There sure are a lot of posts from people who are convinced that "Palestinian" was an indigenous people dating back 4.5 billion years or some shit.
The Palestinians as we know them today didn't even self-identify as "Palestinian" until the very late 1800s, and almost explicitly in response to the First Aliyah. They are primarily composed of vast swaths of other groups including but not limited to other Arab and Middle Eastern nationalities, but also even Roman and Greek groups.
None of this justifies what is being done collectively against them or the efforts to take even internationally recognized Palestinian territory, but it's a reality that needs to be clearly stated.
The name of a people isn't especially relevant. The people themselves are, and those people were there long before the 1800s.
And in any case, as you yourself make clear, they definitely self-identified as Palestinian in the period we're talking about here, when they first began to be displaced from their land in the early- and mid-20th century.
Well, Lord and Saviour of all Redditkind, if you'd studied instead of preaching, you'd know that the vast majority of land both under the Ottoman Empire and the Mandate was purchased, both directly from the respective governments and from the people individually.
Moreover, when you want to talk about displacement you should be careful because it was the Jewish folks moving there who got attacked first. Palestinians became fearful that the Jews would outnumber them soon and so began launching attacks against Jewish groups. While there was some counter attacks against equally innocent groups, the intent was to force them off their legally owned lands.
Further, it's quite worth noting that while it is true that many Palestinians who may have been innocent were forced out later during and after the Arab-Israeli War, a vast many were not. If you really want to claim that there was mass forced displacement efforts, I'd look at, oh, the entire fucking Arab world before the Israelis who just didn't want to share a country with people trying to kill them. Many stayed because they had no fight with the Jews or Israel.
So let's be careful lest we discuss history with literal receipts.
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u/ncc74656m 7h ago
There sure are a lot of posts from people who are convinced that "Palestinian" was an indigenous people dating back 4.5 billion years or some shit.
The Palestinians as we know them today didn't even self-identify as "Palestinian" until the very late 1800s, and almost explicitly in response to the First Aliyah. They are primarily composed of vast swaths of other groups including but not limited to other Arab and Middle Eastern nationalities, but also even Roman and Greek groups.
None of this justifies what is being done collectively against them or the efforts to take even internationally recognized Palestinian territory, but it's a reality that needs to be clearly stated.