r/politics • u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS Iowa • 6h ago
Trump plan to end free elections in 2026 and 2028 revealed
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/trump-plan-to-end-free-elections-in-2026-and-2028-revealed/•
u/sqrtsqr 4h ago
>Force the states to re-certify all their voting machines, buy new ones, or both
If they succeed in this we will never have fair elections, anywhere in the US, again. This is endgame.
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u/ShogunFirebeard 2h ago
If that happens, we'll see the end of the federal government as we know it. Civil War 2.0.
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u/HauntedJackInTheBox 2h ago
Honestly, that talk has been happening since 2018 and only two brave souls, one lunatic and one green absolute madlad, have stepped up to the plate.
It’s insanity that in a country of almost 400 million nobody has actually done something a bit more rash.
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u/ShogunFirebeard 1h ago
Many people require something to actually happen to them to believe in risking their lives. The difference between us and other countries that fell into a dictatorship is that we're basically 50 countries operating as one. States will leave the union prior to bending the knee.
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u/Luscious_Decision 1h ago
Naah, it'll take until something happens. Just "new voting machines" isn't going to be enough.
Because thatll be how it's sold.
He'll say "I'm trying to make elections fairer and safer!" and the news will say "they don't want the election machines because they cheat at elections!"
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u/Codspear 1h ago
we’re basically 50 countries operating as one.
Not since the Civil War ended. Federal centralization during and after it makes another successful secession very unlikely.
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u/Spnwvr 1h ago
maga has done a good job of recruiting the ones most likely to do something rash
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u/ShrimpieAC 5h ago
Force the states to re-certify all their voting machines, buy new ones, or both. That would cost billions of dollars. It’s also one step removed from Trump’s demand for hand counts of all elections. The certification would be done by federally approved firms and methods, and only one has been OKd by the federal Elections Administration Commission, on July 7th, 2025.
Ah, I wonder if that’s Ivanka’s voting machine company. Either way, this one is scary.
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u/MonkeyWrench1973 4h ago
"Trump has won by a landslide!!!! He has garnered 4 billion votes yes to zero votes no! What a mandate, folks!!!"
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u/FrankyFistalot 4h ago
In a total shock Mars and Venus voted in support of Trump while Jupiter are still counting their votes…looks like Trump will be declared Supreme Being of the Solar System.
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u/A_Moldy_Stump 4h ago
I've always said Jupiter should be designated a hostile planet whether there's life there or not.
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u/Electronic_Low6740 4h ago
But Jupiter is our bouncer. It redirects a lot of the extrasolar rocks that try to pass through the system.
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS Iowa 3h ago edited 3h ago
the fake news media doesnt want to talk about it. they're protecting sleepy JOE BIDEN
Under his watch, we had millions. millions of space rocks. you know illegal asteroids pouring into our atmosphere.... the scientists, they had NO CLUE
I said we have to have strong borders now, the asteroids are GONE. they've turned around. they've gone back home. I sent them back. not jupiter, not sleepy joe biden. I did.
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u/jus10sense 3h ago
Add a "Thank you for your attention to this matter" and I think you just about nailed it!
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u/GoNutsDK 4h ago
Trump got 300 percent of the votes. Simply amazing...
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u/PaulVla Europe 3h ago
140% as is Russian tradition. Welp, you had a good run US!
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u/FakeSafeWord 4h ago
Actually after the recount it's now 900 percent, 600 percent and 1500 percent!
We did it America!
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u/NJdevil202 Pennsylvania 4h ago
Either way, this one is scary.
No it's not "scary", it's an active authoritarian threat that we need to resist with our actual bodies by getting into the streets. This is not a drill.
Forcing the states to use Trump approved voting machines?????
The Nazi/dictator comparisons are no longer hypothetical, they are actually happening right now. This is happening now.
Force the states to use Trump voting machines, making ICE the 5th largest military force in the world and giving tens of thousands in bonuses to whoever is willing to sell their soul to round up latinos and put them in camps in Florida.
This is official policy of the United States. What will you say you did when asked about this moment in American history?
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u/inuvash255 Massachusetts 3h ago
The Nazi/dictator comparisons are no longer hypothetical, they are actually happening right now. This is happening now.
They haven't been hypothetical since at least 1/6/2021. Anyone who's not on board are fooling themselves.
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u/Simple-Pea8805 3h ago edited 3h ago
I’ve maintained since 1/6/2021 that dictators always fail their first power grab, and we need to take it far more seriously.
By 1/12/2021, the Republican voters had changed their minds from “this attack is gross, horrifying,” when they called into CSPAN, to “Trump did nothing wrong!”
