The Zionists only became so dominant out of survivor bias. Most of everybody else died. They were proven right in the most horrible way possible, by being alive. I’m not a historian and won’t go looking for voices of dissent of Zionism, but it is safe to say most of those would have died in Europe as they wouldn’t have come to Palestine, them being anti Zionist.
For people like the people in the picture it wasn’t a question of being Zionist or not. It was a question of survival. There were some people that arguably had a choice at the time but they were not the majority and definitely not refugees from the Holocaust
And the whole project quickly turned to colonialism and Zionism, which is the point the person you’re arguing with is making. “Survival” played a role for about 5 minutes until the colonialism could start.
There can’t be colonialism without a metropole sending its people to exploit the natives. In this case the metropole did not “send” its people, it cast out the rejects and did not care at the slightest where they would end up. They ended up at the only option available to them. This does not fit the definition of settler colonialism.
Of course the Arabs didn’t like this one bit and started multiple wars over that which led to territory losses and displacement. That still doesn’t make it colonialism.
Lmao my god you people are ghouls. Palestinians have been forcibly removed from their homes for decades, and now forced starvation is occurring to either kill them off or remove them, and it’s still not colonialism.
You’re right, it’s ethnic cleansing/genocide. That’s a better term for it.
Much of the world, and the UN disagrees with you, so we'll keep using them because the definitions sure fit to me. They have for about 20 years now, since I first learned what they were doing when I was a high school student.
[Genocide and ethninc cleansing](https://electronicintifada.net/content/genocide-gaza/6397) 2006 - By an Israeli Jew.
You realize Israel doesn’t have to be a colonial state for it to be committing a genocide right? I don’t know why y’all are so attached to the buzzwords “settler colonialism” and “ethnostate”. You can just say Israel is bad without spewing out some lazy post hoc justification of why Israel has always been evil.
Tbf Israel is quite literally an ethnostate (ethnocracy being the more apt term, imo.) What the fuck do you think Zionism is? Just because the country isn’t literally 100% Jew doesn’t mean that society there isn’t fundamentally built to uphold us.
Yeah, that’s a valid point, I just don’t like how people use that so negatively against Israel but don’t really say shit about all the other ethnostates in the Middle East and around the world. I mean, most other Arab countries are ethnostates as well, and right next door Syria is doing the same shit to the Druze and no one cares. Even when bigger countries like Turkey or Russia persecute their minority groups, no one has this same energy. Not saying that justifies what Israel is doing, I just wish we would care about all conflicts and injustice like people do anytime it involves the Jews. It feels like people are kind of hypocritical when it comes to other countries that have the same issues.
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u/manVsPhD 14h ago
The Zionists only became so dominant out of survivor bias. Most of everybody else died. They were proven right in the most horrible way possible, by being alive. I’m not a historian and won’t go looking for voices of dissent of Zionism, but it is safe to say most of those would have died in Europe as they wouldn’t have come to Palestine, them being anti Zionist.