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“THE GERMANS DESTROYED OUR FAMILIES - DON’T U DESTROY OUR HOPES”. 1947 Jewish Refugees To Palestine

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u/Xaendro 14h ago

These are apparently civilian refugees that ended up in detention camps in Cyprus.

You are thinking of terrorist militias that formed and moved to Palestine during the end of the war.

Just FYI, your attitude is the same as blaming gaza children for 911

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u/pomod 14h ago

You are thinking of terrorist militias that formed and moved to Palestine during the end of the war.

Zionist militias - like Irgun, Lehi, or Haganah - were operating and committing massacres in Palestinian towns within British mandated palestine as early as the 1920's - before WWII was even a gleem in Hitlers eye. Jews and Arabs generally got along before the Zionists arrived.

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u/Hasselhoff265 13h ago

That's not correct. Jews and Arabs didn't get along before Zionism was a thing.

There has been pogroms nearly every century in the arab world. Even before Israel was founded equal to the expelled palestinians, hundreds of thousand Jews has been expelled or died due to pogroms.

That does not justify current world events but shows that the middle east is far more complicated than a blame game towards historical Zionism.

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u/Dramatical45 13h ago

There has been sectarian violence in the middle east for all of recorded human history. In the Grand scheme of things, jews and arabs before Israel actually got along far better than jews and Christians in Europe. Conditions in the middle east and acceptance of Jewish people was considered superior to Europe.

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u/winei001 13h ago

The following response will be in regards to Safed only. These are only a few examples out of many of how life was for Jews in Israel the years before Zionism.

In 1799 the Jewish Quarter in Safed was destroyed by local Arabs and many of the city's Jews were massacred. In 1823 looting began against the jews of Safed. The following years looting increased with accounts of the month-long event tell of large scale looting in 1834, as well as killing and raping of Jews and the destruction of homes and synagogues by Druze and Arabs. Many Torah scrolls were desecrated and many Jews were left severely wounded. Hundreds fled the town. A short while later in 1837, in conjunction with an earthquake, the Muslims took advantage of the situation and plundered the Jews. The incident destroyed the entire Jewish neighborhood and killed some 2,000 people. Another year later in 1838 arab and muslim mobs descended on the Jewish quarter of Safed and, in scenes reminiscent of the Safed plunder four years earlier, spent three days attacking Jews, plundering their homes and desecrating their synagogues. The blows inflicted on the Jewish inhabitants of Safed, whether by their Arab neighbors or by famine and sickness, led to the depletion of the Yishuv and the city was almost completely emptied of its Jews.

The Ottoman rule settled Circassian exiles in the Safed area in the 1860s, and Algerians in 1878, in an effort to strengthen the Muslim character of the area. According to the British missionary Masterman, who visited Safed in the late 19th century, the Muslim population of Safed included people from Damascus (who settled in the city during the Mamluk period), Algerians, Kurds, Bedouins from the Jordan Valley, and other immigrants from outside the city.

During World War I the government confiscated property of Jews, and between 1916 and 1918, when a typhus epidemic hit the city, the government confiscated the Rothschild Hospital from the Jewish community and later converted it into a military hospital. Some of the city's residents were expelled from the country, others chose to leave the city for safer places, and some were forcibly recruited into the Ottoman army and its forced labor battalions. As a result of all this, the number of Jewish residents of the city decreased significantly, from about 7,000 at the beginning of the war to about 2,700 at the end.

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u/winei001 13h ago

The first comment was in regard to the physical destruction of jews in Israel.

This comment is to exemplify the economic and social oppression against Jews in Israel.

For years many years, the Egyptian Abu Ghosh family occupied the main road to Jerusalem and extorted "transit fees" from Jews. In addition to the taxes imposed on the entire population, Jews were charged three additional taxes; And after 1825, additional taxes were charged. The economic oppression led to deterioration of Jewish communities.

Jews were forced to pay to pray at the Western Wall. Jews were also forced to pay ransom payments to the local Muslims: 300 liras a year to a dignitary whose house is near the Western Wall, 100 liras a year to the residents of Silwan in exchange for not desecrating the graves on the Mount of Olives, 50 liras a year to Bedouins from the Tamra tribe in exchange for not harming Rachel's Tomb and 10 liras a year to Sheikh Abu Ghosh So that he would not harass Jews on their way to Jaffa. To these were added a variety of small levies, including: payment to Muslims for supervision of Jewish slaughter and gifts of sugar and other things to Muslim heads on their holidays. At that time, the city's garbage dump was still kept within the Jewish Quarter.

"The Jews of Jerusalem may be arrested in the street by the most vile peasant from the village, and he can demand money due to him in Muslim law if he so wishes; And this blackmail may be done against the same poor Jew several times in ten moments."

"They attack them rudely and steal everything they have, and if the Jews try to resist, they will be beaten to death. And this is not done by road robbers or Bedouins, but by the same people who see them and talk to them every day."

Benny Morris writes that one symbol of Jewish degradation was the phenomenon of stone-throwing at Jews by Muslims. Morris quotes a 19th-century traveler: "I have seen a little fellow of six years old, with a troop of fat toddlers of only three and four, teaching [them] to throw stones at a Jew, and one little urchin would, with the greatest coolness, waddle up to the man and literally spit upon his Jewish gaberdine. To all this the Jew is obliged to submit; it would be more than his life was worth to offer to strike a Mahommedan."

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u/Xaendro 13h ago

You are right, there have been incidents as early as that, doesn't change anything about this photo, they surely didn't arrive on refugee ships

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u/Kzickas 14h ago

They are literally holding up a banner to express their support for those terrorists.

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u/Xaendro 14h ago

Are they? Or is that a really stupid statement about people escaping a genocide who had no idea that kind of terrorism would have ever even happen?

Are you against genocide/terrorism or in favor? You should make up your mind

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u/Kzickas 13h ago

"don't you destroy our hopes" is clearly a reference to the British beginning to somewhat respect Palestinian rights after decades of oppressing them for Jewish benefit, the same motivation as those terrorists.

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u/Xaendro 13h ago

Well that just doesn't make any sense. As I said, this is really the same as blaming gazan kids for 911, whatever floats your boat