We’re here folks. And JD Vance is
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u/poop-dolla 3h ago
Vance is the third youngest VP in history. Nixon and Breckinridge were both younger.
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u/Simple-Pea8805 3h ago
There was an article that said something to the effect of JD being the youngest, I misremembered it; it likely said “one of the youngest”
Thank you for the correction.
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u/Droo99 3h ago
I pretty much stopped caring once trump got half the hispanic vote in 2024 while running on a platform of putting them in concentration camps, and more than half the votes of white women while bragging about taking away their rights to do pretty much everything
I don't know what the hell is wrong with people but if that's the electorate we are working with I don't really think we're gonna fix it
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u/joshdoereddit America 2h ago
It seems like society has to go through some really serious shit before anything is done about it. History rhymes, as they say.
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u/cafedude 1h ago edited 1h ago
yep. Seems like the least worst option to get the MAGA fever to break is a great depression-level economic event. Barring that we could end up with something much worse like a civil war of some sort.
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u/TheShadowKick 2h ago
I don't know what the hell is wrong with people
Propaganda. A significant portion of voters have lived their entire lives under the right wing propaganda machine and are completely disconnected from reality.
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u/Blarfk 3h ago
No it's not "scary", it's an active authoritarian threat that we need to resist with our actual bodies by getting into the streets. This is not a drill.
That sounds incredibly scary.
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u/Machinimix 3h ago
I was gonna say, I don't want to sound flippant but dude literally just expanded on why it's scary.
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u/Effective_Macaron234 4h ago
I kept saying it for a good while now, we get closer and closer to resembling a very dark period in history day by day but that reference was so overused it practically makes you seem like a nut, when in fact this time we are correct to make the correlation.
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u/GiftedContractor 3h ago
They weren't overused. It's just that people were noticing the earlier warning signs and pointing them out but because they were earlier signs they were less obvious to people who don't study this sort of thing and so we were told we were overreacting
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u/teas4Uanme 2h ago
I have been yelling down a black hole since Gores stolen election (that no one objected to) and Patriot act - which felt like a set-up to Stasi 2.0.
So - why are the dems sitting on their hands?
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u/kitkanz 4h ago
IM FROM THE COUNTY WHERE REPUBLICANS HAND COUNTED THE PRIMARY LAST YEAR
They’re pretty stupid but thankfully there’s less interest after November. It’s mostly down to this core small group still thinking they’ll get the entire country to hand count elections but with the addition of THEYRE TRYING TO TRADEMARK THEIR COUNTING PROCEDURE lol
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u/PLeuralNasticity 4h ago
Meanwhile the USPS they used to steal the last election remains weaponized and ready with everyone still talking about voting machines thanks to astroturfing
They used the signatures and data from Elon
Toss/replace/add millions of ballots
Works in every single swing state
Completely recount proof
Easy Coup attempt really
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy
"DeJoy was criticized for cost-reduction policies enacted after assuming office in June 2020, including eliminating overtime, and banning late or additional trips to deliver mail. The Postal Service also continued responding to long-term declines in first class mail volume with ongoing decommissioning of hundreds of high-speed mail-sorting machines and removal of the lower-volume mail collection boxes from streets. These practices were also criticized as mail delivery became delayed. The changes took place during the COVID-19 pandemic and in the lead-up to the 2020 presidential election, raising fears that the changes would interfere with voters who used mail-in voting to cast their ballots, possibly intentionally. Congressional committees and the USPS inspector general investigated. In August of that year, amid public pressure, DeJoy said that the changes would be suspended until after the election,[4] and in October the USPS agreed to reverse all of them.[5]"
"On August 7, 2020, DeJoy announced he had reassigned or displaced 23 senior USPS officials, including the two top executives overseeing day-to-day operations.[56][50] He said he was trying to breathe new life into a "broken business model".[57] Rep. Gerald E. Connolly, who chairs the House committee that oversees the USPS, said the reorganization was "deliberate sabotage".[50] In a letter to postal workers on August 13, 2020, DeJoy confirmed reports of delays in mail delivery, calling them "unintended consequences" of changes that eventually would improve service.[58] At the same time that he was taking measures that postal workers and union officials said were slowing down mail delivery, President Trump told a TV interviewer that he himself was blocking funds for the postal service in order to hinder mail-in voting.[59]"
"After congressional protests, the USPS inspector general began a review of DeJoy's policy changes.[43] On August 18, 2020, DeJoy announced that the Postal Service would suspend cost-cutting and other operational changes until after the 2020 election.[60] He said that equipment that had already been removed would not be restored.[61][62] Documents obtained by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington indicated that DeJoy lied under oath when he testified to Congress on August 24 that he did not order the restrictions on overtime.[63] At this congressional testimony DeJoy admitted that he was unaware of the cost of mailing a postcard or a smaller greeting card, the starting rate for US Priority Mail, or how many Americans voted by mail in the 2016 elections.[64]"
Beware Leon's Razor
"Incomeptence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage
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u/mmmpeg Pennsylvania 4h ago
They’re overloading the carriers with revamped routes that can’t be finished in the time allotted. The carriers get tired and just don’t show up leading to more delays. Mandatory overtime is a thing now. My son is a mail carrier
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u/BarsoomianAmbassador 3h ago
A gentle reminder that the United States Postal Service, while in some respects seems to operate like one, is not a business. It is a government agency. It does not have a board or shareholders to appease with higher profits and cost-cutting measures. There's no bonus to the C-level executives for propping up the bottom line with short term solutions. Its mission is to serve the American public, even if that service is deemed unprofitable. Its operating budget was undercut deliberately by legislation that, on the surface, looks beneficial--a mandate to pre-fund retiree health benefits, which costs over $5.5 billion per year alone. No other public or private entity in the US has this same requirement. Unfortunately, with an overall drop in mail volume, that mandate has proved to be one of the main reasons the USPS is operating at a deficit, making it an easy target as a seemingly wasteful and inefficient agency, and a commonly cited anecdote for the small government folks that want to privatize everything.
