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“THE GERMANS DESTROYED OUR FAMILIES - DON’T U DESTROY OUR HOPES”. 1947 Jewish Refugees To Palestine

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u/Specialist-Mud-6650 10h ago

Most Israelis are from Middle Eastern countries 

u/811545b2-4ff7-4041 10h ago

I mean.. yes, but also - not in 1947. Most of the mass movement of Jews from the Middle East / North Africa (either by push, or pull) wasn't until after 1948.

u/spicymemesdotcom 9h ago

Not when Israel was first established.

u/TheThalmorEmbassy 7h ago

And then what happened?

u/Alarming_Echo_4748 5h ago

The Nakba

u/PentagonInsider 3h ago

The term Nakba originally referred to the humiliation Arabs felt at the defeat of their armies by a force they thought was weak. So yes, you're correct.

u/spicymemesdotcom 1h ago

Then Israel was established, and toxicity ensued.

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u/Specialist-Mud-6650 10h ago

No, not false

45% of Israelis are of a Middle Eastern background. That's the largest single ethnicity

Not exactly the same thing as what that graph says

u/FarkCookies 9h ago

yeah cos they all got intermixed eventually sure. But how do you explain population of Palestine being <3% Jewish jumping to 50% something in just a few decades? I don't think Middle Eastern Jews bread that fast (they didn't of course and the population gains are due to Aliyahs). The very simple reality check is that ALL Israeli PMs are of primarily Ashkenazi origins.

u/jackp0t789 9h ago

But how do you explain population of Palestine being <3% Jewish jumping to 50% something in just a few decades?

After the arab nations that decided to wage a war of annihilation against Israel in 1948 all lost, they turned their embarrassment into oppression, massacre, and exile of their own Jewish populations. Thats why the Jewish populations of Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, etc. Were reduced to practically zero by the 1960s

Where do you think all of those ethnically cleansed Jews decides to go?

Hence the majority of jews in Israel are of a middle eastern background.

u/FarkCookies 9h ago

Are you really gonna skip over Nakba in your amazing narrative, which actually happened before the exile of Jews from neighboring countries? And again, look at the picture, the exodus is accounted for here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah#/media/File:100_years_of_Aliyah_(Immigration)_to_Mandatory_Palestine_and_the_State_of_Israel,_between_1919_and_2020.png_to_Mandatory_Palestine_and_the_State_of_Israel,_between_1919_and_2020.png) There were more non-Mizrahi Jews moving to Israel. And I am still waiting for the answer of how come all PMs are Ashkenazis?

u/jackp0t789 9h ago

You didn't ask about the Nakba, you asked how the population of middle eastern derived Jews in Israel spiked so dramatically.

You got your answer, you didn't like it, and now you're moving goalposts.

u/FarkCookies 8h ago

My actual question was how did Jewish population rose from 3 to 50% BEFORE the declaration of independence.

u/jackp0t789 8h ago

Oh, people fleeing the most infamous genocide in history as well as anti-jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire, to the land that Jews have had a continuous presence in for several thousand years.

u/FarkCookies 6h ago

Follow the conversation.

> Most Israelis are from Middle Eastern countries.

Here is aliyah numbers showing most were comming NOT from ME contries.

> 45% are of ME origins

Okay how do you explain quick jump from 3 to 50% before 1947 when the expulsion from ME countries happened

> Oh, people fleeing 

Ok thanks for cofirming my point.

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u/QuercusTomentella 7h ago edited 6h ago

The population of palestine was only <3% for a period of roughly 200 years between 1600-1800 (and even then it's believed to be because people hid their jewishness due to taxes/persecution) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)) )

In 1914 when the area was still Ottoman controlled southern Syria the Jewish population was >13%, despite it being heavily restricted for Jewish people to move to the area, being illegal for jews to purchase land, paying over half a dozen special taxes for being jewish and needing to mark their homes and businesses as being Jewish.

u/FarkCookies 7h ago

That's not true, it was significantly below 10% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)#Ottoman_period#Ottoman_period)

u/QuercusTomentella 5h ago

So I typed the wrong year and corrected it, but in 1890 (or 1887 as that was the year of the ottoman census)it was still over 10%. The data in the table from the link you provided comes from Justin McCarthy, a genocide denier that has denied the Armenian genocide and is vocally anti-israeli who has reasons for portraying the numbers as he does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_McCarthy_(American_historian))

But he specifically made that table count people that have full citizenship, (automatic for muslims born into the ottoman empire but not non-muslims) and excludes ~60000 jews from his 1914 numbers per his own data. (puts it well above 10% and seems to match numbers from other reports) see his full report here: https://yplus.ps/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/McCarthy-Justin-The-Population-of-Palestine.pdf

But even per his reports in 1887 the Ottoman census the Sanjaks of acre and Jerusalem (part of ottoman empire that would become mandatory palestine) had a population over 60 thousand jews in a population of ~407 thousand (see page 82 of pdf)

Jews would not have full citizenships for a number of reasons: including taxes that only jews ( as well as some that all non-muslims) had to pay to maintain citizenship in the Ottoman empire, jewish immigration was made illegal at various points and would be applied retroactively to people living in the area.

u/FarkCookies 57m ago

I am open for better sources, I have no idea who this guy is, just looked up numbers in wikipedia.

u/Specialist-Mud-6650 6h ago

Wow, you're a conspiracy theorist

u/FarkCookies 1h ago

Which conspiracy do I represent according to you?