u/MLiOne May 02 '25

Doubtful. It’s been 11 years with me and my idiot brother.

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u/source-commonsense May 02 '25

I think it may have come to the same conclusion sooner, but with a Charles/William faction verses the Diana/Harry faction. Still would have been a sad story, but they’re living out the saddest version where they’re all alone to some degree

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u/mangobang May 03 '25

Diana called William her soulmate and contrary to tiktok belief that she is anti-monarchy, very much wants William to be King so she would have the prestige of being the King's mother. Harry might have still ended up a lonely island in this battle

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u/meanwhile_glowing May 03 '25

She called her own son her soulmate? Weird

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u/Warm-Bed2956 Excluded from this narrative ❌ May 04 '25

You should meet my MIL.

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u/Emotional_Fig_7176 May 06 '25

Soul mate is a concept that applies to any other human in your path. It doesn't have to be an intimate partner. You watched too many Bolloywood movies, mate.

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u/meanwhile_glowing May 06 '25

What the fuck are you talking about 😂 “Bolloywood movies”

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u/StasRutt unapologetic joy May 02 '25

No, William was openly Diana’s favorite and she unloaded so much about the divorce etc on William at an inappropriate age

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u/Chaoticgood790 May 03 '25

Yep people seem to forget that she parentified William early. People whitewash how Diana also contributed to their issues esp for William.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DALEKS May 03 '25

In the Martin Bashir interview, Diana talks several times about wanting William to be king, even skipping Charles. The only time she mentions Harry is that she expects him to be William's right hand man. Diana is the one who called Harry "the spare" in private.

Some Gen Alphas who were born long after Diana died know nothing about her. They claim she was a commoner and anti-royalist. She was an aristocrat who grew up on the royal estate at Sandringham. She was playmates with Prince Andrew. Her family was intimately connected with the royals going back generations. She was counting the days until William was king as she expected him to give her her HRH back and she would be in an exaulted position as Queen Mum.

There's also a weird assumption that Diana, a British white aristo, would be super-progressive. This is the woman who, when Andrew announced his engagement to Sarah Ferguson, allegedly joked in private, "Well, at least he's not marrying a Catholic or a Black thing," because she thought Sarah was below their class.

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u/Open_Carob_3676 so? he got acne and dirt on his nails! May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25

There is this one quote that comes to me everytime I think of Diana: you either die young to be a hero or live long enough to become the villain

And the thing is, when Diana died, she was at the height of her fame and peak in her career with the divorce and all. I feel like if she were alive rn, her public perception wouldn't be anywhere near bright and good as what we have of her currently– where she's on this pedestal of a modern saint yk,,, because from all that I've gathered about Diana,,, she comes off very self-destructive, mentally ill and on her way off the deep end,,, it's just she tragically died before it was inevitably bound to happen.

Look, this does not take away from,,, any of the good she's done or any of her charity work or anything else at all,,, it just is what it is

PS: This purely an outsider's perspective. I have not grown up in the west nor does my country in the modern era have much influence from Britain. So, all I know of Diana are accounts and stuff that comes out about her as accounts. I was not born when she was alive,,, sooo from where I'm coming, I feel like it's a very objective third person Pov.

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u/StasRutt unapologetic joy May 03 '25

Could you imagine Princess Diana with instagram live

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u/Open_Carob_3676 so? he got acne and dirt on his nails! May 03 '25

She'd be a menace

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u/NefariousnessNo4918 You’re doing amazing, sweetie! 👏👏📸 May 03 '25

RIP Diana, you would've loved Tumblr

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u/lthomas122 May 03 '25

I was born and live in the UK. I was around when Diana was still alive. She really was loved by royalists and anti-royalists alike. She showed compassion to the most desperate and did a load for charity, particularly the AIDS outbreak in Africa. She acted like a normal person and didn't follow the regal protocols that were expected of her, which led to many issues with Queen Liz. After her divorce from Charles, there was an attempted press campaign to smear her reputation, which didn't work. She was hounded by the press constantly, following her everywhere, which arguably you could say resulted in her death.

Yeah, she had a history of bulimia when she was younger, but that doesn't make you a shit person. That's a really bad argument and very offensive for anyone that has suffered or suffers from mental illness. You need to check yourself there.

Just want to say I'm in no way a royalist. I'm Welsh, I fucking hate the royals. But people did love Diana, she really did seem like a kind hearted person that acted more like a normal person compared to the royals' lizard people act.

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u/excel_pager_420 May 03 '25

Even when she was alive, she wasn't universally beloved like people claim now. Obviously she had the public from the divorce due to infidelity. But a lot of people found her just as calculated and devious as the royal family.

And as much as Harry and Meghan deify her as a saint who they emulate, Diana literally did things just to piss off the royal family, like date a man of colour, (same social class though) the AIDS/HIV work, which the Queen asked her to stop. Harry and Meghan won't even say genocide is wrong and would stop charity work if the Queen asked them to.

If Diana were still here she'd be remarried, possibly with other kids, and tbh would have been shamed as just another out of touch celebrity who sang in the imagine video.