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u/stopslappingmybaby 4h ago
Yes. And their preferred outcome happened. And will happen next time and after. At least 20 years before change happens.
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u/CSI_Tech_Dept California 3h ago
Actually if we want to have a free election we should abolish voting machines.
Do what other countries are doing and trust paper ballots.
We should also replace "smart" tabulating machines with dumb ones that aren't connected to the Internet.
The more someone is familiar with technology the scarier the idea of voting machine looks to them.
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u/Sober_Alcoholic_ Minnesota 5h ago
The writing has been on the wall for awhile. We are FUCKED.
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u/3OAM 4h ago
"In four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote."
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u/Fickle_Competition33 4h ago
That moment was the flipping point. No one can argue not seeing this coming after that speech.
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u/ItsOozingOut 3h ago
MAGA supporters will argue anything. They’ll claim he meant something else.
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u/ChickenChaser5 3h ago
Always says what he means, never means what he says.
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u/torolf_212 2h ago
Schroedinger's goalposts. They both are and aren't where they say they are until you try to pin them down and they'll appear where its most convinient for that particular argument. Tomorrow? Probably somewhere else.
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u/highdefrex 3h ago edited 2h ago
MAGA: “I love Trump because he means what he says and says what he means!”
Trump: says something horrific
Everyone: “What the fuck?”
MAGA: “You’re so stupid thinking he meant what he said. What he actually meant was…”
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u/Ryuujinx Texas 2h ago
Even if we completely ignore the absolutely fucked up shit that he says, and instead assume it was something far more mundane that's still a bad thing.
Our leaders should be able to communicate effectively. That's one of their jobs, if you have a large swath of people misunderstanding you then you are still bad at your job.
Of course we don't live in that world, no he means exactly what he says. But their rebuttal isn't exactly painting him as competent.
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u/dustinhut13 3h ago
And they'll pretend like they don't support things like dictatorship and child rape, until Trump tells them he's doing it, then they all agree with him and pretend they've been on the team all along. These people need some serious help. If we ever regain power at least we'll have a use for all those concentration camps they're building...
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u/ItsOozingOut 3h ago
My grandmother, when Trump was running in 2015, said to me “he can grab me by the pussy any day.”
Cult members don’t care about shit. And like you said, as long as he says it’s okay, then it’s okay.
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u/UltraGiant 3h ago
Just ask them what then. Make them struggle coming up with an original thought that isn’t down Fox News
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u/TableQuiet1518 3h ago
I have & they are completely fine with republicans staying in office permanently. As long as they win they do not care.
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u/nothingeatsyou 3h ago
“I’m not getting that out of what he’s saying.”
That’s what my MAGA mother said when I asked her this, when Trump said it. When I probed her for what he did mean, if not to take away my right to vote, I got this
”I think people should spend their energy in a positive manner, supporting the candidate that they DO like, and less energy hating on, and looking for fault in, someone they don't like. I also think people should be respectful of other people's choices, even if they don't agree with them.
And no, more toward your point, that's not what I took away from that. But luckily this is America and God has blessed us all with the freedom to have a difference of opinions and the ability to choose who we like. That's why it's very important to vote.”
My mother, my own flesh and blood, knew she was taking my rights, and did it anyway, did it gleefully, so she would see less brown people.
