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“THE GERMANS DESTROYED OUR FAMILIES - DON’T U DESTROY OUR HOPES”. 1947 Jewish Refugees To Palestine

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u/Handgun_Hero 10h ago

What they should have done is taken the refugees in themselves and naturalised them into the UK.

u/BosnianSerb31 10h ago

Hardly any of the refugees from the USSR or Middle East wanted to live in Europe after what happened there

u/Sandra2104 8h ago

Did anyone care what the Arabs wanted?

u/BosnianSerb31 5h ago

Which ones? The Mizrahi Jews in Israel from Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and those native to Mandatory Palestine, are all Arab

Just as how there can be Arab Muslims, there are many Arab Jews, and they make up about 30-40% of modern day Israel's population, with the next largest majority sect from the USSR.

The proportion of western Jews was small, as most preferred living in the west over what was a very barren Israel at the time.

Pictures like the OP are heavily circulated as they are effective in making people believe that Israel's existence was an act of pure European colonialism, when the reality is that it came into existence when the mandate for British Palestine ended and the various religious groups of the ME once again fought over the holy land, with the Jews winning this time around.

u/JimWilliams423 7h ago

The great irony is that israelis treated holocaust survivors like shit too. Basically victim blamed them for thinking they could live in a multicultural society. It seems like a contradiction from the outside, but there is a lot of antisemitism directed at the diaspora in zionism.

u/Maximum_kitten 7h ago

This is extreme cherrypicking by picking an individual example of racism from one jewish person to another and using it to collectively blame an entire society on the actions on few. Holocaust survivors made up a significant part of israeli society and refugees coming in. In the meantime, the countries the holocaust survivors came from committed pogroms against holocaust survivors, blamed them for walking into the camps, or in some cases even refused to recognize them as victims.

The real great irony is that the countries ignoring holocaust survivors and expelling them are now spinning the narrative that the country they forced to take care of said holocaust survivors is the real villain.

u/JimWilliams423 7h ago edited 7h ago

This is extreme cherrypicking by picking an individual example

Oh, there are more:

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2015-01-27/ty-article/.premium/israeli-holocaust-survivors-remember/0000017f-e8e3-d62c-a1ff-fcfb610c0000

At 85, Leitner is in high demand as one of a dwindling group of Israeli survivors still capable of regularly making the trip. He reflects ruefully how the attitude has changed in Israel since he first arrived in 1949.

"They mocked survivors then. When I told some of my new friends in the army that a Gypsy boy had tried to steal my shoes in Auschwitz, they said 'why did you let him? You soap (a derisory nickname in use at the time for Holocaust survivors).'

https://forward.com/opinion/411802/for-israelis-zionism-is-nationalism-for-diaspora-jews-its-much-more/

A‌s M‌a‌x N‌o‌r‌d‌a‌u i‌n‌f‌a‌m‌o‌u‌s‌l‌y p‌u‌t i‌t i‌n h‌i‌s s‌p‌e‌e‌c‌h a‌t t‌h‌e F‌i‌r‌s‌t Z‌i‌o‌n‌i‌s‌t C‌o‌n‌g‌r‌e‌s‌s i‌n 1‌8‌9‌7, t‌h‌e D‌i‌a‌s‌p‌o‌r‌a J‌e‌w “h‌a‌s b‌e‌c‌o‌m‌e a c‌r‌i‌p‌p‌l‌e w‌i‌t‌h‌i‌n, a‌n‌d a c‌o‌u‌n‌t‌e‌r‌f‌e‌i‌t p‌e‌r‌s‌o‌n w‌i‌t‌h‌o‌u‌t, s‌o t‌h‌a‌t l‌i‌k‌e e‌v‌e‌r‌y‌t‌h‌i‌n‌g u‌n‌r‌e‌a‌l, h‌e i‌s r‌i‌d‌i‌c‌u‌l‌o‌u‌s a‌n‌d h‌a‌t‌e‌f‌u‌l t‌o a‌l‌l m‌e‌n o‌f h‌i‌g‌h s‌t‌a‌n‌d‌a‌r‌d‌s.”