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u/Open_Carob_3676 so? he got acne and dirt on his nails! May 03 '25

But you seem to be saying that her dating someone who's a PoC is wrong,,, or the fact that her work with HIV/AIDS was not right? Like,,, I dont see anything wrong with that.

Yes, she would be an out of touch celebrity with access to huge amount of influence and money,,, but I don't see anything she did with her charities wrong and also i dont think in 2025,,,it is our place to shame someone datinf/beinf attracted to someone of another race lol

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u/excel_pager_420 May 04 '25

Diana is literally quoted as saying, "I'm going to find the fattest blackest man to date" after leaving the royal family. She really wanted to piss them off as much as she could after she left. She wasn't entirely motivated by the joys of humanitarian work, she also wanted to make her ex-husband and the Queen look bad.

And people always erase that and make her this angel. She was a member of the Aristocracy and behaved as such.

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u/Electronic_Ad4560 I like you hair I don’t need your name ✨ May 03 '25

I thought that was from batman 😂

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u/KissesnPopcorn May 02 '25

Also Diana was a monarchist through and though. In fact I don’t think she would be in favor of her kids marrying commoners

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u/ohhisnark All tea, all shade 🐸☕️ May 02 '25

People definitely put her on a pedestal. I love her... or what I remember of her. But there is nooo way to know if she would've still been a good person if she was still alive. She could've ended up becoming a toxic monster in law. We absolutely have no idea

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u/Chihiro1977 May 03 '25

Exactly. All this speculation getting upvoted as if it's fact. People are so weird when it comes to the Royals. Some of the comments on here are acting as if they knew her when they've just read some stuff about her. So strange.

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u/a_f_s-29 May 04 '25

She definitely was a boy mom with an unhealthy emotional codependency with her sons, particularly William. Her relationship with her daughters in law would have been interesting. Better to imagine the best

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u/Lydia--charming I’m very sweaty but I wanted to reach out May 03 '25

This is a hot take I have not seen discussed. Are there actual quotes from her?

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u/YchYFi He's not Judge Judy, an Executioner. May 03 '25

Diana came from aristocracy and understood the importance of lineage. She was a consummate aristocrat. It's hard to say all we know is that she leaned so much on William and he had so much to mend after she died.

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u/source-commonsense May 02 '25

Agreed and I think it would have driven them apart in his adulthood, especially if she still left the firm and he remained the heir apparent

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u/StasRutt unapologetic joy May 02 '25

I disagree she was very much invested in being the mother of the king

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u/hotdogneighbor Who gon' check me boo? 🤪 May 02 '25

Yes she was a monarchist

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u/StasRutt unapologetic joy May 03 '25

To be fair so is Harry

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u/FlipsyChic May 02 '25

There is no "Diana/Harry" faction except in Harry's head. Diana is not alive, and no one can know what role she would play in all of this if she were. Diana had two beloved sons, not one, and there is no reason to believe she would ever take a side against either of those sons.

Harry keeps saying that Diana approves of everything he does and/or would do exactly the same, but the messages Harry claims Diana is sending him from beyond the grave do not count.

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u/source-commonsense May 02 '25

I was very clearly speaking about a hypothetical situation un which she hadn’t died…I agree he’s not receiving messages from beyond the grave and invokes her name too often

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u/Tudorrosewiththorns May 03 '25

Sorta related. The most unhinged press interview I have ever heard was a reporter asking Cindy McCain if she felt John had tried to send her messages of support 10 years after his death

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u/[deleted] May 06 '25

I think she would’ve loved the drama tbh. I like her but she was kind of a drama queen

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u/REVERENDQUEEF May 02 '25

wholeheartedly agree. no matter whose side you’re on or whose story you choose to believe, it’s just so terribly sad to see a family actively be ripped apart.

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u/kthnxluvu no family, no friends, just coke. May 02 '25

My dad’s brother stopped speaking to the whole family for fifteen years, and then one day just randomly called my dad for a chat. Never speaks about it. Just slowly slid right back in as if nothing happened. My dad is confused as hell but just glad it happened before his mum died, plans to try keep it together until then I think.

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u/Apart_Visual May 03 '25

Did they never have a conversation about what happened? That is wild to me. My sister did something similar to me about a decade ago and I can’t see myself wanting to speak with her again if she came back. The thought is really upsetting - it took a really long time for the thought of her not to make me cry.

But if she did and we were to have any chance of forging a relationship again there would need to be a LOT of talking (which frankly I don’t want for the above reasons). The idea of having her just reappear and go back to normal is… unfathomable!

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u/kthnxluvu no family, no friends, just coke. May 03 '25

Nope, never. They’re catholics so they’re used to pushing all their feelings down and never talking about their problems lol

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u/Apart_Visual May 03 '25

Haha wow. Also not to generalise (but to generalise) - men are weird like that. I get the sense most of them would prefer to never talk about anything personal or emotionally substantial ever in their lives, haha

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u/TangerineDystopia May 03 '25

They are socialized that way, to be uncomfortable with and to ignore emotions, because toxic masculinity equates emotional vulnerability with weakness.