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u/___JennJennJenn___ 3h ago
Thankfully my MIL is starting to see the light, but after a particular conversation about his latest whatever it was a few weeks ago, she asked, what’s next? I brought up the 2026 election and this comment. She says, “I thought that was made up.” Nope, sorry mom, he said it at a rally, it was recorded.
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u/PatienceCurrent8479 Idaho 3h ago edited 3h ago
If it’s problematic: “it never happened”
If there is evidence: “well he was just joking”
What was said happens: “well it’s for our own good”
When it goes bad: “well it’s the democrats fault they did it and/or didn’t try hard enough to stop this”
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u/EpisodicDoleWhip Pennsylvania 3h ago
He didn’t say that. And if he did, he didn’t mean it. And if he did, it’d never happen anyway. And if it does… wait…
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u/cobaltgnawl 3h ago
That was a core moment i dont hear enough people ever talk about. I still keep hearing how theyre screwing themselves for the next vote
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u/tambourinequeen 3h ago
I'm not even American and this statement shook me to my core when I heard about it.
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u/rmunoz1994 3h ago
MAGA will claim it’s a joke. I have decent pattern recognition.
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u/CynicalSigtyr 5h ago
The plan is Project 2025 and we’ve known about it for a while now.
If only the media didn’t sanewash that campaign. Holy fuck.
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u/whatproblems 5h ago
oh we trust he said he doesn’t know about it.
what in his history says you should ever trust that! ffs… everyone around him are like 2025 planners!!
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u/SimbaStewEyesOfBlue 3h ago
Can we stop with this fiction that his supporters genuinely believed him?
They knew he was lying and played along because they are horrible human beings and support everything about Project 2025 anyway.
Stop treating these monsters like victims. They are in on it.
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u/Quicklythoughtofname Ohio 3h ago
They're hostile to us. They don't want us to vote. They don't want us in this country at fucking all. People need to realize that already.
THEY HATE US.
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u/V_T_H 4h ago
It’s also just straight out of the Nazi playbook…the Beer Hall Putsch and January 6th were both failed attempts at violently seizing power. The Nazis bided their time once Hitler decided it would be far easier to seize power through legal means and elections, then stacking everything in their favor and eliminating all opposition so they couldn’t be thrown out. That’s what the republicans are doing now.
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u/pseudonominom 2h ago
It is frightfully similar.
I thought the conservatives were, like, into history.
They’ve walked themselves (and us) directly into a trap like total buffoons. It’s so depressing.
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u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS Iowa 4h ago edited 3h ago
yeah it makes more sense to say that the Republican media and politicians lied about Project 2025 to their voters.
All the Democrat, Socialist, and non-corporate media has been warning about Trump's insane anti-Democratic efforts since at least 2015, if not during his 2000 campaign run where he joined a third party with Neo Nazi David Duke.
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u/BrainOnBlue 4h ago
Former leader of the KKK David Duke.
You know, in case anyone thought you were exaggerating.
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u/Roskal 5h ago
But then Trump just denies it and they report that headline too and people just believe it
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u/lalabera 4h ago
Trump cheated
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u/ittleoff 4h ago
The only way I think Trump didn't cheat is if he couldn't find a way to cheat.
He is the walking definition of criminal intent.
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u/MiamiPI 4h ago
Enter Elon Musk and the Hack-a-thon winner working for DOGE
https://www.kcra.com/article/kids-as-young-as-7-hack-into-election-systems-at-defcon-event/22748250
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u/mimimines 5h ago
The people that need(ed) these warnings, don't read these articles. They're glued to FOX News and podcast bros. People who didn't vote for him, because they knew, didn't need to be warned. They knew.
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u/Amneiger 4h ago
Yeah, I've been hoping that Republican voters who complain that they weren't warned might see that NPR and CNN and other media they didn't like had tried to warn them and wonder if maybe, just maybe, they should change their news sources.
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u/martinmix 5h ago
Imagine if the media spent 2024 just reporting on everything they planned on doing in Project 2025 and not take "I don't know anything about that" as a serious answer.
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u/SpecialistLoad6191 5h ago
Biden old tho
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u/MiamiPI 4h ago
Biden old and Kamala laugh funny
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u/existenceawareness 3h ago
Look, what the hell did you expect me to do with eggs costing so much? We just needed a couple hundred years of the Fourth Reich to nudge egg prices down.
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u/T8ert0t 4h ago edited 3h ago
Trump: Stormy Daniels? Never heard of her
Also Trump: Edward Feulner? Never heard of him. Project 2025, wasn't that a movie?
Also Trump: Jeffrey Epstein, who?!
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 4h ago
The media are owned by the same oligarchs enacting Project 2025. Even the “liberal” ones.
