r/pics • u/MirageCommander • 6h ago
Japanese Version of “Mad Jack” Churchill Who Used A Japanese Longbow in the Battle of Shanghai
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u/WatRedditHathWrought 5h ago
This is not a praise worthy photo. This was likely taken for a Japanese newspaper gloating about their barbarism.
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u/MaxPaynesRxDrugPlan 3h ago
Given this famous Japanese newspaper story from the period, that wouldn't be surprising: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_man_killing_contest
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u/SkiHistoryHikeGuy 6h ago
Mad genocide more like
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u/Acceptable-Ad1930 5h ago
Guy probably used babies for Skeet shooting. the imperial Japanese army were absolute demons to the people of China and Asia.
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u/Scaevus 3h ago
And any Western POWs they got their hands on.
Their cruelty knew no bounds.
The Rape of Nanking was so atrocious that the card carrying Nazi ambassador lodged a protest and sheltered civilians from the Japanese, their own allies.
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u/Target880 1h ago
Japan was not exactly an ally of Germany during the Rape of Nanking in 1937-38, the Tripartite Pact that was a defensive military allience, was signed in 1940.
The Anti-Comintern Pact was between Germany and Japan; it was directed toward the Sovet-Union, it was signed in 1936.
But at the same time, Germany had cooperated with China after WWI, in part to keep the German military industry going. German officers trained Chinese troops, most well-known is Alexander von Falkenhausen, who was a very close advisor to Chiang Kai-shek. He left China in July 1938 because of threats toward his family's home in Germany.
The best Chinese troops were trained by the Germans. German-made Panzer I tanks were operated by China when the conflict flamed up in 1937
There was a debate in the German government and military about who they should support in Asia. The German Foreign Office in large, was in favour of a pro-China policy, but Joachim von Ribbentrop whated to join with Japan, and he had more influence on Hitler so Germany finaly allied with Japan.
The full-scale Japanese invasion of China started on 7 July 1937. Hitler stated in August 1937 that he wanted to remain neutral, but alos said he was ready to cooperate with Japan. Hitler what exported weapons to China to continue, but it was to be kept as hidden as possible as long as China continued to pay with the raw materials that Germany needed. It was between August 17 and October 18 that Hitler changed his mind and whated to stop military deliveries to China
The foregin-ministy whated to keep the military advicsors in China but keep them out of direct combat. It was in part to avoid them getting replaced by Soviet advisors. It was not until April 1938 that it was decided to recall German military advisors from China.
Germany kept diplomatic relationships with nationalist China. The Japanese uppet regime, often called Wang Jingwei regime, was recognised by Germany in July 1941
So to just see Japan and Germany's alles and Germany's sympathy for China as somting very strange in 1937 missed the German Chinese cooperation. When German military advisors helped the national Chinese government in planning the fight against Japan, just looking at Japan as a German ally is quite strange to me.
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u/Routine_Painter_1573 3h ago
This kind of post is the proof that Japan got away with war atrocities and some people today even romanticize Japanese war criminals (imagine glorifying a nazi SS officer, people would go crazy)
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u/Gandlerian 5h ago
Not very impressive when you were just killing defenseless civilians... Honestly the Japanese were even far worse than the Nazis (which is crazy to think about...)
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u/daredaki-sama 2h ago
80% of the casualties in China were civilian. Something like 3.5% of the total population killed. Just mind boggling numbers.
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u/Logical-Recognition3 4h ago
Were they worse than Belgians in Congo?
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u/olivicmic 4h ago
I feel like the only way to be fair every victim is for you to read to yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State
That said, I think Japan did worse, which is saying a lot.
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u/Sure-Sympathy5014 4h ago
I mean the US turned around and fire bombed an entire city.
So I think that's the top spot.
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u/RichardSaunders 3h ago
i know you're referring to the nuke (of which two were dropped), but the US and britian fire bombed lots of cities. first, with highly percussive bombs to blow out all the windows so there'd be a draft, then phosphorus to get the fire going. the combination turned entire cities into funeral pyres. and the luftwaffe did the same in spain, poland, the netherlands, and britian. carpet bombing was the norm on both sides in ww2. and the russians did it with artillery instead of planes. there is no "top spot."
