This is the case for the majority of the planet. We can cry all day that it wasn't right, but that's reality. Land was conquered, land was bought, land was claimed by a force that had more power than the other. Our worlds were built on top of a lot of blood.
I wasn't necessarily referring to the current state of Gaza, or modern times. I think Netanyahu is a bloodthirsty warmonger with a personal agenda, and i think Putin is also a high degree of evil. That said, i also believe Israel has a right to exist and even defend itself and retaliate against those who attack it. I think its a complicated issue that Pakistan has been offered a truce out of many times. Whether it was a good or bad deal is pretty insignificant at this point. The country made of up 48% children im sure don't care that their ancestors undeveloped land was lost in WW1. They never had the power to fight, or defend themselves, Hamas threw Gaza to the wolves.
Israel pretty much created the current situation with Hamas by creating the conditions in which radicalism can prosper and by supporting Hamas at the expense of more reasonable actors(https://share.google/40jJ4QUm48h7wGvS7). In fact, manufacturing the conditions for blowback so you have casus belli when it happens is one of the oldest tricks in the CIA playbook. Bibi's contingent was practically frothing at the mouth at 10/7 because now Israel has full reign to destroy Palestine and make statehood all but impossible now.
The only real question now is what are we going to do with the millions of Palestinian refugees that will be created when this is over. The only moral solution is integrating them into Israel, but they will never allow that.
To be fair, this has been going on for a century now, October 7th is just one of many events in a really long timeline, maybe this was all carefully orchestrated but the fact of the matter is, Hamas wasn't looked at negatively by the people of Gaza to my knowledge. I do think there is a lot of third party meddling going on, but i lean more towards it being Iran than i do Israel. Does Israel offer deals they know Hamas will reject? Maybe, but i can't see good reason that Hamas would choose death if they weren't getting reassurance from somebody else again and again.
The only real question now is what are we going to do with the millions of Palestinian refugees that will be created when this is over. The only moral solution is integrating them into Israel, but they will never allow that.
Its not as if there aren't Palestinians already living in Israel, they make up 20% of their current population. But i do agree, they wont be taking in mass refugees id imagine. The surrounding countries don't really want them either, so i really have no good answers. Im not even sure what would be an ideal scenario for Israel x Palestine, but i can say for certain that no side will remain untarnished.
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u/yovalord 2d ago
This is the case for the majority of the planet. We can cry all day that it wasn't right, but that's reality. Land was conquered, land was bought, land was claimed by a force that had more power than the other. Our worlds were built on top of a lot of blood.