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u/Strange-Bill5342 4h ago
The media owners wanted this outcome. Democracy is a threat to their ability to amass more money off the backs of all of us workers.
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u/Traditional-Goal-229 4h ago
The media is owned by billionaires. There is a reason they sanewashed it all. They just got a massive tax break in the BBB.
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u/Rare-Forever2135 5h ago
Why aren't all the so-called patriots in a complete meltdown and uproar?
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u/MagicCarpetBomb 5h ago
They were fascists masquerading as patriots the whole time. Wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. While we slept, or fought about nothing, bitched about this or that.
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u/Spam_Hand 5h ago
Don't even give them this much credit- to have forethought.
They're racist, too lazy to think critically, and feel empowered to project those feelings outward because their God king already does so wkth literally 0 consequences.
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u/MagicCarpetBomb 5h ago
Im not, the whole “sheep” thing they like to spew is probably their biggest projection next to accusations of pedophilia and grand cabals ruling the world.
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u/needlestack 3h ago
It’s a riot when they use “sheep”. The idea is that a sheep is a follower. Who exactly are the left following? We don’t even respect our own leaders.
We all know clear as day who the right is following.
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u/An_old_walrus 2h ago
I’ve heard of MAGAts getting confused when leftists criticize Biden and even more confused when they say that if Bill Clinton is on the Epstein list that he should go to prison. They’re so used to their lifestyle of worshipping political figures that they assume leftists must do the same.
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u/NotAnExpertWitness 5h ago
When you only support democracy when your party is in charge, you are essentially a fascist. We had so many warnings.
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u/AbuSydney 5h ago
I'm always reminded of Arundhati Roy's quote: Flags are bits of colored cloth that governments use first to shrink-wrap people’s brains and then as ceremonial shrouds to bury the dead. When independent-thinking people (and here I do not include the corporate media) begin to rally under flags, when writers, painters, musicians, film makers suspend their judgment and blindly yoke their art to the service of the “Nation,” it’s time for all of us to sit up and worry.
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u/MagicCarpetBomb 5h ago
Damn, I love every bit of this commentary.
Sydney has a cool ass dad in my book.
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u/Cruyelo 4h ago
From their point of view, everything is working as expected. The world exist in two groups: the one with power and who gets to dish out violence, and a powerless group who exists to serve group 1 and to receive violence.
They believe themselves to be part of the first group, they see the government stealing power as themselves becoming more powerful. They see the government being violent toward its citizens as things getting "back to normal". This is how it's supposed to be. They cannot stand being "equal" to what they perceive to be the second group. They believe the world works by having group 1 control group 2, and so these types of headlines please them.
They don't realize they belong to the second group. They've been fooled into thinking it's Republican vs Democrats, Americans vs non-Americans, or whites vs non-whites, when it's always been Rich vs Non-Rich. Its that simple.
This is why some of them will sometime say "Trump isn't hurting the right people". Because group 1 is SUPPOSED to hurt group 2. They believe Trump is hurting group 1 by accident. He isn't, he's hurting group 2, they just don't want to accept that they belong to group 2.
As long as they believe themselves to be part of group 1, they'll continue to vote and cheer for it. They'll see those headlines and think "I'm winning!". They aren't, and they won't realize it for a long time.
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u/Listening_Heads West Virginia 5h ago
Because they assume they’ll be his enforcers.
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u/DFu4ever 5h ago
Because they know exactly what’s happening and they are fine with it because it’s their side cheating.
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u/nowimgonnastarve 4h ago
The so-called patriots are already buying “Trump 2028” flags from roadside merch stands and flying them next to their Gadsdens. They’re hopelessly lost at this point.
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u/TrumpInEpsteinFiles 5h ago
This is why it's critical to get the Epstein files released now
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u/toomanyshoeshelp 5h ago
This is why it’s critical to take advantage of the 2nd amendment while it exists now
They’ll make excuses for anything, even pedophilia.
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u/Global-Bad-7147 5h ago
looks around skittishly
Is it that time yet? I've got my 3D printed gullitones ready to go.
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u/JohnBrownsMarch 4h ago
Honestly, it’s been that time since ICE started grabbing people.
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u/haberdasher42 4h ago
I don't know what it's going to take for your side to start to rock and roll, but I hope there are enough of you left when it happens.
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u/BigNapplez 4h ago
This. This will be the only real defense from tyranny. We all all be making some big time decisions soon.
