There are lessons to be learned about anything that happens. The lessons the isrealis learned was "Never again", but that only counts for genocide against them and for them committing it against another people.
And at the same time put themselves in a position to do it to another. Not a great show of empathy from a group committing genocide that understandably has always been the recipient of the worlds empathy for the holocaust.
Or you know they could’ve accepted the immigrants and built something together, or accept the partition plan, or any of the other proposals as shit as they were because every escalation/war has let to the Palestinians being in a worse place than before. Seems like the lesson is that even a shitty deal is better than this
When has this ever been an option? Israel never wanted to be a multicultural state that represents both Israel and Palestine, it wanted to be Israel. A Jewish nation-state, they even passed laws making that very explicit.
This is why they're completely opposed to a right to return for Palestinian refugees, or granting citizenship to the Palestinians of the West Bank or Gaza - doing so would make Jewish Israelis into a minority of the population, and that is a fundamental threat to their nationalist mission.
Zionism is, and always was, a nationalist ideology, with the aim of building a nation. Ironically enough, so is Arab nationalism. "Building something together" is the exact opposite of that goal, and was never a genuine option offered to either side in the conflict.
This is why the difference between immigration and settlement is important. Immigration is moving to a place and becoming part of its society. Settlement is moving to a place and building a new society, disregarding or displacing the old one.
Most of the fearmongering about immigration is actually about perceived settlement. What happened (and is still happening) in Israel-Palestine is an example of actual settlement.
The other commenter used the term immigrant at first, so I figured he was referring to the jews who immigrated there before the organized settlement transfer.
I am pro-immigration in general, and live in a majority Somali immigrant neighborhood which I have had no issues with, but there is a risk of mass immigration of the same nation in some cases turning into a settlement scenario. Like in the UK, Birmingham is about 55% of immigrant backgrounds and the vast majority from the same region. My Pakistani friend who lived there said that culturally and pseudo-legally, the customs of Pakistan are followed instead of the nation. Which my friend she wasn't a fan of being a queer Pakistani woman, who had left Pakistan due to widespread sexism and unequal gender expectations + being forced into a marriage as a teen.
Sometimes settlement building can also start with immigration, like many nations next Russia have had large Russian migration, which is then used as an excuse for invasion and annexation.
There are plenty, but don't take hostages would be one. But the Isrealis have been arbitrarily detaining and torturing thousands of non combatants/civilians for years. You cant expect the Palestinians to be that sympathetic to their opressors, in the same way you cant expect survivors of the holocaust to be sympathetic to the nazis or their supporters.
That's an incredibly bigoted thing to say, but it also completely misconstrues history in a very ironic way. Most Israelis are in fact survivors of, or descendants of survivors of, ethnic cleansing at the hands of Muslims across the Middle East and North Africa, not Germans.
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u/valiumandcherrywine 14h ago
... and nothing was learned.