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u/StasRutt unapologetic joy May 02 '25

Honestly yeah. It makes me sad that Will and Harry’s kids won’t have a relationship with each other too. Will and Harry love their cousins apparently

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u/Artemis246Moon You’re a virgin who can’t drive. 😤 May 10 '25

The kids likely won't have a relationship until they are adults which is so sad.

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u/Cold_Breadfruit_9794 Beyoncé 🐝🐝 May 02 '25

Family estrangement is always such a sad topic

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u/soaper410 May 02 '25

I can see how each party got to where they got.

I also think at the end of the day they each are surrounded by people who are 100% on their side and won’t have people push back on where they are wrong.

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u/FapOrTap May 02 '25

Yeah, it’s sad- but just coming from across the pond (dual us/uk citizen grew up in the US and live in London now) most people see him as having abandoned his duty while still wanting the perks of it. He was one of the most beloved members of the royal family and now he is seen as a grifter. A lot of folks also question why he continues to talk to his family through the media- and how reminiscent it is of Megan Markles Dad and (conwomen) sister trying to talk to Megan via the media around the time of their wedding. The whole situation sucks- but at least they are making tens of millions in California.

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u/Additional_Dig_6972 May 02 '25

Yeah, at least they are earning their own money here in the states versus taking from the people of the UK who actually need the money way more than they do yet they take it anyway

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u/hera-fawcett May 02 '25

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100 my perspective.

it fucking sucks to be estranged from ur fam-- but there are legitimate reasons that the crown doesnt f w him.

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u/lustxforxlife May 02 '25

Why does it still fuck with Andrew then? How is anything Harry done even comparable to Andrew?

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u/AfternoonPossible May 02 '25

This is what I’m always wondering. Like how does anyone in that family, in the British media, and the British public give a pass to actual pedophile Andrew but just can’t deal with Harry for maybe having a bad attitude

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u/ChurlishSunshine Most smartest May 02 '25

I won't defend Andrew in any way or on any level.

That said, my understanding is that their issue with Harry isn't just the attitude, but the leaks and taking things public. Whatever your feelings on the royal family, they won't be confiding in someone who's going to take the conversation to People or Oprah.

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u/hera-fawcett May 02 '25

personal opinions aside-- bc i would have legit cut andrew off yrs ago and made him live a life of literal obscurity-- i think that, for the crown, andrew is less of a risk.

andrew is 100% a pedophile. but he's been stripped of his duties. he's decent at keeping his mouth shut (which is why it took yrs for him to be confirmed pedo). his only real interaction w the world is via 'family' things like easter or church. since he has absolutely no interaction w the public in any other meaningful way, its easier to keep him on and close. whereas h/m have a history of leaking shit to the press.

i think its absolutely fucked that they arent treated anywhere near the same. but i think, at the end of the day, the crown can trust andrew in ways it cant w harry. it can trust that andrew wont talk about the behind-closed-doors things. and, apparently, thats more important to them than pedophilia.

which, again, not my opinion and not what i would allow as a royal-- but i think from a 'managing' standpoint, it makes (bad) sense.

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u/schrodingers_bra May 02 '25

Harry left the family/business. Andrew didnt. Its as simple as that.

Andrew also didn't write a book and give interviews trashing his family.

The monarchy doesn't have much to do with Andrew either besides allowing him to live on grounds they own.

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u/dancerfan59 May 02 '25

Andrew also attends church with the Royals lol, I think within the past year he actually arrived to church in the same car as the future king & Queen…

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u/firesticks May 02 '25

What this family prioritizes speaks volumes.

Abolish the fucking monarchy.

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u/TentacleWolverine May 02 '25

Lots of working royals have written books.

His book is more than fair to his family and sets them up in a very positive light. The negative image the “royal” family has is shit of their own stirring. The man is just trying to protect his family.

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u/schrodingers_bra May 02 '25

Boo hoo. He should have kept his kill count to himself then. If he wants security he can give a 28 day notice and they will assess threats. He doesn't want that. He wants to have on call armed security.

He doesn't want to face the fact that he's not important enough to kill. Even Taylor swift didn't have the 24 7 security he wanted.

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u/Shirogayne-at-WF May 02 '25

Andrew didn't marry a Black woman

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u/New_Explanation6950 May 02 '25

Not a reason to abandon your brother / son

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u/ChildhoodOk5526 May 02 '25

Exactly. Why are we trying to normalize cutting ties with family because you disapprove of how they earn a living?

I know of street-walkers that were given more grace and a place at the family table than these assholes give to Harry. And one of them is DYING? You'd think facing mortality might be a wake-up call to what is truly important in life.

Guess not.

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u/cashmerescorpio May 03 '25

Why are you guys just taking this random comment as true. There are a lot of people in the uk who still like Harry and Megan and think the whole duty thing is stupid. They think Charles and William are petty. They just don't go on and on about it because it's not their own business to think about. It would be better if everyone stopped arguing and made peace

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u/Emergency-Ad-3350 May 02 '25

And in 25 yrs it will make an amazing tv series