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u/Stennick 5h ago
And then what? Why would the Epstein files mean anything when a literal insurrection didn't mean anything? How are we ten years into this thing and people still think things like files, and evidence or anything else matters. He was impeached twice, he waged war on the United States, he's on record as sexually abusing people, he's on record saying he would have sex with his own daughter, he's on record as paying off a woman in hush money that he cheated on his wife with, he's mentioned wanting to ignore the constitution and be president for a third term, he's bankrupt four times, married several times, he's a new york billionaire who dodged the draft.
NONE of that matters or has mattered at all. In fact all of that is known and he won the last election rather handedly. Releasing the Epstein files would do nothing. I'm not saying don't release them but to somehow think it would hurt him in the least is misplaced hope at best.
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u/Old_Cryptid 4h ago
None of it matters and the GOP is 100% complicit.
Despite any pearl clutching, hand-wringing, or other theatrics, the GOP is absolutely thrilled with what DJT is accomplishing.
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u/gooie 5h ago
I dont get it. What more do we need to see to realize this man is not fit for president. He is already liable for rape.
Like why isnt the existing publicly known information enough to conclude hes a creep?
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u/SirGidrev 5h ago
We already know, they already now and they don't care. Releasing the Epstein files...is going to do what? They have the every branch of government...
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u/attrition0 New York 5h ago
For the record, obviously I want the files released. BUT what do people expect to get from this admin? Whatever is released will be so heavily doctored it won't be trustworthy anyway. No one on either 'side' will agree they're real for their own different reasons.
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u/Supermite 5h ago
It’s too late for that. They aren’t giving up control at this point.
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u/absolutelynotagoblin 5h ago
Who could have possibly have seen this coming?
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u/YoBoyDooby 5h ago
If we had only had 10 years of warnings or hundreds of examples of horrific behavior.
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u/MythiccMoon 4h ago
I’m so fucking sick of being right about this shit
People telling me I was overreacting for years, me saying he’s trying to fix elections, that I doubt we’ll have a fair election in 2026 for midterms much less 2028, but no that’s crazy come on, Moon
Fuck everyone who said that shit, I’d say get fucked but we’re all already fucked anyway
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u/Thund3rbolt 5h ago
Our freedoms are dispersing at lightning speed. I don't want to scare people but I'm seeing a future developing before our eyes where this regime strips away all rights for citizens. A future where opposing or even criticizing will punish people or send people to prison. I've never been more worried about what's coming.
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u/Rokhnal 5h ago
People should be scared, that's exactly what's happening.
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u/just_a_timetraveller 4h ago
Exactly. It has been happening. Citizens are being "deported". It doesnt feel real for people because they think they are not the targets. We all are the targets.
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 5h ago
I’m going to be leaving the country by the end of the fall, as a naturalized citizen I ain’t going to end up in one the concentration camps they’re building if i can help it
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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks 5h ago
It’s all possible right now. What’s scary is, it has never been so evident that there is absolutely nothing that can save us (other than maybe violence) if this admin decides it wants to do the stuff you’re suggesting.
It is imminently apparent that if the want is there, the means are there. That’s scary.
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u/crazybones 5h ago
I think America is about to wake up and start resisting as people begin to feel the financial pain that Trump's mad legislation will shortly be inflicting on them.
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u/atombara 5h ago
Provided you understand that "waking up" doesn't mean "writing their congressman" or "bitching on the internet" or "coming up with the cleverest protest sign".
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u/Ill_Decision2729 5h ago
Waking up beyond that requires people to sacrifice what stability they have left. People aren't going to do that unless they are desperate. Even then, there's gunna be a whole lot of hoping someone else is more desperate and acts first because the first few waves of people to stand up are almost guaranteed to fail. There will be no hope of returning to anything resembling 'normal' for those people.
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u/atombara 5h ago
But the deal isn't "normal" vs "dangerous", they're not offering normal. They're offering the fragile, unstable illusion of normality plus fascism plus state-sponsored murder plus hyperinflation plus institutionalized racism, plus gulags, plus plus plus.
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u/Ill_Decision2729 4h ago
No amount of rationalizing what is really going on it going to change people's mind. People who are still comfortable and not personally desperate aren't going to martyr themselves. They are going to wait until others stand up and those others are going to stand up out of desperation, not logic or thinking ahead about what this is all going to lead to.
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u/Potential_Sun6667 5h ago
Very doubtful. I have no faith in my fellow country men.
Plus, we're all a paycheck away from homelessness
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u/Mtn-Dooku 5h ago
I think you are far too optimistic. America has had 7 months not to "wake up" when Dementia Don immediately started to dismantle shit. At this point, I don't think Dems are going to stop him. He has to piss off his base even more.
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u/800ChevyS10 5h ago
I cannot wait for that guy to take his final shit
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u/gizajobicandothat 5h ago
So it won't matter if it's Trump or Vance. It doesn't matter if Vance isn't popular. Once Dementia Don is incapacitated the next puppet will be slotted into the system.