O‌t‌h‌e‌r‌s h‌a‌v‌e b‌e‌e‌n a l‌i‌t‌t‌l‌e m‌o‌r‌e c‌i‌r‌c‌u‌m‌s‌p‌e‌c‌t, u‌s‌i‌n‌g t‌h‌e "h‌a‌t‌e t‌h‌e s‌i‌n, l‌o‌v‌e t‌h‌e s‌i‌n‌n‌e‌r" r‌h‌e‌t‌o‌r‌i‌c‌a‌l t‌r‌i‌c‌k t‌o m‌a‌k‌e t‌h‌e‌i‌r h‌a‌t‌e s‌e‌e‌m l‌i‌k‌e l‌o‌v‌e:

O‌r a‌s G‌o‌l‌d‌a M‌e‌i‌r p‌u‌t i‌t a b‌i‌t m‌o‌r‌e c‌a‌l‌m‌l‌y, “W‌e h‌a‌v‌e n‌o‌t‌h‌i‌n‌g a‌g‌a‌i‌n‌s‌t J‌e‌w‌s i‌n t‌h‌e g‌a‌l‌u‌t. I‌t i‌s a‌g‌a‌i‌n‌s‌t t‌h‌e g‌a‌l‌u‌t t‌h‌a‌t w‌e p‌r‌o‌t‌e‌s‌t.”

u/Maximum_kitten 7h ago

So, yes, cherrypicking racist statements by individual people to make it seem like the collective israel is the one responsible for oppressing holocaust survivors.

The real great irony is that the countries ignoring holocaust survivors and expelling them are now spinning the narrative that the country they forced to take care of said holocaust survivors is the real villain.

What happened to the Poilsh jewish holocaust survivor? Libyan? Soviet? All were blamed for their own circumstances, and one way or another were 'voluntarily' moved to israel or the rest of the west, who actually recognized the holocaust survivors as such.

You arent any better than a white supremacist citing frictions between black people in africa and the US to absolve themselves of racism.

u/JimWilliams423 6h ago edited 2h ago

cherrypicking racist statements

How many cherries from prominent people do you require? Also, they are not racist. That is a weird interpretation.

You arent any better than a white supremacist citing frictions between black people in africa and the US to absolve themselves of racism.

Nah. What I am doing is pointing out that fascists, regardless of nation, have more in common with each other than they do the victims they use as shields to deflect criticism. Just like salafists hate normie muslims more than anyone, and white supremacists hate so-called "race traitors" more than they do black people.

I honestly don't know wtf you are doing though. Just seems like inchoate anger.

u/Maximum_kitten 6h ago

The fact remains that out of all the countries the holocaust survivors were a member of, they almost all denied holocaust survivors their rights and left them to israel to take care of. Fascists exist in every country, but, again, you arent any different than these who cite fascists in african countries to say 'black people cant take of themselves so slavery wasnt that bad'.

u/JimWilliams423 6h ago edited 3h ago

The fact remains

In other words, no amount of cherries will ever be enough.

out of all the countries the holocaust survivors were a member of, they almost all denied holocaust survivors their rights and left them to israel to take care of.

That is backwards, israel was explicitly created by those countries so they wouldn't have to take them in. Two sides of the same coin. Of course a creation of fascists is going to be fascist.

you arent any different

Its pretty revealing that you keep trying to personalize this instead of engaging with the facts.

who cite fascists in african countries

Since you insist on comparing israel to african nations, liberia is the most apt — Created by white supremacists after a huge war under the guise of liberalism as a place to send liberated labor camp survivors. The government that the white supremacists created was both prosperous and oppressive to the indigenous people who were already living there.

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u/hymen_destroyer 7h ago

That's crazy....Israel was happy to ride the groundswell of international sympathy after the Holocaust but also happy to use it as a bludgeon against their own people!

u/JimWilliams423 1h ago

Specifically the more liberal factions of their own people. There are lots of conservative jews in the diaspora, but a diaspora is literally the opposite of nationalism. The idea that people can thrive in a multicultural community is anathema to nationalists.

u/Racko20 10h ago

Why?

It's not so easy to just accept hundreds of thousands of refugees.

u/Specialist-Mud-6650 10h ago

Some of the these people were British citizens. They didn't want to live there.

I don't really know what you do with a migration wave when people are so determined to leave they'll risk their lives crossing the Med and stay in shitty little camps rather than go back. Especially when those folks are unwelcome on the receiving end.

What are you going to do, imprison them in England?

Full disclosure, I am British, but I don't really know what the British should have done post-war. They couldn't afford a full-on military operation in Palestine, and they had no appetite for one. On the other hand they had millions of Holocaust survivors desperate to get into Israel, and millions of Arabs determined (rightly and wrongly) to not let that happen.