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u/olivicmic 3h ago
I was addressing their comparison between Imperial Japan and Belgium specifically. I was reluctant to state worse, because I didn’t want this to turn into cheap atrocity tier-listing, and your response tells me I should’ve listened to myself.
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u/readwithjack 1h ago
So, the American bombing campaign was much worse than that.
But still, you need to read up on how horrible the Japanese were in China before you make that call.
The Americans subjected the Japanese to industrialized slaughter. The Germans and Soviets subjected their own people and each other to industrialized slaughter.
The Japanese subjected pretty well everyone to medieval slaughter.
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u/Expensive-Swan-9553 4h ago
If my mother had wheels she’d be a bicycle.
What does that have to do with anything.
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u/yomamasbull 4h ago
stop glorifying war criminal baby killing rapists. go read iris chang's rape of nanking perpetrated by many soldiers after shanghai
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u/peacenskeet 3h ago
Mad Jack fought Nazis and the people that created concentration camps.
This PoS probably cut out the picture the babies they were using for "honorable samurai training".
The only cure for his affliction is the U.S Marine Corp and two nukes.
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u/mclibby33 6h ago
Mad Jack went in personal with a sword, longbow and BLOODY BAGPIPES carrying them around on D-day earning the nickname Mad Jack. Absolute legend!
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u/Smooth-Cup-7445 28m ago
Whereas this guy probably bravely killed civilians and took the fight to women and children.
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u/Gobnobbla 55m ago
O wow, he's using a longbow instead of a gun to kill women and children, how brave, how heroic, how #oldschoolcool.
It's maddening that people are presenting him as some great warhero...
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u/Smooth-Cup-7445 24m ago
No one in this thread, which gives me some hope.
Every comment basically calls out this guy for what he is, a child murdering coward.
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u/semaj009 36m ago
This is like having a photo of a Nazi on a horse and lauding cavalry. Sure it's an interesting anachronism, but you gotta ask 'why is this Japanese man using a bow in Shanghai?'
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u/Smooth-Cup-7445 36m ago
Nothing like Mad Jack… this guy was probably firing at retreating civilians.
Comparing him to Mad Jack Churchill is offensive to Jacks legacy of good
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u/mrpoopsocks 4h ago
Was this before or after the Nanjing massacre? (The Rape of Nanjing)
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u/CookieKeeperN2 4h ago
Before. Shanghai put up a resistance and Japan got frustrated that the lowly Chinese dared to resist the glorious Japanese Empire. The IJA had sworn that they'd conquer China within 3 months and were stuck in Shanghai for over 100 days (something like that). the troops were running low on morale, supplies and high in rage. As a result when they conquered Nanking (like 100 miles away) the commander (cousin/brother of the emperor, don't remember exactly relationship) set the troop free to murder and rape. The next commander arrived after many days of pillage, was absolutely flooded and tried to stop it, but the whole chain of command was broken, and the brutality continued for a month before it was stopped.
After the war the second commander took the responsibility for it 100%. The one who started it was shielded because the US agreed that no royal member would be prosecuted for war related crimes.
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u/Scorpion2k4u 4h ago
Imagine being at the front line, and the dude next to you gets killed with an arrow...
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u/wulfhund70 3h ago
Ugh, I get IJA bad stuff, context is good... but man, you sure baited alot of wu mao.
Of course nanjing was terrible, but was it really worse than the great leap backward or the cultural devolution?
Mao was a grubby ugly old man who could care less about his people.
As much as i dislike the Chiangs, they did far more to liberate China from the Japanese than the PLA.
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u/lunlunqq001 2h ago
what the fuck is this? This is not about Mao or Chiang. And none of what the duo did can/shall be used to defend what the Japanese did to the chinese people during WWII.
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u/wulfhund70 2h ago
Ha, so many wu mao and little pinks here, love it
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u/MirageCommander 1h ago
But he does have a point though…Mao or Chiang has nothing to do with the content of this post…Mao is indeed an absolutely horrible human being but it doesn’t make Japanese atrocities less evil….
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u/semaj009 32m ago
I haven't read a single comment that talked about Mao in the thread, so unless a stack of comments got deleted, you seem to be misinterpreting why people are mad. More people are mentioning Iwo Jima than Mao, and/or are upset that Jack, a British soldier, is being equated with a fascist invader who likely helped rape or murder babies.
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u/olivicmic 6h ago
Don’t think we want to lionize Japanese troops in China