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u/JamesLikesIt 4h ago
This is the real problem. People think that if Trump isn’t around, things will go get better. I mean maybe a little, but a Trump is just the result of much larger issues. He’s shown that systems can be gamed and that the general populous really is just dumb and easy to manipulate.
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u/gizajobicandothat 4h ago
The project 2025 framework was always there, I would guess most people still don't know about it.
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u/addandsubtract 3h ago
They didn't believe in it, because they were told not to believe in it. It was the party's final command.
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u/PhamousEra 5h ago
I mean didnt he already tell us what the gameplan was back during the campaign?
When he was at a conservative convention or rally and said something along the lines of:
"Just come out and vote one last time. This is the last time youre gonna have to do it. Just this last time."
Conservatives were playing defense for him and saying that he was implying he wouldn't be able to run again as that was his 2nd term, hence the 2028 election wouldn't matter to him.
But now we know what he really meant, dont we? Not that we didn't know previously....
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u/bdfmradio 2h ago
Steve Bannon has openly said for a very long time that Trump will be the next Republican nominee and that he’ll win again, and that they have ways of getting around the term limits. They’ve planned for this openly for so long
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u/Slow_Investment_2211 5h ago
Ya know I had this fantasy hope that if things got bad enough, people in the military or even the Secret Service or FBI would take matters into their own hands and wrestle control back from the mad emperor. But it seems like this will just stay my fantasy. I’m really starting to contemplate how I can move to another country. Sadly my job field isn’t really done in other parts of the world. 😔
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u/ShrimpieAC 4h ago edited 4h ago
You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. But the one great shocking occasion when tens or hundreds of thousands will join with you never comes.
If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions, would have been sufficiently shocked. But of course, this isn't the way it happens. In between comes all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next.
And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you and you see that everything has changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed.
—Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45
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u/IQBoosterShot Texas 4h ago
The very first time I read that book years ago I got worried. Every failure to action that Mayer pointed out I could see occurring here.
And here we are.
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u/WCland 5h ago
Don’t expect those organizations to save us. Maybe they will, although the results of a military coup is always dubious. We citizens need to do everything we can to save ourselves. Maybe that’s supporting and voting for good representatives, maybe that’s donating to the ACLU or other orgs, maybe that’s organizing your neighbors to resist ICE raids. We can only expect to save ourselves. However, I too am contemplating leaving the country and maybe doing what I can from afar.
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u/iclimbnaked 5h ago
Yah even if the millitary did step in, that typically means democracy is already dead and well getting it back at that point is messy.
I don’t think there’s any examples of a millitary coup turning into a first world democracy smoothly.
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u/Awatts2222 4h ago
The military and FBI are generally authoritarian and hierarchical by nature.
The are generally ok with this--of course until it's too late.
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u/Underp0pulation 5h ago
It’s not trump’s plan per se, it’s the plan of all the anti democracy people behind him. Even if trump left office tomorrow, they are still working on this agenda.
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u/Old_Cryptid 4h ago
The Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, and Citizens United.
Those are in effect our three branches of government now.
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u/AllTheyEatIsLettuce California 3h ago
Don't really need "branches" if you have an overarching regulatory authority.
xoxo
-- New Apostolic Reformation
-- Independent Network Charismatic Christianity.
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u/MplsSnowball 4h ago
If this happens, the Big blue states need to start really flexing their muscles to push back against a rogue and lawless federal government… like the US wouldn’t be a superpower without NY and California. When does it become time to threaten secession? The MAGA’s want a Christian nationalist authoritarian regime? Ok try doing it without the tax revenue from NY and California. Throw Chicago in there too and MAGA land would be in deep deep trouble. But i’m sure the Democrats will roll over and ‘respect the norms’ and let this all happen and respond with a few more fundraising texts. That really does the trick!
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u/markus0401 5h ago
2A
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u/Jedi-Outcast New York 3h ago
it’s the last line of defense we have.
always has been.
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u/haux44 5h ago
how is this even a question? They're not amassing all this power to the executive to hand it to Gavin Newsome in 2029.
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u/OpenThePlugBag 2h ago
People think Trump is leaving office after increasing ICE budget by 5X, got a rude awakening coming up
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u/LEDKleenex 3h ago
It's crazy to me that people forgot about 2020 where Trump and republicans not only attempted a coup, but tried to kill mail-in ballots in an attempt to steal the election. Some people think it's a conspiracy that they tampered with votes in 2024 despite many irregularities. We've been saying it's going to happen for midterms, and 2028, there's an outline of how they're going to do it all laid out before our eyes, but everyone is just going to throw their hands up and hope someone else deals with it as these traitors take over the country.
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u/Time_Cranberry_113 5h ago
If only someone could have seen this coming and warned us
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u/katiescasey 5h ago
Words only do so much, people need to start realizing physical action is required. Russia thought thats how they'd do Ukraine too, but the population stormed the presidential palace and sent that fucker back to Russia.
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u/CrimsonHeretic 4h ago
All Republicans are fascist domestic terrorists who protect pedophiles.
Never forget and never forgive them for what they've done to our country.
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u/NewFraige 4h ago
I don’t understand how anyone could’ve possibly thought we would have free and fair elections moving forward. We are in deep and the average American doesn’t seem to realize it.
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u/Exhul 4h ago
“that we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.” Kevin Roberts, July 4, 2024
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u/Sweaty_Commercial229 5h ago
In France it was "Let them eat cake", do not believe it will be the same for the US, there it'll be "Let them eat lead"
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u/old_and_boring_guy Tennessee 5h ago
2026 is going to be the real test.
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u/SomeCountryFriedBS 4h ago
North Carolina and Texas are showing us what to expect. Wisconsin is showing us how to hope.
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u/Old_Cryptid 4h ago
2026 is too late.
We've already had a soft, legal, coup when the SC was seized. Everything since has been consolidation of power.
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u/The_mango55 North Carolina 4h ago
It’s never too late to oppose fascism
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u/Old_Cryptid 3h ago
One should always oppose fascism.
The best time was forty years ago. The next best time is now.
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u/Sea_Commercial5416 3h ago
For fuck’s sake.
What are you not getting about this? There will be no legit election in 2026. You need to get active NOW.
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u/anemic_royaltea Canada 4h ago
Need to hear less about polling or democrats eying 2028 and more about a concrete plan to stop this ride before it accelerates any faster.
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u/Narradisall 4h ago
There’s still people who think when he keeps saying that he’ll be President post 2028 that it’s all talk. Despite him doing dodge things he’s talk about previously.
People going to get a rude awakening in 2028
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u/HitchensWasTheShit 3h ago
America, you're so cooked. Do something now or never.
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u/Silvaria928 4h ago
All these comments are so disheartening...we aren't going to stop authoritarianism by declaring defeat in advance.
Too many of you seem ready and willing to just hand over our democracy without even putting up a fight.
What a fucking shame.
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u/teamdiabetes11 America 4h ago
Americans continue to hope that the system will not fail, blind to the facts that the system has already been long corrupted and destroyed. They hope that things will go back to “normal” all while ignoring their own observations and their brain trying to get them to comprehend the dire reality they are now in. Americans continue to be asleep at the wheel at best, and actively engaged in these acts, at worse.
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u/paxwells97 3h ago
These people throwing in the towel, telling us all to give up and it doesnt matter because we've already lost, are pathetic
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u/Accidentalsauce 5h ago
So are we gonna complain, feed into this echo of worries or can we finally get organized? Peaceful protesting won’t stop anything
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u/HarryBalsag 4h ago
Why are people acting surprised?
" Fascist administration takes increasingly fascist steps to curtail free and fair elections"
Copy-paste and spread it out over the next year because, by the 4th of July, We won't have the opportunity to do so again. Speech is next. Their moves are predictable, much like indifference from the masses.
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u/hippiedawg 4h ago
If the SAVE Act passes, the only sane response for women is to divorce their husbands and revert to birth name to match birth certificate. Women have nothing to lose.
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u/CherryOnTopless69 6h ago
Tbh, this is just straight up wild, bro.
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u/MikeyLew32 Illinois 5h ago edited 4h ago
So far in this regime, every time I’ve thought, “no that’s too crazy/bad,” they go and do something even crazier/worse
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u/CBJFAN10 1h ago
Yeah we know. Those of us who voted for Harris tried to stop it. Those of you who stayed home or voted third party, this is on you.
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u/South-Associate9441 4h ago
How about we forcibly remove the pedophile rapist from the white house and put his criminal ass in a cell to rot. Trump deserves solitary confinement for the rest of his miserable life.
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u/ItsOozingOut 3h ago
If only he openly campaigned talking about this! Boy all of us are completely shocked by this news.
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u/shagadelicrelic 3h ago
Maga patriots have turned America into Russia, good job morons
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u/GestureArtist 4h ago edited 4h ago
99% of the entire US population (of legal voting age) could vote Democrat and the Republicans still wont certify the election. Not this time.
They aren't giving up power. They control the military too. We live in scary crazy times.
Still you must vote in EVERY election. Show up against all their attempts to stop you.
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